Sorry, no American flag at the office

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: theflyingpig

Originally posted by: eskimospy

I'm glad to see that you are so dense as to think that a dislike of patriotism and militancy is foolish. Only a fool would think that someone must like the symbol of where they live.

Everyone knows this. It cannot be denied.

You are once again, a fool, eskimospy. Your desperate attempts to disprove my posts have only served to highlight your own foolishness. I laugh at you. Display your dunce cap proudly. I won't take offense. I promise.

Desperate attempts to disprove your posts? All I did was call you stupid and make fun of the dumb way you write and end your posts.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: GeezerMan
I'm almost speechless on this.
This is exactly why political correctness is a sham. You don?t like the American flag? Maybe you should join the Taliban
I think I will call the hospital on this one.
Kindred Hospital Healthcare. 502.596.7300.


Link

Supervisor Asks Woman To Take Down American Flag
MANSFIELD (CBS 11 News) Is it okay to show your patriotism at the office?


For one Arlington woman, the answer was "no" after she hung an American flag in her office just before the Memorial Day weekend.

Debbie McLucas is one of four hospital supervisors at Kindred Hospital in Mansfield. Last week, she hung a three-by-five foot American flag in the office she shares with the other supervisors.

When McLucas came to work Friday, her boss told her another supervisor had found her flag offensive. "I was just totally speechless. I was like, 'You're kidding me,'" McLucas said.

McLucas' husband and sons are former military men. Her daughter is currently serving in Iraq as a combat medic.

Stifling a cry, McLucas said, "I just wonder if all those young men and women over there are really doing this for nothing."

McLucas said the supervisor who complained has been in the United States for 14 years and is formerly from Africa. McLucas said the supervisor took down Debbie's flag herself.

"The flag and the pole had been placed on the floor," McLucas said. But McLucas also said hospital higher ups had told her some patients' families and visitors had also complained.

"I was told it wouldn't matter if it was only one person," she said. "It would have to come down."

McLucas said hospital bosses told her as far as patriotism was concerned, the flag flying outside the hospital building would have to suffice.

Kindred Hospital Corporate Headquarters are located in Kentucky. They have yet to make a final decision on the matter. They have not returned our phone calls for comment.

The Kindred Hospital Corporation was chosen as Fortune's most admired for 2009. McLucas hopes they'll back her patriotism.

"I find it very frightening because if I can't display my flag, what other freedoms will I lose before all is said and done," McLucas asked

3 foot by 5 foot is a little big, two stick flags with a "Remember our Veterans" display on her desk would have been better. Otherwise, "Ow wow, Debbie can't hang her big old flag at work!" too bad.

 

[I Saw OJ]

She should have told her boss she isnt taking it down. Period.

 

[Kadarin]

If you are in the US and are offended by what the American flag represents, I'm also of the opinion that you should get the fuck out and move to Pakistan or North Korea or somewhere like that. However, 3'x5' is a bit large.

 

[jpeyton]

The hospital is a private business; they make the rules and call the shots. If they don't want workers displaying their own flags at work, so be it. If you don't like their rules, find another job.

The hospital already has an American flag flying outside, so it's not like they're anti-American.

 

[her209]

McLucas said the supervisor who complained has been in the United States for 14 years and is formerly from Africa. McLucas said the supervisor took down Debbie's flag herself.

"The flag and the pole had been placed on the floor," McLucas said. But McLucas also said hospital higher ups had told her some patients' families and visitors had also complained.

Terrible wording. Is the article saying McLucas' fellow supervisor took the flag down and put on the floor which then caused additional people to complain OR were additional people complaining which was another reason why McLucas' fellow supervisor took down the flag?

 

[teclis1023]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
The hospital is a private business; they make the rules and call the shots. If they don't want workers displaying their own flags at work, so be it. If you don't like their rules, find another job.

The hospital already has an American flag flying outside, so it's not like they're anti-American.

This.

With the added caveat that, like those above me, I believe that if you live in America, you probably should really take some steps to make sure that you aren't offended by the American flag. But that's just pure common sense.

 

[guyver01]

Originally posted by: Kadarin
If you are in the US and are offended by what the American flag represents, I'm also of the opinion that you should get the fuck out and move to Pakistan or North Korea or somewhere like that. However, 3'x5' is a bit large.

agree

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: tweaker2
What McLucas failed to recognize is that the other people in her office had every right to take offense at her "raising the flag" without considering their feelings about it first.

Personally, I wouldn't mind. But how would McLucas feel if someone had displayed a nice big Rebel flag on the wall behind their desk, or a Black Fist, Swastika (Buddhist or otherwise), or a flag of their Home State, Civic Organization, religious denomination, home Country, etc?

It's not so much that just because it so happens to be the Stars and Stripes she proudly displayed that no one should take offense. It has nothing to do with being obligingly patriotic. That's just not her call because other people's feelings are just as important as hers.

You aren't seriously comparing the U.S. flag to a black fist, swastika, etc are you? Has this how far the conservatives hatred of America has come?

 

[rchiu]

Well we really don't know the context of the complain. 3x5 foot is actually quite big depending on the size of her office. The problem may not have been her displaying the flag, it could've been how it looked in the office.

But either way, the supervisor and the hospital handled it poorly. They could've suggested to use a smaller flag in her own area. And if they seriously find it offensive for someone to disply US flag in the US, I I agree they really got some issue.

 

[manowar821]

Originally posted by: Kadarin
If you are in the US and are offended by what the American flag represents, I'm also of the opinion that you should get the fuck out and move to Pakistan or North Korea or somewhere like that. However, 3'x5' is a bit large.

Make me? :laugh:

 

[Double Trouble]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: Double Trouble
I don't know what the whole story is (we're only getting one side of it here), but if it is as described, the person complaining about the flag should be fired, and any superior who ordered the woman to get rid of the flag because of some whiners should also be fired.

You think someone should be fired for complaining about a flag?

Really?

Yes. There are many many qualified candidates out there, I'm sure you can find someone good who's not a whiner to the point of complaining about the presence of an American flag on memorial day. Odds are, if they complain about something like that, they are troublemakers in other ways as well.

In fact, I do have employees who have American flags at their desks. If someone were to come to me to complain about that, I'd make a mental note to make sure their performance evaluations would reflect their poor attitude and eventually run them out of the job.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Double Trouble
In fact, I do have employees who have American flags at their desks.

How many of those are 5x3-feet in size?

Instead of putting it on their desk, what if one of your employees decided to hang a 5x3-foot flag in a shared room/office?

Do you only allow American flags?

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
What were these people thinking????

I agree, what was she thinking by hanging a three-by-five foot ANYTHING in a shared office. Wear a fucking flag pin on your shirt next time, no one will be "offended" military mom. This stinks of BS.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: KK
I bet the complaining supervisor voted for obama.

to eat on your (s)troll back out of here.

 

[jpeyton]

Of course it stinks of bullshit. Unfortunately, it looks like the OP and other bleeding heart nationalists jumped on the outrage bandwagon before thinking.

Offices have rules, like any place of business. Just because I like the American flag doesn't mean I can hang up a poster-sized copy wherever I want on private property.

What is with all the people in this thread disrespecting the hospital's freedom to limit the display of personal decorations within their place of business?

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: aphex

Originally posted by: KK
I bet the complaining supervisor voted for obama.

Troll.

He may be a troll.. But I'd give it a 90% chance he's correct.

2 Trolls.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: aphex

Originally posted by: KK
I bet the complaining supervisor voted for obama.

Troll.

He may be a troll.. But I'd give it a 90% chance he's correct.

And that has exactly what to do with the topic troll #2? This "story" is full of fail.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: tweaker2
What McLucas failed to recognize is that the other people in her office had every right to take offense at her "raising the flag" without considering their feelings about it first.

Personally, I wouldn't mind. But how would McLucas feel if someone had displayed a nice big Rebel flag on the wall behind their desk, or a Black Fist, Swastika (Buddhist or otherwise), or a flag of their Home State, Civic Organization, religious denomination, home Country, etc?

It's not so much that just because it so happens to be the Stars and Stripes she proudly displayed that no one should take offense. It has nothing to do with being obligingly patriotic. That's just not her call because other people's feelings are just as important as hers.

wtf, this is America, what kind of douche takes offense at the US flag in the US? If I'm offended by the color of your car, should you return it for one of a different color? Afterall, my feelings in this matter are as important as yours.

 

[Lifted]

I wonder if anyone there hangs decorations around xmas or any other holidays.

I do think the problem was the size of the flag. In a small office, that would drive me nuts if it was up there for any long period of time. But if it was only for a few days and the person hanging it had a son or daughter in Iraq, I'd keep my mouth shut about it.

The lady was inconsiderate hanging such a large flag.
The tattletale was inconsiderate considering the circumstances of the woman who hung it and that it was only for a few days at most.
They are actually perfect for each other and I hope they're stuck working together for a very long time.

 

[heyheybooboo]

It's okay .... the flag was Made in China.

 

[Triumph]

Originally posted by: tweaker2
What McLucas failed to recognize is that the other people in her office had every right to take offense at her "raising the flag" without considering their feelings about it first.

Personally, I wouldn't mind. But how would McLucas feel if someone had displayed a nice big Rebel flag on the wall behind their desk, or a Black Fist, Swastika (Buddhist or otherwise), or a flag of their Home State, Civic Organization, religious denomination, home Country, etc?

It's not so much that just because it so happens to be the Stars and Stripes she proudly displayed that no one should take offense. It has nothing to do with being obligingly patriotic. That's just not her call because other people's feelings are just as important as hers.

I weep for you. I honestly am saddened by the brainwashing that you've undergone by the politically correct movement, such that this post is a result. I hope that you receive the help that you deserve to correct your thought processes.

The OP's article is probably bullshit (questionable news source), but it doesn't matter, the article brings to light the affect that political correctness has had in this country, shown in the responses of several posters. Truly sad how far we've gone that people would actually be insulted by the sight of the US flag. If you want to be able to burn the flag (which I support), then the door swings both ways, you have to shut your trap and grin and bear it when someone else wants to display it.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Lifted
I wonder if anyone there hangs decorations around xmas or any other holidays.

I do think the problem was the size of the flag. In a small office, that would drive me nuts if it was up there for any long period of time. But if it was only for a few days and the person hanging it had a son or daughter in Iraq, I'd keep my mouth shut about it.

The lady was inconsiderate hanging such a large flag.
The tattletale was inconsiderate considering the circumstances of the woman who hung it and that it was only for a few days at most.
They are actually perfect for each other and I hope they're stuck working together for a very long time.

Definitely this... :thumbsup:

 

[Red Dawn]

I wonder if the Hospital or her coworkers would have a problem with her putting one of those small American Flags on her desk. I'm betting they wouldn't. On the other hand hanging a 3'x5' Flag that's mainly use for an outdoor display in a shared office without the consent of the others using that office or the Supervisors is probably what the problem is, not what the flag represents.

 

[Double Trouble]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: Double Trouble
In fact, I do have employees who have American flags at their desks.

How many of those are 5x3-feet in size?

At least 1.

Instead of putting it on their desk, what if one of your employees decided to hang a 5x3-foot flag in a shared room/office?

What's wrong with having a symbol of the country you live in? I have no problems with the US flag in any room, shared or not.

Do you only allow American flags?

No, some folks have other flags as well, and that's fine too. However, if someone hangs a flag that someone else finds offensive, it would get reviewed on a case by case basis. It comes down to reasonability, and the notion that the US flag would be offensive to someone in the US is not reasonable to me.