Southern Decadence protest leader arrested for masturbating in a park

[Moonbeam]

As I mention with some small frequency, folk are driven to express what they have learned to condemn because they hate themselves. Religious people have no faith. They believe they are not forgiven, that there is still evil in them, and they hate that evil which is them. So they send themselves to hell by getting caught doing what they preach against.

Atheists, because they don't have the complex of evil just skip the hypocrisy and fuck themselves directly, is some other creative way. For example, they hate the fact that religion says they are condemned. Folk who hate themselves don't like to be told they're defective. So they jump for joy when the religious are shown to be hypocrites instead of feeling pity.

And it's all such a waste because we have all been forgiven because there is no such thing as evil. There is only the false belief it exists which makes it exist in effect.

There is only love when there is no self hate.

 

[Jaskalas]

Interesting theory....do you have a shred of credible evidence or do you just make up shit as you go along?

For you to think them innocent you would have to work under the assumption that there is no harm in repressing normal and healthy behavior. That alone, I think, cannot be a tenable position.

No, I've no studies in hand. Why would that be necessary? Useful of course, but not required.

Also, how does one make up for the fact that our society as a whole is affected? One bare tit on televison had this country in an uproar. Even if one wasn't raised in a repressive family, societal stigma still holds.

Any study on particular individuals would be watered down by that. It may have to be examined on a per country basis.

 

[xj0hnx]

Storms told deputies he was having lunch at the park when he decided to urinate using a bottle instead of the restroom, the report said.

So is anyone even a little worried they may be jumping to an unsubstantiated conclusion?

 

[feralkid]

So is anyone even a little worried they may be jumping to an unsubstantiated conclusion?

The woman noted that he was masturbating and quickly ushered her children out of her car.


She told a second woman, who walked to the van and also spotted the man masturbating, the report said. The second witness told deputies that the driver saw her and tried to conceal the zipper area of his pants with his hand.



How is this "unsubstantiated?"

 

[classy]

.. and hypocritical.

You mean this man is hypocritical. And the by the way there is plenty of room for more hypocrits, such as yourself..................

 

[werepossum]

So is anyone even a little worried they may be jumping to an unsubstantiated conclusion?

It's possible, but it's hardly a unique story. We had a local street preacher, Dan Martino, who dragged a freakin' huge cross everywhere he went. Basically he preached (among other things, abortion being his biggest bugaboo) that homosexuality was a sin and homosexuals should be forcibly cured or killed. He managed to get enough backing to go lobby Washington against homosexual tolerance. Then - you guessed it - he was caught having homosexual sex in a public place. He then had an epiphany and went from lobbying for a far right agenda to lobbying for a far left agenda. I believe he finally died of an AIDS-related illness if memory serves (which it may not, he left Chattanooga and therefore my notice.) Bottom line is that this story plays out far too often where those who argue the most vociferously against something turn out to be struggling with it in themselves, so while it's possible this is a fine man being framed, that's not where the smart money is sitting.

Besides, I instinctively hate men with megaphones. Only cheerleaders with nice (and nicely displayed) legs get a pass for yelling at people through megaphones - and I avoid even those.

 

[zsdersw]

Do you have a credible study that shows a proportionally higher incident rate of deviant sexual behavior among Catholics? Or is this something you imagine to be true?

The original assertion was that religious repression of normal and healthy sexual activity/behavior leads to a higher than normal amount of sick people.

Here is one study I found: http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/12...ity,child,sexual,abuse,risk,factor,assessment

I didn't pay for the PDF, though.

According to this site: http://www.childhelp.org/pages/statistics/

90% of child sexual abuse victims know the perpetrator in some way; 68% are abused by family members."

 

[xj0hnx]

The woman noted that he was masturbating and quickly ushered her children out of her car.


She told a second woman, who walked to the van and also spotted the man masturbating, the report said. The second witness told deputies that the driver saw her and tried to conceal the zipper area of his pants with his hand.



How is this "unsubstantiated?"

Some soccer mom that would be offended by an ass in a shampoo commercial see's some man with his dick in his hands, possibly pissing in a bottle, and says he was masturbating ....I'm not convinced. I can't count how many times I've seen people over-react to things they didn't understand. I don't give a shit about the guy one way or the other, I just think it's pretty messed up to get all excited about something that may not even be what they claim. Seems to me their should be a bottle of pee somewhere.

 

[zsdersw]

You mean this man is hypocritical. And the by the way there is plenty of room for more hypocrits, such as yourself..................

Pay attention. The reply of mine that you quoted was in addition to what DSF said: "Sick people are sick...can't say I'm surprised that some happen to be religious."

Adding ".. and hypocritical." to that is true, because this protest leader is an example.

Please feel free to point out how I am hypocritical; how I do not practice what I "preach". It'll be fun.

 

[classy]

Pay attention. The reply of mine that you quoted was in addition to what DSF said: "Sick people are sick...can't say I'm surprised that some happen to be religious."

Adding ".. and hypocritical." to that is true, because this protest leader is an example.

Please feel free to point out how I am hypocritical; how I do not practice what I "preach". It'll be fun.

Every person alive, including you, while you'll deny it, has hypocrisy in their life. People like to reserve the word hypocrit for some religous person, when in reality it applys to everyone. I bet in the last 24 hours alone you said, did, or gave some suggestion to someone, that you either lied about doing, have done, or wouldn't do yourself.

 

[classy]

And by the way, he may have been jerking off. I would expect a pastor to drive to a near by stall or restaurant to go to the bathroom, especially if he can see women and children are around.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Religious repression of normal and healthy sexual behavior most likely leads to a higher than normal percentage of sick people.

Interesting theory....do you have a shred of credible evidence or do you just make up shit as you go along?

For you to think them innocent you would have to work under the assumption that there is no harm in repressing normal and healthy behavior. That alone, I think, cannot be a tenable position.

First of all...I don't think they're innocent or guilty...and secondly, you made the assertion that repressing "normal and healthy behavior" is harmful and all I'm doing is asking you to do here is to back that up with facts.

No, I've no studies in hand. Why would that be necessary? Useful of course, but not required.

Well..on one hand, it might help you prove your point...and then on the other, lack of credible evidence proves mine. How's that for starters?

Also, how does one make up for the fact that our society as a whole is affected? One bare tit on televison had this country in an uproar. Even if one wasn't raised in a repressive family, societal stigma still holds.
Any study on particular individuals would be watered down by that. It may have to be examined on a per country basis.

Like it or not...morality is relative to culture.

 

[zsdersw]

Every person alive, including you, while you'll deny it, has hypocrisy in their life. People like to reserve the word hypocrit for some religous person, when in reality it applys to everyone. I bet in the last 24 hours alone you said, did, or gave some suggestion to someone, that you either lied about doing, have done, or wouldn't do yourself.

Ah, I see.. you're referring to a more general sense of hypocrisy. I don't know about that, but I do know that I have never criticized or protested other people's sexual activities and then do those activities myself. I have never preached against sex... I have, instead, been a reliable advocate of it.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

The original assertion was that religious repression of normal and healthy sexual activity/behavior leads to a higher than normal amount of sick people.

Here is one study I found: http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/12...ity,child,sexual,abuse,risk,factor,assessment

I didn't pay for the PDF, though.

According to this site: http://www.childhelp.org/pages/statistics/

That's it? How long did it take to find this? For starters, 397 people seems like a damn small statistical sample to make such broad and sweeping generalizations. Too bad the study costs money as I would love to read it.

Isn't it surprising that the 'evidence' is so scarce?

 

[zsdersw]

That's it? How long did it take to find this? For starters, 397 people seems like a damn small statistical sample to make such broad and sweeping generalizations. Too bad the study costs money as I would love to read it.

Not long. I didn't say it was the final word on the issue, just a study.

Isn't it surprising that the 'evidence' is so scarce?

Not at all. Evidence that advances an unpopular notion is very often scarce.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Jesus freaks need release too, just try to steer clear of the playgrounds when you get the devil's urge..

 

[Nebor]

Oh man, I saw this guy and his group on Bourbon Street last Labor Day. It was my first time in New Orleans, and I had no idea Southern Decadence was going on. It was a really good time though. Then I saw the giant cross moving down the street, and heard the war of megaphones start. They have signs that say "God hates fags" and "Sinners will burn in hell" and things like that. They also have a guy with a megaphone that screams about repenting, sinners, fags, etc. The gays had them surrounded by people with their own megaphones drowning them out though.

When they passed me, they called me a drunkard sinner (due to my 90 oz beverage.) They called the girl I was with a filthy whore (she responded with, "... you don't know me.")

The amount of abuse they take walking down Bourbon St is unreal though. People spit on them, throw drinks on them, hurl glass bottles at their heads off the balconies, kick them, punch them, etc. Those people must be really dedicated to their hatred to soak up all that abuse.

 

[PokerGuy]

How is this "unsubstantiated?"

Oh, so you in your world just because someone says something it means it must be true? Great, in that case, you're an idiot. Hey wait, that is true, maybe you're on to something!

 

[zinfamous]

So, when it is OK to just go ahead and say with absolute certainty, that any outspoken ultra fundy christian who has taken it upon themselves to lead any group of people in mass homophobic movements is, by default, a depraved sexual predator far more dangerous than any homosexual individual?

It's like we've been batting a thousand with these people for a decade, now, and we haven't wised-up?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

The amount of abuse they take walking down Bourbon St is unreal though. People spit on them, throw drinks on them, hurl glass bottles at their heads off the balconies, kick them, punch them, etc. Those people must be really dedicated to their hatred to soak up all that abuse.

I wouldn't call it dedicated to hatred...this appears to be more about inciting "persecution" so that they may gain God's blessing (aka Westboro mentality)...people are strange.

“You’re blessed when your commitment to God provokes persecution. The persecution drives you even deeper into God’s kingdom.” Matthew 5:10 (MSG)

 

[feralkid]

Some soccer mom that would be offended by an ass in a shampoo commercial see's some man with his dick in his hands, possibly pissing in a bottle, and says he was masturbating ....I'm not convinced. I can't count how many times I've seen people over-react to things they didn't understand. I don't give a shit about the guy one way or the other, I just think it's pretty messed up to get all excited about something that may not even be what they claim. Seems to me their should be a bottle of pee somewhere.

Oh, by all means all the evidence should be brought to light in this case.

I just think you may be dismissing TWO eyewitness accounts rather flippantly.

 

[feralkid]

Oh, so you in your world just because someone says something it means it must be true? Great, in that case, you're an idiot. Hey wait, that is true, maybe you're on to something!

Never said it's true...just that I wouldn't glibly declare it "unsubstantiated".

His piss in a bottle defense is not any more "substantiated" than the testimony of the two eyewitnesses.

 

[werepossum]

Never said it's true...just that I wouldn't glibly declare it "unsubstantiated".

His piss in a bottle defense is not any more "substantiated" than the testimony of the two eyewitnesses.

At the very least he should have the sense not to urinate into a bottle in a public park. I know some parks have terrible problems with gay men using the restrooms for sex, but this is a man whose career revolves around yelling at gay men through a megaphone. He'd see that as a major opportunity (one way or another.)

And since no one else has said it: Rev. Grant Storms is obviously his porn name.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

And since no one else has said it: Rev. Grant Storms is obviously his porn name.

Excellent!

This guy sounds like a WBC type. They're loopy by most peoples definition.

 

[SilthDraeth]

Some soccer mom that would be offended by an ass in a shampoo commercial see's some man with his dick in his hands, possibly pissing in a bottle, and says he was masturbating ....I'm not convinced. I can't count how many times I've seen people over-react to things they didn't understand. I don't give a shit about the guy one way or the other, I just think it's pretty messed up to get all excited about something that may not even be what they claim. Seems to me their should be a bottle of pee somewhere.

Maybe the news story left out that cops indeed found a bottle of piss in the van. Or maybe, there was no bottle because he got emberassed when caught trying to pee in the bottle. Also, maybe, the park guy that detained him until police came, and he didn't piss himself, so he didn't have to go so bad that he needed to use the bottle.

OR he was really masturbating in a park well watching children.