South Africa to amend constitution to allow land expropriation

[UglyCasanova]

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-africa-45026931

South Africa will push ahead with plans to amend the constitution to allow land expropriation without compensation, its president says.

In a recorded address, President Cyril Ramaphosa said the ruling ANC will "finalise a proposed amendment" allowing the move.

He said the reform was "of critical importance" to the economy.

Recent months have seen growing anger about the slow pace of land reform in South Africa.

The country's white minority is believed to have a disproportionate hold over land, with a few thousand white commercial farmers possessing the most fertile lands.

However, critics fear expropriation could lead to land grabs, as happened in neighbouring Zimbabwe.


I don’t see this ending well. It didn’t with Zimbabwe and I don’t see how this would be any different. I feel little sympathy for the large plantation owners in SA but this could simply wreck the farms.

Lighter note, here’s the president firing an AK47 in the air in a crowded stadium. Brilliant.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JeanKriek/status/1024402894832001024

 

[KMFJD]

if they are going to do that they also have to expropriate the zulu communal lands

 

[dawp]

https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-africa-45026931

South Africa will push ahead with plans to amend the constitution to allow land expropriation without compensation, its president says.

In a recorded address, President Cyril Ramaphosa said the ruling ANC will "finalise a proposed amendment" allowing the move.

He said the reform was "of critical importance" to the economy.

Recent months have seen growing anger about the slow pace of land reform in South Africa.

The country's white minority is believed to have a disproportionate hold over land, with a few thousand white commercial farmers possessing the most fertile lands.

However, critics fear expropriation could lead to land grabs, as happened in neighbouring Zimbabwe.


I don’t see this ending well. It didn’t with Zimbabwe and I don’t see how this would be any different. I feel little sympathy for the large plantation owners in SA but this could simply wreck the farms.

Lighter note, here’s the president firing an AK47 in the air in a crowded stadium. Brilliant.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JeanKriek/status/1024402894832001024

who do you think occupied the land before europeans showed up and grabbed it.?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Heh, I can already see it now... revolt against the land owners (whether right or wrong, doesn't really matter to this point). Burn the plantation down.... no more food.

Takes the term "don't bite the hand that feeds you" to a whole new level.

 

[KMFJD]

who do you think occupied the land before europeans showed up and grabbed it.?

The Khoisan?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

who do you think occupied the land before europeans showed up and grabbed it.?

The Khoisan?

Edit: Goddammit I need to read the whole thread before replying...

@KMFJD clearly had more free time this morning than I!

 

[UglyCasanova]

Heh, I can already see it now... revolt against the land owners (whether right or wrong, doesn't really matter to this point). Burn the plantation down.... no more food.

Takes the term "don't bite the hand that feeds you" to a whole new level.

Which is kinda what happened in Zimbabwe. They started begging the white former landowners to come back because they lacked the expertise to run it. I get the moral justification even if I disagree with how it’s implemented, but just because something feels good short term doesn’t mean you won’t regret it later.

 

[realibrad]

Which is kinda what happened in Zimbabwe. They started begging the white former landowners to come back because they lacked the expertise to run it. I get the moral justification even if I disagree with how it’s implemented, but just because something feels good short term doesn’t mean you won’t regret it later.

The story of pegging.

 

[KMFJD]

The Khoisan?

Edit: Goddammit I need to read the whole thread before replying...

@KMFJD clearly had more free time this morning than I!

To be honest it really depends on which part of South Africa you are talking about

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

The story of pegging.

What kind of pegging are you doing where you're regretting it later? hehe

 

[realibrad]

What kind of pegging are you doing where you're regretting it later? hehe

 

[MomentsofSanity]

To be honest it really depends on which part of South Africa you are talking about

Nothing else matters when I’m being a dick!

 

[Zorba]

While I can understand the moral justification, this just seems like a really bad idea. It would be much better to just slowly raise the taxes on them until they had to sell off pieces.

The same justification could be used in Hawaii, most of the United States, Mexico and South America. At some point, you sort of need to accept that what happened in the past happened. You should use the current injustices to justify change, not things that happened generations ago.

 

[Brainonska511]

The same justification could be used in Hawaii, most of the United States, Mexico and South America. At some point, you sort of need to accept that what happened in the past happened. You should use the current injustices to justify change, not things that happened generations ago.

I think the big issue that tends to get glossed over a lot is that many of the current injustices have their roots firmly in the injustices of the past. It's hard to address the injustices of the present while telling the people who have historically had injustices perpetrated against them to get over the past.

 

[Zorba]

I think the big issue that tends to get glossed over a lot is that many of the current injustices have their roots firmly in the injustices of the past. It's hard to address the injustices of the present while telling the people who have historically had injustices perpetrated against them to get over the past.

Well what I mean is saying "These people stole our land 200 years ago, so now we are going to steal it back" seems like it would likely cause a lot of issues. I think it would be better to say "There is too much concentration of valuable farm land in the hands of the few. We are going to increase taxes on land owners that own over x km^2 of land." Or force a breakup of the land that is sold at auction.

I don't mean people should ignore the past, or how things became the way they are, but I don't think directly using injustices from the distant past to justify actions today is good policy.

 

[KMFJD]

They've already tried to give farmland to people in SA, all it lead to was the people selling that land back to the farmers because they don't know what they are doing and the government is too incompetent to help them like they promised, this is just going to lead to more power and money in the hands of the elites...

 

[UglyCasanova]

Welp it’s begun

https://www.news.com.au/finance/eco...s/news-story/8937f899bd3f131bfc4ffb648ea5c53b

Trump tweeted on it

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1032454567152246785

Good Reddit thread on it

https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/9931g3/megathread_land_seizures_in_south_africa/

https://www.cato.org/blog/trump-should-warn-south-africa-land-expropriations

 

[Vic]

Yaknow, the world's biggest problem with post-colonialism is how to give back stolen land 100+ years after the fact.
The OP's biggest problem with it is his belief that black people are inferior.

 

[brycejones]

Taking land without appropriate compensation is just wrong. However this is yet another thread where the OP is showing his concern for white people while ignoring issues impacting minorities in the US.

Or put another way:

The OP is more concerned about white people halfway around the world than with the ability of minorities to vote in Georgia.

 

[UglyCasanova]

The OP's biggest problem with it is his belief that black people are inferior.

You people can be vile but this is ridiculous. Fvck you for even insinuating, personally I think that should be banworthy.

 

[emperus]

Taking land without appropriate compensation is just wrong. However this is yet another thread where the OP is showing his concern for white people while ignoring issues impacting minorities in the US.

Or put another way:

The OP is more concerned about white people halfway around the world than with the ability of minorities to vote in Georgia.

I don't believe the current white land owners paid appropriate compensation when they took the land... just saying.

 

[brycejones]

You people can be vile but this is ridiculous. Fvck you for even insinuating, personally I think that should be banworthy.

You post 4 kinds of threads:

1. White people allegedly being taken advantage of in some way
2. concerns about LGBT people
3. Christianity allegedly being taken advantage of in some way
4. concerns when women don't put with men's bull shit any longer

From this we can only conclude that you favor whites over others, have a problem with the LGBT community, believe in Christian superiority, and want women back in the kitchen. So if this isn't the real you we have no way of knowing that from what you post here.

 

[brycejones]

I don't believe the current white land owners paid appropriate compensation when they took the land... just saying.

I would agree with that. But what made the transition from minority to majority rule possible without cataclysmic violence was assurances that whites wouldn't have their property taken from them wholesale.

I also have no faith in the current government to be able to ensure the success of those they give the land to or even to do it fairly.

 

[Vic]

You people can be vile but this is ridiculous. Fvck you for even insinuating, personally I think that should be banworthy.

Yeah, it's just coincidental that their 'lack of expertise' is tied to their skin color, right?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Welp it’s begun

https://www.news.com.au/finance/eco...s/news-story/8937f899bd3f131bfc4ffb648ea5c53b

Trump tweeted on it

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1032454567152246785

Good Reddit thread on it

https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/9931g3/megathread_land_seizures_in_south_africa/

https://www.cato.org/blog/trump-should-warn-south-africa-land-expropriations

Sorry OP, i have it on good authority from someone that this isn't happening, won't happen, can't happen and South Africa is just a big bowl of happy cherries for everyone.