SOTU being delayed indefinitely?

[IronWing]

Why are you so angry at congress? I though it was their job to decide on funding and they did so, even the senate agreed. Thats hundreds of people that already negotiated things and in the end one person is holding everything up. That trump is throwing a fit over wall money now, 2 years after his party had control of everything and didnt bother to get it done, seems extra odd. Honestly besides trump being a child I think if you want to blame anyone else here its the senate that could easily make this veto proof if they wanted to. They obviously didnt want to give trump wall money but are now holding the country hostage along side trump.

The shutdown can be ended at any point but for Mitch McConnell and his craven Republican buddies in the Senate. The votes to override a veto are there as has been demnstrated by the previous vote on the CR. Mitch refuses to bring the CR to a floor vote.

 

[K1052]

Looks like the admin went a step further and leaked congressional plans to charter a commercial aircraft for the trip. This is an incredible abuse of power and if somebody did this to Trump the SecretService would be up their ass forever.

 

[HomerJS]

Looks like the admin went a step further and leaked congressional plans to charter a commercial aircraft for the trip. This is an incredible abuse of power and if somebody did this to Trump the SecretService would be up their ass forever.

His people clearaly don't care if Trump puts the lives of a Democratic delegation at additional risk.

 

[zinfamous]

Of course it was revenge. Trump and Nancy are both being petty and foolish.

I thought we weren't supposed to negotiate with terrorists? How is Nancy being petty and foolish?

 

[zinfamous]

Why are you so angry at congress? I though it was their job to decide on funding and they did so, even the senate agreed. Thats hundreds of people that already negotiated things and in the end one person is holding everything up. That trump is throwing a fit over wall money now, 2 years after his party had control of everything and didnt bother to get it done, seems extra odd. Honestly besides trump being a child I think if you want to blame anyone else here its the senate that could easily make this veto proof if they wanted to. They obviously didnt want to give trump wall money but are now holding the country hostage along side trump.

In this specific case, I am not angry at "all of Congress" really, it's just Mitch McConnell. The point is that if everyone were punished to the degree that they are here punishing 800k American workers, for no reason, they wouldn't do this shit again. Period. That's the point.

Pretty much all of Congress doesn't want this. Only Trump wants it, and only Mitch has ceded his power to prevent Trump from doing it, and preventing Congress from doing its job. If Congress were harshly punished, little treasonous shitstains like Mitch wouldn't be possible. That's the real goal. No way his caucus would stand for this nonsense if his behavior punished them, and their families, just as it is punishing 800k people--most of whom clearly don't want a bullshit wall, anyway.

Yes, the Senate would override a Trump Veto, which was what was going to happen if necessary. McConnell simply won't let it go to a vote, because he knows that will happen when Trump vetoes it. I do believe, just as the House did with Boehner, they could remove McConnell from his seat with enough incentive, and put in someone that actually gives a shit about this country.

 

[JEDIYoda]

What would he say? "The state of the Union is off, we hope to have it back on as soon as the Democrats bend to my will."

Actually he would say "thu stait ov thu Unun iz ov, weh howp tu ave it bak az zone az thu Demokrautz ben tu mi well."

 

[kage69]

His people clearaly don't care if Trump puts the lives of a Democratic delegation at additional risk.

It's not a Trump thing. It's a republican thing, see Valerie Plame. Just a new twist on an old theme.

 

[kage69]

In this specific case, I am not angry at "all of Congress" really, it's just Mitch McConnell. The point is that if everyone were punished to the degree that they are here punishing 800k American workers, for no reason, they wouldn't do this shit again. Period. That's the point.

Pretty much all of Congress doesn't want this. Only Trump wants it, and only Mitch has ceded his power to prevent Trump from doing it, and preventing Congress from doing its job. If Congress were harshly punished, little treasonous shitstains like Mitch wouldn't be possible. That's the real goal. No way his caucus would stand for this nonsense if his behavior punished them, and their families, just as it is punishing 800k people--most of whom clearly don't want a bullshit wall, anyway.

Yes, the Senate would override a Trump Veto, which was what was going to happen if necessary. McConnell simply won't let it go to a vote, because he knows that will happen when Trump vetoes it. I do believe, just as the House did with Boehner, they could remove McConnell from his seat with enough incentive, and put in someone that actually gives a shit about this country.

Turtle may be the only person I'd like to see behind bars more than Trump. Just for what he has enabled.

 

[Homerboy]

And now Lindsey flew to Turkey yesterday?

 

[K1052]

Trump sent a letter to Pelosi today stating that he will give his address in the House on the 29th. There is only the minor problem of that being impossible until the House passes a joint resolution inviting him, which it has not. I think the house sergeant at arms and Capitol Police can physically bar him from the chamber if need be.

 

[Homerboy]

Trump sent a letter to Pelosi today stating that he will give his address in the House on the 29th. There is only the minor problem of that being impossible until the House passes a joint resolution inviting him, which it has not. I think the house sergeant at arms and Capitol Police can physically bar him from the chamber if need be.

They can, and it would be glorious.

 

[Indus]

If only President Diaper Turd cared about Americans getting their paychecks as much as his speech on TV..

but alas I digress!

 

[IronWing]

Pelosi had set herself up for a black eye but Trump just rescued her by making this a clear contest over separation of powers. Pelosi has to be laughing out loud.

 

[IronWing]

Also, I guess the shutdown is good through the 29th now?

 

[HomerJS]

Does the Sargent at Arms report to the speaker?

 

[K1052]

Does the Sargent at Arms report to the speaker?

Yes

 

[HomerJS]

Yes

Trump is such an arrogant fuck I can see him showing up at the Capital. Police would bar him from the building.

Nancy to Trump: "You're not no the invite list motherfucker."

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Does the Sargent at Arms report to the speaker?

Absolutely.

Trump contemplates criminal trespass.

No President has the Constitutional or legal authority to enter without her authority.

Not only that but the Chief of the Capitol Police is charged with protecting Congress and can order the DC police show up in force in riot gear if required.

This is their legal obligation and charge, to keep those unwelcome out, including a President. No lawful order can be given which challenges that. All the Secret Security can do is put themselves between them and Trump to restrain and protect him. No federal officer can be ordered to break the law and commit an unlawful act under penalty of imprisonment and in the case of the military up to the death penalty.

I look forward to the spectacle if the man who would be king tries, assuming Nancy doesn't fold. If she does then she's on the shit list.

 

[K1052]

I look forward to the spectacle if the man who would be king tries, assuming Nancy doesn't fold. If she does then she's on the shit list.

I for sure could see Trump misjudging this and getting his fat dumb ass arrested. I would not bet one cent on Pelosi backing down if he tries a stunt.

 

[HomerJS]

Nancy should fill the well of the House with furloughed government workers and Dems can give their response from there.

Another idea, hold the Democratic response from a food bank for these workers.

Trump can go to one of his rallies with his paid trained seals.

 

[Blackjack200]

I look forward to the spectacle if the man who would be king tries, assuming Nancy doesn't fold. If she does then she's on the shit list.

I want this to be like that episode of House of Cards.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I for sure could see Trump misjudging this and getting his fat dumb ass arrested. I would not bet one cent on Pelosi backing down if he tries a stunt.

I hope not. As Trump is on Congressional grounds he can be placed in the Congressional jail with the Secret Service making sure he is safe from physical harm, but he's gone beyond any Constitutional protections once he's cross the threshold. This is not a judical issue for the DOJ to rule on. The DOJ can take it to the courts, but their jurisdiction may not extend to this.

I'm not sure how long Trump can be held, I don't think anyone can say, but he can be held if not charged, but after that the House is in charge of the conditions of release.

Probably a few days in the pokey would be enough to make the point, but I'd rather say a week without trappings and special treatment, prison food for him.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Trump sent a letter to Pelosi today stating that he will give his address in the House on the 29th. There is only the minor problem of that being impossible until the House passes a joint resolution inviting him, which it has not. I think the house sergeant at arms and Capitol Police can physically bar him from the chamber if need be.

They can, and it would be glorious.

Yes

Appears to be un-tested but true, this could be epic but regrettable. I know if I were a future Republican Speaker of the House I'd use this power.

https://www.quora.com/Can-the-Sergeant-at-Arms-remove-the-POTUS-from-the-congress-chamber

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Nancy should fill the well of the House with furloughed government workers and Dems can give their response from there.

Another idea, hold the Democratic response from a food bank for these workers.

Trump can go to one of his rallies with his paid trained seals.

No. He gets in he wins by proving himself superior to Congress. No matter who else you have there Trump wins.

 

[K1052]

I hope not. As Trump is on Congressional grounds he can be placed in the Congressional jail with the Secret Service making sure he is safe from physical harm, but he's gone beyond any Constitutional protections once he's cross the threshold. This is not a judical issue for the DOJ to rule on. The DOJ can take it to the courts, but their jurisdiction may not extend to this.

I'm not sure how long Trump can be held, I don't think anyone can say, but he can be held if not charged, but after that the House is in charge of the conditions of release.

Probably a few days in the pokey would be enough to make the point, but I'd rather say a week without trappings and special treatment, prison food for him.

Yeah, he has to get a hearing and that would probably happen within 24 hours. He can chill in the clink for a bit though.