Sorry, no American flag at the office

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Double Trouble

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Double Trouble
In fact, I do have employees who have American flags at their desks.

How many of those are 5x3-feet in size?

At least 1.

Instead of putting it on their desk, what if one of your employees decided to hang a 5x3-foot flag in a shared room/office?

What's wrong with having a symbol of the country you live in? I have no problems with the US flag in any room, shared or not.

Do you only allow American flags?

No, some folks have other flags as well, and that's fine too. However, if someone hangs a flag that someone else finds offensive, it would get reviewed on a case by case basis. It comes down to reasonability, and the notion that the US flag would be offensive to someone in the US is not reasonable to me.

Hanging a 3'x5' Flag on a wall reminds me of a Teenagers room or a Election Campaign office. I can see why another employee sharing office space would complain. Like I said in my previous post I bet it's not what it stands for but how it looks.

 

[GeezerMan]

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: tweaker2
What McLucas failed to recognize is that the other people in her office had every right to take offense at her "raising the flag" without considering their feelings about it first.

Personally, I wouldn't mind. But how would McLucas feel if someone had displayed a nice big Rebel flag on the wall behind their desk, or a Black Fist, Swastika (Buddhist or otherwise), or a flag of their Home State, Civic Organization, religious denomination, home Country, etc?

It's not so much that just because it so happens to be the Stars and Stripes she proudly displayed that no one should take offense. It has nothing to do with being obligingly patriotic. That's just not her call because other people's feelings are just as important as hers.

I weep for you. I honestly am saddened by the brainwashing that you've undergone by the politically correct movement, such that this post is a result. I hope that you receive the help that you deserve to correct your thought processes.

The OP's article is probably bullshit (questionable news source), but it doesn't matter, the article brings to light the affect that political correctness has had in this country, shown in the responses of several posters. Truly sad how far we've gone that people would actually be insulted by the sight of the US flag. If you want to be able to burn the flag (which I support), then the door swings both ways, you have to shut your trap and grin and bear it when someone else wants to display it.

I wouldn't call it a questionable news source. I saw it myself on that same CBS affiliate station's local news broadcast here in the DFW area. They are either number one or two in our market here of probably 6 million people. Sure, it could be a mistake, but not likely.

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: tweaker2
What McLucas failed to recognize is that the other people in her office had every right to take offense at her "raising the flag" without considering their feelings about it first.

Personally, I wouldn't mind. But how would McLucas feel if someone had displayed a nice big Rebel flag on the wall behind their desk, or a Black Fist, Swastika (Buddhist or otherwise), or a flag of their Home State, Civic Organization, religious denomination, home Country, etc?

It's not so much that just because it so happens to be the Stars and Stripes she proudly displayed that no one should take offense. It has nothing to do with being obligingly patriotic. That's just not her call because other people's feelings are just as important as hers.

I weep for you. I honestly am saddened by the brainwashing that you've undergone by the politically correct movement, such that this post is a result. I hope that you receive the help that you deserve to correct your thought processes.

The OP's article is probably bullshit (questionable news source), but it doesn't matter, the article brings to light the affect that political correctness has had in this country, shown in the responses of several posters. Truly sad how far we've gone that people would actually be insulted by the sight of the US flag. If you want to be able to burn the flag (which I support), then the door swings both ways, you have to shut your trap and grin and bear it when someone else wants to display it.

All conservatives are baby eating ghouls. Oh, wait, that's bullshit, but it just goes to show how scummy the conservatives really are that people could make such allegations about them. Being that scummy, they probably really do eat babies.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I wasn't allowed to display my American flag underwear either, I mean WTH...

 

[racolvin]

Originally posted by: tweaker2
What McLucas failed to recognize is that the other people in her office had every right to take offense at her "raising the flag" without considering their feelings about it first.

Personally, I wouldn't mind. But how would McLucas feel if someone had displayed a nice big Rebel flag on the wall behind their desk, or a Black Fist, Swastika (Buddhist or otherwise), or a flag of their Home State, Civic Organization, religious denomination, home Country, etc?

It's not so much that just because it so happens to be the Stars and Stripes she proudly displayed that no one should take offense. It has nothing to do with being obligingly patriotic. That's just not her call because other people's feelings are just as important as hers.

I'm sorry but that's complete crap. Whether someone's "feelings" are hurt are completely irrelevant. As long as that persons RIGHTS are not violated, their feelings are their own.

The right to free speech/expression is guaranteed. By definition that means SOMEONE will be offended by it. Sadly for them there is no "right" that promises someone will never be offended, making it ridiculous to try to accommodate every "feeling" out there.

Now I'm fine with the idea that such a large flag disrupts an indoor office environment just because its distracting, so the management might ask her to take it down and replace it with something not so huge. If that had been their reasoning, then great. But just because someone ran to the boss and said "I'm offended by this" is BS. The manager should have said "Deal with being offended, there's nothing illegal or against company policy about it"

Sadly management has no spine about that sort of thing anymore, all hail Political Correctness

 

[MotF Bane]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: Triumph

Originally posted by: tweaker2
What McLucas failed to recognize is that the other people in her office had every right to take offense at her "raising the flag" without considering their feelings about it first.

Personally, I wouldn't mind. But how would McLucas feel if someone had displayed a nice big Rebel flag on the wall behind their desk, or a Black Fist, Swastika (Buddhist or otherwise), or a flag of their Home State, Civic Organization, religious denomination, home Country, etc?

It's not so much that just because it so happens to be the Stars and Stripes she proudly displayed that no one should take offense. It has nothing to do with being obligingly patriotic. That's just not her call because other people's feelings are just as important as hers.

I weep for you. I honestly am saddened by the brainwashing that you've undergone by the politically correct movement, such that this post is a result. I hope that you receive the help that you deserve to correct your thought processes.

The OP's article is probably bullshit (questionable news source), but it doesn't matter, the article brings to light the affect that political correctness has had in this country, shown in the responses of several posters. Truly sad how far we've gone that people would actually be insulted by the sight of the US flag. If you want to be able to burn the flag (which I support), then the door swings both ways, you have to shut your trap and grin and bear it when someone else wants to display it.

All conservatives are baby eating ghouls. Oh, wait, that's bullshit, but it just goes to show how scummy the conservatives really are that people could make such allegations about them. Being that scummy, they probably really do eat babies.

Om nom nom fresh baby.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: racolvin

Originally posted by: tweaker2
What McLucas failed to recognize is that the other people in her office had every right to take offense at her "raising the flag" without considering their feelings about it first.

Personally, I wouldn't mind. But how would McLucas feel if someone had displayed a nice big Rebel flag on the wall behind their desk, or a Black Fist, Swastika (Buddhist or otherwise), or a flag of their Home State, Civic Organization, religious denomination, home Country, etc?

It's not so much that just because it so happens to be the Stars and Stripes she proudly displayed that no one should take offense. It has nothing to do with being obligingly patriotic. That's just not her call because other people's feelings are just as important as hers.

I'm sorry but that's complete crap. Whether someone's "feelings" are hurt are completely irrelevant. As long as that persons RIGHTS are not violated, their feelings are their own.

The right to free speech/expression is guaranteed. By definition that means SOMEONE will be offended by it. Sadly for them there is no "right" that promises someone will never be offended, making it ridiculous to try to accommodate every "feeling" out there.

Now I'm fine with the idea that such a large flag disrupts an indoor office environment just because its distracting, so the management might ask her to take it down and replace it with something not so huge. If that had been their reasoning, then great. But just because someone ran to the boss and said "I'm offended by this" is BS. The manager should have said "Deal with being offended, there's nothing illegal or against company policy about it"

Sadly management has no spine about that sort of thing anymore, all hail Political Correctness

Actually the article didn't state that the person was offended by what the flag stands for, it could very well be that such a large flag was offensive as in it might disrupt the office decor where as a smaller flag would have been perfectly fine.

 

[racolvin]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Actually the article didn't state that the person was offended by what the flag stands for, it could very well be that such a large flag was offensive as in it might disrupt the office decor where as a smaller flag would have been perfectly fine.

Actually it did ...

"When McLucas came to work Friday, her boss told her another supervisor had found her flag offensive. "I was just totally speechless. I was like, 'You're kidding me,'" McLucas said."

I'm still on board with the idea that such a large flag was visually disruptive but the whole "offensive" thing is another issue entirely.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: racolvin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Actually the article didn't state that the person was offended by what the flag stands for, it could very well be that such a large flag was offensive as in it might disrupt the office decor where as a smaller flag would have been perfectly fine.

Actually it did ...

"When McLucas came to work Friday, her boss told her another supervisor had found her flag offensive. "I was just totally speechless. I was like, 'You're kidding me,'" McLucas said."

I'm still on board with the idea that such a large flag was visually disruptive but the whole "offensive" thing is another issue entirely.

Where does that say the other Sup found what it stood for offensive? It could have been that it totally disrupted the decor of the office and that the other Sup found that offensive.

 

[Rainsford]

Am I the only person who finds this story just a little too convenient for people trying to make some anti-PC point? I mean, if you asked me to come up with a story tailor made for Bill O'Reilly to scream about on his show this evening, I could hardly do better than this. "I was just showing my patriotism and an immigrant with dark skin got mad at me!" You really have to want it to not think that story sounds a little fishy, especially since we're only getting one side of it.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: racolvin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Actually the article didn't state that the person was offended by what the flag stands for, it could very well be that such a large flag was offensive as in it might disrupt the office decor where as a smaller flag would have been perfectly fine.

Actually it did ...

"When McLucas came to work Friday, her boss told her another supervisor had found her flag offensive. "I was just totally speechless. I was like, 'You're kidding me,'" McLucas said."

I'm still on board with the idea that such a large flag was visually disruptive but the whole "offensive" thing is another issue entirely.

Where does that say the other Sup found what it stood for offensive? It could have been that it totally disrupted the decor of the office and that the other Sup found that offensive.

Or McLucas could have said "Why don't you go back to Africa, this here is America, darkie" and then put up the flag to emphasize her point. The thing is...we don't know what happened, and it's such an odd story as presented that I have a hard time taking it at face value.

 

[racolvin]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: racolvin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Actually the article didn't state that the person was offended by what the flag stands for, it could very well be that such a large flag was offensive as in it might disrupt the office decor where as a smaller flag would have been perfectly fine.

Actually it did ...

"When McLucas came to work Friday, her boss told her another supervisor had found her flag offensive. "I was just totally speechless. I was like, 'You're kidding me,'" McLucas said."

I'm still on board with the idea that such a large flag was visually disruptive but the whole "offensive" thing is another issue entirely.

Where does that say the other Sup found what it stood for offensive? It could have been that it totally disrupted the decor of the office and that the other Sup found that offensive.

The article doesn't say WHY the other supervisor found it offensive, it merely quotes McLucas saying that she was told another supervisor found it offensive.

Really doesn't matter WHY he found it offensive does it? At least that's my point - there is no right to never be offended. He's free to feel offended but that's not a violation of any rights and nobody is required by law to remove anything he finds offensive.

 

[GoPackGo]

well the hospital should take down the flag outside as well...as it is offensive to the supervisor and others who find the american flag offensive.

the problem with the pc crap is when one is told:

"all it takes is one person to be offended"

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: racolvin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Actually the article didn't state that the person was offended by what the flag stands for, it could very well be that such a large flag was offensive as in it might disrupt the office decor where as a smaller flag would have been perfectly fine.

Actually it did ...

"When McLucas came to work Friday, her boss told her another supervisor had found her flag offensive. "I was just totally speechless. I was like, 'You're kidding me,'" McLucas said."

I'm still on board with the idea that such a large flag was visually disruptive but the whole "offensive" thing is another issue entirely.

Where does that say the other Sup found what it stood for offensive? It could have been that it totally disrupted the decor of the office and that the other Sup found that offensive.

What you stand for is offending me. Please delete your posts.

 

[Toasthead]

Originally posted by: babylon5
Politically Correctness gone wild

This is just stupidity.

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: Kadarin
If you are in the US and are offended by what the American flag represents, I'm also of the opinion that you should get the fuck out and move to Pakistan or North Korea or somewhere like that. However, 3'x5' is a bit large.

Fuck, yeah!

Where do they get off deciding what items employees can hang in their own offices?

I would say they make me puke, had I not used my intestines as a rope to hoist a flag made of my own skin.

There is no way anyone can tell me what to do on their private property!

That's not what our nation has fought and sacrificed for!

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: racolvin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Actually the article didn't state that the person was offended by what the flag stands for, it could very well be that such a large flag was offensive as in it might disrupt the office decor where as a smaller flag would have been perfectly fine.

Actually it did ...

"When McLucas came to work Friday, her boss told her another supervisor had found her flag offensive. "I was just totally speechless. I was like, 'You're kidding me,'" McLucas said."

I'm still on board with the idea that such a large flag was visually disruptive but the whole "offensive" thing is another issue entirely.

Where does that say the other Sup found what it stood for offensive? It could have been that it totally disrupted the decor of the office and that the other Sup found that offensive.

Or McLucas could have said "Why don't you go back to Africa, this here is America, darkie" and then put up the flag to emphasize her point. The thing is...we don't know what happened, and it's such an odd story as presented that I have a hard time taking it at face value.

As long as you are bringing up "could have's" it could have been the offended supervisor felt that they couldn't compete with another supervisor whose family had all been in the military, including a daughter medic medic currently in Iraq, so the supervisor complained.

 

[mrCide]

Dunno bout you guys, but if some retard put up a huge flag in my office I'd take it down. Not for being offensive, but for being tacky and overzealous. The office or workplace is not your place to spill out your patriotism. Keep what you want on your desk but don't presume everyone else will like or enjoy what you do to the whole office.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: tweaker2
What McLucas failed to recognize is that the other people in her office had every right to take offense at her "raising the flag" without considering their feelings about it first.

Personally, I wouldn't mind. But how would McLucas feel if someone had displayed a nice big Rebel flag on the wall behind their desk, or a Black Fist, Swastika (Buddhist or otherwise), or a flag of their Home State, Civic Organization, religious denomination, home Country, etc?

It's not so much that just because it so happens to be the Stars and Stripes she proudly displayed that no one should take offense. It has nothing to do with being obligingly patriotic. That's just not her call because other people's feelings are just as important as hers.

You aren't seriously comparing the U.S. flag to a black fist, swastika, etc are you? Has this how far liberal hate of America has come?

Pretty much, it's not cool to like America right now. Hell even our President doesn't like America and continually apologizes on our behalf for shit that doesn't need an apology.
If the Libs had their way, we'll be flying a Rainbow colored flag with the stars replaced by a big "O".
People seem to foget that America's strength was because of it's "melting pot" of cutures and beliefs, Now it is a single item dish and you have no choice but to like it. No longer do minorities add their cultural identity as part of the American identity, they try to plant their identity as the one and only identity that Americans should have.


I did hear on the radio, that 1 man is standing outside the hospital with a flag in protest. I wonder how long it will take for others to show up.

 

[soulcougher73]

Originally posted by: tweaker2
What McLucas failed to recognize is that the other people in her office had every right to take offense at her "raising the flag" without considering their feelings about it first.

Personally, I wouldn't mind. But how would McLucas feel if someone had displayed a nice big Rebel flag on the wall behind their desk, or a Black Fist, Swastika (Buddhist or otherwise), or a flag of their Home State, Civic Organization, religious denomination, home Country, etc?

It's not so much that just because it so happens to be the Stars and Stripes she proudly displayed that no one should take offense. It has nothing to do with being obligingly patriotic. That's just not her call because other people's feelings are just as important as hers.

Its a sad day when people are offended by flying the nations flag in said nation. The USA is so fucked with people of this mentality.

 

[lupi]

Should make phokus, jp, and crew happy.

 

[cwjerome]

Originally posted by: mrCide
Dunno bout you guys, but if some retard put up a huge flag in my office I'd take it down. Not for being offensive, but for being tacky and overzealous. The office or workplace is not your place to spill out your patriotism. Keep what you want on your desk but don't presume everyone else will like or enjoy what you do to the whole office.

I would generally agree, bad form. However, I believe she put it up just for Memorial Day and certain temporary expressions can be completely acceptable, especially in this case of a national holiday. 3x5 is a little large though...

 

[hiromizu]

A small desk flag would have been fine and I wouldn't have said anything but 3'x5' is REEEALLY asking for it.

 

[Thump553]

Originally posted by: ironwing
Given that other stories on the page above are "N. Texas Couple Finds Jesus In A Cheeto" and "Holy Hotcakes! Virgin Mary In A Pancake" I think we might want to wait until we hear the rest of the story before nuking the hospital from orbit.

Amazing the amount of self-righteous outrage such a dubious piece of "reporting" generates.

 

[ZeGermans]

Patriotism leads to nationalism, which is the most evil force in the history of civilization. The belief that you're morally superior in your actions, no matter how horrid, because you're of country A instead of B.

Thus patriotism is hardly an admirable quality.