Yeah, it's just coincidental that their 'lack of expertise' is tied to their skin color, right?
People make up shit to try and put in your mouth because you lack the courage to articulate your arguments. We already discussed this in another thread. If you're going to force me to guess your arguments, then I'm going to infer them from your words and as I see fit.Read up. Or don’t, it’s way easier to just lob insults, post "concerned", and make up shit to try and put in other people’s mouths.
https://qz.com/africa/1218309/south...s-zimbabwe-backtracks-on-seizing-white-farms/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_reform_in_Zimbabwe#Aftermath_and_outcomes
Yeah, it's just coincidental that their 'lack of expertise' is tied to their skin color, right?
South Africa is not Zimbabwe. And I'm all for reclaiming all property stolen by colonization.
I can agree with all this. Except that the white separatist types never frame it this way.I would think a lack of expertise would be related to folks not having direct working or educational experience in a domain, which is independent of their skin color. You could take a black person who was a Nobel laureate in astrophysics and that still won't mean he'll be great at working the land of a white farmer if you confiscate the later's land. You could take a white farmer and give him the particle accelerator you confiscate from the black astrophysicist and he's not going to discover a new type of quark particle.
Since the most relevant previous example of this action was Zimbabwe doing the same basic thing, but not lining up blacks with experience in farming to hand over the confiscated land to and having the production of the farm plummet it's a reasonable question to ask if SA will repeat the same practice.
Why do we care? It's just another one of those shithole countries, anyway.
Because nothing in Africa stay localized. One shithole spreads to other shitholes as people flee the original shithole. South Africa was at least a shithole that could feed its people. Now it won't be and either the food has to come from somewhere else or the people have to go somewhere else. Cue up yet another refugee crisis in 3...2...1...go!
South Africa has a history of colonial conquest and dispossession that pushed the black majority into crowded urban townships and rural reserves.
The 1913 Native Lands Act made it illegal for Africans to acquire land outside of these reserves, which became known as “Homelands”. While blacks account for 80 percent of South Africa’s population, the homelands comprise just 13 percent of the land. They are largely controlled by tribal authorities rather ordinary residents and farmers.
Since the end of white minority rule in 1994, the ANC has followed a “willing-seller, willing-buyer” model whereby the government buys white-owned farms for redistribution to blacks. Progress has been slow.
Based on a survey of title deeds, the government says blacks own 4 percent of private land, and only 8 percent of farmland has been transferred to black hands, well short of a target of 30 percent that was meant to have been reached in 2014.
AgriSA, a farm industry group, says 27 percent of farmland is in black hands. Its figure includes state land and plots tilled by black subsistence farmers in the old homelands.
Ben Cousins, a professor in Agrarian Studies at the University of the Western Cape, has noted there are no estimates on private transactions involving black farmers who have purchased land themselves, so the data is incomplete.
There has been a parallel process of “land claims” by individuals or communities dispossessed under white rule, but most of the settlements have involved cash paid by the state instead of people reoccupying their land, and 87 percent of the claims have been urban.
The ANC government pledged to transfer 30 percent of commercial farmland to blacks during its first decade in power. Very little land, however, has been returned and the target date for redistribution has been pushed back another 10 years.
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Jerry Maropa(ph), who's leading the claim against Fisser's farm, says land reform in South Africa is going too slowly. He points out that he first laid claim to Fisser's property in 1998.
Mr. JERRY MAROPA (Laid Claim to Fisser's Property): We have negotiated, but we cannot negotiate forever.
BEAUBIEN: Maropa says Abraham Melamo(ph), his grandfather, was driven from Fisser's farm during World War II.
Mr. MAROPA: It was not sold. It was not sold. They were forced to move out. My grandfather did not sign even a single document to say he was compensated.
BEAUBIEN: Fisser is fighting the expropriation order in court and remains on his property. South Africa's land reform program, until the Fisser case, operated under a willing-buyer, willing-seller principle. If the farmer was willing to sell, the government would buy the land and give it to blacks. But it's been a slow, clumsy process. Despite its flaws, Maropa says land restitution is extremely important to blacks in southern Africa.
Mr. MAROPA: There's a lot of anger, embedded anger within African people for being moved out of their lands.
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4993861
A government audit shows whites own 72 percent of South Africa's land and black South Africans, who make up 80 percent of the population, own just 4 percent. Since the end of apartheid in 1994, the government has tried various land reform policies, including a willing seller, willing buyer program. Critics of that system say the government has been too willing to buy land at inflated prices, and that the government is hoarding the land instead of transferring it to would-be farmers. President Cyril Ramaphosa says a quarter century into democracy, it's time to address the country's original sin.
https://www.npr.org/2018/04/20/6044...-efforts-to-get-more-land-into-black-ownershi
Why would a major component of their economy be at risk for going away?Even if it ultimately kills the economy - ultimately making it a Venezuela because a major component of their economy (and food) are at risk of going away?
Why would you be able to claim it?Also, your land was stolen by colonization. Can I come claim it?
My position on this issue is that the obvious solution is integration. That way requires no violence and no more stealing.Even if it ultimately kills the economy - ultimately making it a Venezuela because a major component of their economy (and food) are at risk of going away?
Also, your land was stolen by colonization. Can I come claim it?
100% death tax, when people die, break up their land holdings and auction them off. Fair "reset" for everyone.
I don't believe the current white land owners paid appropriate compensation when they took the land... just saying.
Boy, it sure is interesting when an anti-immigration politician suddenly does a 180 by saying that a people who don't even speak the language should be able "integrate seamlessly."Trump decided to tweet about it. The Rand weaken against the Dollar.
It's a white nationalist talking point. That Trump learned about watching Tucker Carlson on the Fake News channel https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...rmers-violence
Trump decided to tweet about it. The Rand weaken against the Dollar.
It's a white nationalist talking point. That Trump learned about watching Tucker Carlson on the Fake News channel https://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...rmers-violence
