Sorry, I have to go rant about the war.

Titan

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I just have to blow off some steam, because when stupidity becomes overtly prevalent all around me, I just have to vent before I explode. And I have a huge steam valve, so please forgive all the words. I have tried to stick to facts to keep it short.

I am sick and fed-up with the ridiculous stupidity that people against the war in Iraq continue to demonstrate. It's everywhere, this constant regurgitated rhetoric, all based on theory, emotion, and confusion. It's driving me nuts. These people don't know how to interpret simple fact, it's too horrifying to them so they have to translate what they hear in their heads so it fits into a personal moral mold. Stop it, this is not healthy. Put down the coffe, go have a beer and face reality. Let me address each misconception one at a time.

"Isn't the one we're looking for Usama Bin Laden?" or "I want to see UBL brought in, not Saddam Hussein" are along the lines of my first beef. Forget Bin Laden, he's one pixel in the whole friggin display. Apparently when Bush declared "War on terrorism" some people heard "just Bin Laden" as if he is the sole container of the horrible ideal we know as terrorism. As if once we get this one guy, all terrorism stops, or there is no other terror monger than Al Qaeda. Did you catch the news today, we got a terrorist, a big one who helped plan 9/11, and his name wasn't Bin Laden.

That's right, a war on terrorism. Those of you that are engineers know what a daunting task that is. If you're boss asked you to put an end to terrorism, you wouldn't believe it. That's like putting an end to hunger, or death. I mean, realistically, that's like garunteeing that you have eliminated all computer crashes for every computer platform and operating system. End terrorism in every nation for and by every person.

But we're trying to do it. Good ole' American gusto. And it's about time, we have all known that terrorism was real before 9/11 and the most difficult risk to deal with. This kind of defensive initiative is the next level, and we needed to be there for a long time, that's your Athlon64 of the defense world.

Saddam hussein is a no-brainer on this one, folks!
"I don't think Saddam is a good person, but..."

Stop it right there. No buts. This man kills babies. I am not lying to you, it is a fact. Saddam kills babies. Fact #2, he has violated 18, count them, 18 UN resolutions, and until recently has had 4 years of shceming time after he kicked out the UN inspectors in '98. Fact #3, we know, for certain, that he has stockpiles of botulin, small pox, vx gas, and mustard gas rockets that he has not accounted for since he was demanded to last november by the UN. He's playing games because he knows he can get away with it for a while, he has great experience knowing how slow and incompetent the UN is. Saddam kills babies. Do you want him to kill your babies?

The only possible solution to stopping terrorism is to catch the terrorist(s) before they commit a horrible act. After is not good enough because the potential horror is too rampant. Stopping another 9/11 after it happens doesn't work. This is true for all evil deeds, but i'm sorry, we can lock up the murderer of one after he kills someone a lot easier than we can lock up 5 bombers after they kill thousands. Get Saddam before he kills thousands. I'm not so sure he definitely has contacts to terrorists, it's a legetemate concern, but not based on clear fact. But the facts say Saddam is bad enough on his own.

"inspections are working." No, they aren't. They never have, they never will. Not in Iraq. Open your eyes. I don't want to rant on this one because it is too stupid. Watch the UN on the news just to see how stupid it is.

"we are only attacking Iraq because of their oil." I'm sorry, I didn't hear Bush say oil. I heard terrorism. I don't listen to conspiracy theorists.

And the final thing I have been hearing that steams me is "By killing civillians we will only cause more terrorism against us." This again is theory. Last time I checked we wern't bombing Afganistan and Taliban and Al Quaeda before they attacked us on 9/11. You cannot predict the future. This theory is not universal, it barely holds water in small thimbles. Look at history, the facts, and allow me a counterexample. One of the reasons the Japnese have learned to love America and Baseball (what could be more american than baseball) is how well we treated Japnese POW's during WWII. They took the game back to their coutry, and they love it, and they love America. And we nuked Japan! What sports; we nearly annihilate them, and they take their licks and are a good sport because they know we are humane. The good guys. We are the good guys. Last time I checked we have been friends since.

I have picked the 5 most intelligent (and only real) arguments the anti-war people have been endlessly spewing, and none of it is based on fact. You people who are out there calling Bush "the real terrorist" are not worth giving real thought to because you are so stupid. Do the world a favor and stop taking up space, go to school, learn to listen for a change, learn to think for yourself. It's like the fish idea. Give me a thought and you feed me for a day, teach me to think and you feed me for a lifetime. Go learn how to think, not what to think.

I don't believe war is a great thing. I hate war. But I hate dying without ever looking my killer in the eyes even more. This is reality, and the threat is real. Getting Bin Laden, dropping our gaurd and sending daisies to Iraq are not going to stop terrorism. We have to always be fighting terrorism. This war will never end. This is the next level, and we have to learn to live there. But you real thinkers out there don't stop, we have the power keep america great and prevent injustice. And if there is true reason to defy my country, I will. But for now, we are resonsible, and the world's most powerful country, and if we can't eventually bring the whole world peace, no one can.
 

LordMaul

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Excellent post.


er...
....do I have to read it? I don't know where to start. :p
 

Dark54555

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You left one out:
"The UN can disarm Saddam, just give them more time."

They've been unable to do so since 1991, with over 8 years of active inspection and disarming attempts. It's not about to change.
 

davee

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Originally posted by: tkotitan2
I just have to blow off some steam, because when stupidity becomes overtly prevalent all around me, I just have to vent before I explode. And I have a huge steam valve, so please forgive all the words. I have tried to stick to facts to keep it short.

I am sick and fed-up with the ridiculous stupidity that people against the war in Iraq continue to demonstrate. It's everywhere, this constant regurgitated rhetoric, all based on theory, emotion, and confusion. It's driving me nuts. These people don't know how to interpret simple fact, it's too horrifying to them so they have to translate what they hear in their heads so it fits into a personal moral mold. Stop it, this is not healthy. Put down the coffe, go have a beer and face reality. Let me address each misconception one at a time.

"Isn't the one we're looking for Usama Bin Laden?" or "I want to see UBL brought in, not Saddam Hussein" are along the lines of my first beef. Forget Bin Laden, he's one pixel in the whole friggin display. Apparently when Bush declared "War on terrorism" some people heard "just Bin Laden" as if he is the sole container of the horrible ideal we know as terrorism. As if once we get this one guy, all terrorism stops, or there is no other terror monger than Al Qaeda. Did you catch the news today, we got a terrorist, a big one who helped plan 9/11, and his name wasn't Bin Laden.

That's right, a war on terrorism. Those of you that are engineers know what a daunting task that is. If you're boss asked you to put an end to terrorism, you wouldn't believe it. That's like putting an end to hunger, or death. I mean, realistically, that's like garunteeing that you have eliminated all computer crashes for every computer platform and operating system. End terrorism in every nation for and by every person.

But we're trying to do it. Good ole' American gusto. And it's about time, we have all known that terrorism was real before 9/11 and the most difficult risk to deal with. This kind of defensive initiative is the next level, and we needed to be there for a long time, that's your Athlon64 of the defense world.

Saddam hussein is a no-brainer on this one, folks!
"I don't think Saddam is a good person, but..."

Stop it right there. No buts. This man kills babies. I am not lying to you, it is a fact. Saddam kills babies. Fact #2, he has violated 18, count them, 18 UN resolutions, and until recently has had 4 years of shceming time after he kicked out the UN inspectors in '98. Fact #3, we know, for certain, that he has stockpiles of botulin, small pox, vx gas, and mustard gas rockets that he has not accounted for since he was demanded to last november by the UN. He's playing games because he knows he can get away with it for a while, he has great experience knowing how slow and incompetent the UN is. Saddam kills babies. Do you want him to kill your babies?

The only possible solution to stopping terrorism is to catch the terrorist(s) before they commit a horrible act. After is not good enough because the potential horror is too rampant. Stopping another 9/11 after it happens doesn't work. This is true for all evil deeds, but i'm sorry, we can lock up the murderer of one after he kills someone a lot easier than we can lock up 5 bombers after they kill thousands. Get Saddam before he kills thousands. I'm not so sure he definitely has contacts to terrorists, it's a legetemate concern, but not based on clear fact. But the facts say Saddam is bad enough on his own.

"inspections are working." No, they aren't. They never have, they never will. Not in Iraq. Open your eyes. I don't want to rant on this one because it is too stupid. Watch the UN on the news just to see how stupid it is.

"we are only attacking Iraq because of their oil." I'm sorry, I didn't hear Bush say oil. I heard terrorism. I don't listen to conspiracy theorists.

And the final thing I have been hearing that steams me is "By killing civillians we will only cause more terrorism against us." This again is theory. Last time I checked we wern't bombing Afganistan and Taliban and Al Quaeda before they attacked us on 9/11. You cannot predict the future. This theory is not universal, it barely holds water in small thimbles. Look at history, the facts, and allow me a counterexample. One of the reasons the Japnese have learned to love America and Baseball (what could be more american than baseball) is how well we treated Japnese POW's during WWII. They took the game back to their coutry, and they love it, and they love America. And we nuked Japan! What sports; we nearly annihilate them, and they take their licks and are a good sport because they know we are humane. The good guys. We are the good guys. Last time I checked we have been friends since.

I have picked the 5 most intelligent (and only real) arguments the anti-war people have been endlessly spewing, and none of it is based on fact. You people who are out there calling Bush "the real terrorist" are not worth giving real thought to because you are so stupid. Do the world a favor and stop taking up space, go to school, learn to listen for a change, learn to think for yourself. It's like the fish idea. Give me a thought and you feed me for a day, teach me to think and you feed me for a lifetime. Go learn how to think, not what to think.

I don't believe war is a great thing. I hate war. But I hate dying without ever looking my killer in the eyes even more. This is reality, and the threat is real. Getting Bin Laden, dropping our gaurd and sending daisies to Iraq are not going to stop terrorism. We have to always be fighting terrorism. This war will never end. This is the next level, and we have to learn to live there. But you real thinkers out there don't stop, we have the power keep america great and prevent injustice. And if there is true reason to defy my country, I will. But for now, we are resonsible, and the world's most powerful country, and if we can't eventually bring the whole world peace, no one can.
jesus how will all that fit in the trash can
 

tweakmm

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After reading what you wrote, I just felt it funny to point out the irony in you saying "It's everywhere, this constant regurgitated rhetoric, all based on theory, emotion, and confusion." to highlight what the protesters of the war are doing when most of your post seems to be reguritated rhetoric basted on theory emotion and confusion. AH!!!! SADAM KILLS BABIES!!!! HE SUPPORTS TERRORISTS!! BOMB HIM!!!!
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: tkotitan2
I just have to blow off some steam, because when stupidity becomes overtly prevalent all around me, I just have to vent before I explode. And I have a huge steam valve, so please forgive all the words. I have tried to stick to facts to keep it short.

I am sick and fed-up with the ridiculous stupidity that people against the war in Iraq continue to demonstrate. It's everywhere, this constant regurgitated rhetoric, all based on theory, emotion, and confusion. It's driving me nuts. These people don't know how to interpret simple fact, it's too horrifying to them so they have to translate what they hear in their heads so it fits into a personal moral mold. Stop it, this is not healthy. Put down the coffe, go have a beer and face reality. Let me address each misconception one at a time.

"Isn't the one we're looking for Usama Bin Laden?" or "I want to see UBL brought in, not Saddam Hussein" are along the lines of my first beef. Forget Bin Laden, he's one pixel in the whole friggin display. Apparently when Bush declared "War on terrorism" some people heard "just Bin Laden" as if he is the sole container of the horrible ideal we know as terrorism. As if once we get this one guy, all terrorism stops, or there is no other terror monger than Al Qaeda. Did you catch the news today, we got a terrorist, a big one who helped plan 9/11, and his name wasn't Bin Laden.

That's right, a war on terrorism. Those of you that are engineers know what a daunting task that is. If you're boss asked you to put an end to terrorism, you wouldn't believe it. That's like putting an end to hunger, or death. I mean, realistically, that's like garunteeing that you have eliminated all computer crashes for every computer platform and operating system. End terrorism in every nation for and by every person.

But we're trying to do it. Good ole' American gusto. And it's about time, we have all known that terrorism was real before 9/11 and the most difficult risk to deal with. This kind of defensive initiative is the next level, and we needed to be there for a long time, that's your Athlon64 of the defense world.

Saddam hussein is a no-brainer on this one, folks!
"I don't think Saddam is a good person, but..."

Stop it right there. No buts. This man kills babies. I am not lying to you, it is a fact. Saddam kills babies. Fact #2, he has violated 18, count them, 18 UN resolutions, and until recently has had 4 years of shceming time after he kicked out the UN inspectors in '98. Fact #3, we know, for certain, that he has stockpiles of botulin, small pox, vx gas, and mustard gas rockets that he has not accounted for since he was demanded to last november by the UN. He's playing games because he knows he can get away with it for a while, he has great experience knowing how slow and incompetent the UN is. Saddam kills babies. Do you want him to kill your babies?

The only possible solution to stopping terrorism is to catch the terrorist(s) before they commit a horrible act. After is not good enough because the potential horror is too rampant. Stopping another 9/11 after it happens doesn't work. This is true for all evil deeds, but i'm sorry, we can lock up the murderer of one after he kills someone a lot easier than we can lock up 5 bombers after they kill thousands. Get Saddam before he kills thousands. I'm not so sure he definitely has contacts to terrorists, it's a legetemate concern, but not based on clear fact. But the facts say Saddam is bad enough on his own.

"inspections are working." No, they aren't. They never have, they never will. Not in Iraq. Open your eyes. I don't want to rant on this one because it is too stupid. Watch the UN on the news just to see how stupid it is.

"we are only attacking Iraq because of their oil." I'm sorry, I didn't hear Bush say oil. I heard terrorism. I don't listen to conspiracy theorists.

And the final thing I have been hearing that steams me is "By killing civillians we will only cause more terrorism against us." This again is theory. Last time I checked we wern't bombing Afganistan and Taliban and Al Quaeda before they attacked us on 9/11. You cannot predict the future. This theory is not universal, it barely holds water in small thimbles. Look at history, the facts, and allow me a counterexample. One of the reasons the Japnese have learned to love America and Baseball (what could be more american than baseball) is how well we treated Japnese POW's during WWII. They took the game back to their coutry, and they love it, and they love America. And we nuked Japan! What sports; we nearly annihilate them, and they take their licks and are a good sport because they know we are humane. The good guys. We are the good guys. Last time I checked we have been friends since.

I have picked the 5 most intelligent (and only real) arguments the anti-war people have been endlessly spewing, and none of it is based on fact. You people who are out there calling Bush "the real terrorist" are not worth giving real thought to because you are so stupid. Do the world a favor and stop taking up space, go to school, learn to listen for a change, learn to think for yourself. It's like the fish idea. Give me a thought and you feed me for a day, teach me to think and you feed me for a lifetime. Go learn how to think, not what to think.

I don't believe war is a great thing. I hate war. But I hate dying without ever looking my killer in the eyes even more. This is reality, and the threat is real. Getting Bin Laden, dropping our gaurd and sending daisies to Iraq are not going to stop terrorism. We have to always be fighting terrorism. This war will never end. This is the next level, and we have to learn to live there. But you real thinkers out there don't stop, we have the power keep america great and prevent injustice. And if there is true reason to defy my country, I will. But for now, we are resonsible, and the world's most powerful country, and if we can't eventually bring the whole world peace, no one can.
I'm for disarming Hussien with our* Military and I would like us to be more patient with the Inspectors, not because I believe he will comply, but because I believe he wont and eventually we will be able to get a UN sanctioned Military action against him with the support of the UN (read..funds for the war)

However I haven't a problem with those protesting. The ones that are spewing out nonsense aren't doing thier cause any good because they are just preaching to the Chior.

This war creates great anxiety for me. Because of that I have really studied all I can about this situation and to come up with my POV about it. I've tried not to let my emotions make me some Psuedo Blood and Guts Patriot that seems to have occurred with so many that support the war. If fact it rather pains me to see so many idiots on the same side of this issue as I am.
 

davee

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sorry i live in ireland i know bill clinton and most of his exes thats enough to remember
 

Dark54555

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Originally posted by: davee
sorry i live in ireland i know bill clinton and most of his exes thats enough to remember

you're forgiven, you have enough political crap to deal with.
 

nick1985

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all i can say is a guy who gas attacks his own cities is a guy i want to have in power..wait a second......
 

optoman

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I'm for disarming Hussien with our* Military and I would like us to be more patient with the Inspectors, not because I believe he will comply, but because I believe he wont and eventually we will be able to get a UN sanctioned Military action against him with the support of the UN (read..funds for the war)

This is true. The only problem I see is that we need our military over there now to put pressure on Saddam. The military can not sit there for another 6 months waiting to go. It is bad for the troops and the economy. If we didn't have our troops there now, the inspectors wouldn't even be in the country. No one else wants to put pressure on Iraq except for a few countries.

What would happen if the US (and the other supporting countries) pulls out of the middle east? Do people seriously think Saddam will still disarm?
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: optoman
I'm for disarming Hussien with our* Military and I would like us to be more patient with the Inspectors, not because I believe he will comply, but because I believe he wont and eventually we will be able to get a UN sanctioned Military action against him with the support of the UN (read..funds for the war)

This is true. The only problem I see is that we need our military over there now to put pressure on Saddam. The military can not sit there for another 6 months waiting to go. It is bad for the troops and the economy. If we didn't have our troops there now, the inspectors wouldn't even be in the country. No one else wants to put pressure on Iraq except for a few countries.

What would happen if the US (and the other supporting countries) pulls out of the middle east? Do people seriously think Saddam will still disarm?
It's a bitch being the Worlds Policeman!
 

davee

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: optoman
I'm for disarming Hussien with our* Military and I would like us to be more patient with the Inspectors, not because I believe he will comply, but because I believe he wont and eventually we will be able to get a UN sanctioned Military action against him with the support of the UN (read..funds for the war)

This is true. The only problem I see is that we need our military over there now to put pressure on Saddam. The military can not sit there for another 6 months waiting to go. It is bad for the troops and the economy. If we didn't have our troops there now, the inspectors wouldn't even be in the country. No one else wants to put pressure on Iraq except for a few countries.

What would happen if the US (and the other supporting countries) pulls out of the middle east? Do people seriously think Saddam will still disarm?
It's a bitch being the Worlds Policeman!

well bush and chirac may working in tandem.good cop bad cop
 

bjc112

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: optoman
I'm for disarming Hussien with our* Military and I would like us to be more patient with the Inspectors, not because I believe he will comply, but because I believe he wont and eventually we will be able to get a UN sanctioned Military action against him with the support of the UN (read..funds for the war)

This is true. The only problem I see is that we need our military over there now to put pressure on Saddam. The military can not sit there for another 6 months waiting to go. It is bad for the troops and the economy. If we didn't have our troops there now, the inspectors wouldn't even be in the country. No one else wants to put pressure on Iraq except for a few countries.

What would happen if the US (and the other supporting countries) pulls out of the middle east? Do people seriously think Saddam will still disarm?
It's a bitch being the Worlds Policeman!

Amen,

But someones gotta do it..
 

davee

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Originally posted by: bjc112
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: optoman
I'm for disarming Hussien with our* Military and I would like us to be more patient with the Inspectors, not because I believe he will comply, but because I believe he wont and eventually we will be able to get a UN sanctioned Military action against him with the support of the UN (read..funds for the war)

This is true. The only problem I see is that we need our military over there now to put pressure on Saddam. The military can not sit there for another 6 months waiting to go. It is bad for the troops and the economy. If we didn't have our troops there now, the inspectors wouldn't even be in the country. No one else wants to put pressure on Iraq except for a few countries.

What would happen if the US (and the other supporting countries) pulls out of the middle east? Do people seriously think Saddam will still disarm?
It's a bitch being the Worlds Policeman!

Amen,

But someones gotta do it..
its good to have the us in charge but at the same time theres room for criticism
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: bjc112
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: optoman
I'm for disarming Hussien with our* Military and I would like us to be more patient with the Inspectors, not because I believe he will comply, but because I believe he wont and eventually we will be able to get a UN sanctioned Military action against him with the support of the UN (read..funds for the war)

This is true. The only problem I see is that we need our military over there now to put pressure on Saddam. The military can not sit there for another 6 months waiting to go. It is bad for the troops and the economy. If we didn't have our troops there now, the inspectors wouldn't even be in the country. No one else wants to put pressure on Iraq except for a few countries.

What would happen if the US (and the other supporting countries) pulls out of the middle east? Do people seriously think Saddam will still disarm?
It's a bitch being the Worlds Policeman!

Amen,

But someones gotta do it..
And it costs to take that role.

 

halik

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Oct 10, 2000
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Alright heres my rant:

I'm sick of all the so SELF RIGHTEOUS, ARROGANT AMERICANS, that belive that USA is THEE only single and most important entity in the world. I'm sick of hearing how Saddam poses risk to U.S,, us, the only , I'm sick of hearing how Saddam is a terrorist, when our government supports the nation which majority of the terrorists were citizens of, and I'm sick of seeing american flags and 'stop terrorist' bumper stickers on 5mpg Expeditions while the owners tanks up 40 gallons of gasoline.

I'm positively and definitively sick of American hypocrisy, saying that people that protest against the war are unamerican when in fact they define the spirit of america - THE POWER OF PEOPLE


I just can't stand the RED-WHITE-BLUE packed propaganda we are fed everyday, every time i hear the thousand-dollar-PR-premium "WAR ON TERROR", something iniside of cringes. I've whitness this before, it was back in my true homeland - the communist czechoslovakia. Except back then the propaganda was packed with RED STARS and COMMON GOOD. Come to think of it, the events of today are no different than what i've experienced before 1989. Its always the higher good, somethign we have to do to be better off, something thats our MANIFEST OF DESTINY

You see history repeats and i feel our president wants to turn the clock to 10 years ago. Economic cirisis, high gas prices, stockmarket down the drain. How did daddy solve that problem?


It's funny how this nation that symblolizes liberty can so easily be overtaken by fear coming from media. We have to disarm Saddam Hussein so rumsfelt doesnt have to come out every other week waiving some orange flag and telling us to buy ducktape. Patriotism has worn out already, fear is here to stay.

So with our fear and ducktaped windows, we might as well attack Iraq and call it premtive strike. After all we're americans right? Nothing can hurt us and we'll nuke everythign that moves.


APPENDIX: If there ever another terrorist strike like the one witnessed 9-11, please do be all confused and ask yourselves why would anyone do things like that. Please do wonder when did you ever piss someone off to cause such a terrible reaction. Maybe then you will see where lies the problem