Sorry, I have to go rant about the war.

[Dark54555]

Originally posted by: konichiwa
<< So you want to dwell on the distant past? Why isn't India attacking the UK for their colonial period. I don't see half of Africa lining up to kick France's ass. I know, why don't we go beat up Mongolia for the hordes Ghengis Kahn sent! And then we can attack Italy for Roman Imperialism. Yes, you've really got something here >>

Read again...PAST AND PRESENT. Colonialism and slavery (among others) are institutions which affect generations upon generations. To dismiss them as "the past" is naive and ignorant.

<< I don't see half of Africa lining up to kick France's ass >>

Morocco: 1953
Algeria: 1963
Ivory Coast: Still happening

<< Why isn't India attacking the UK for their colonial period >>

Ever heard of this guy, ummm, what was his name? Ah yes, Gandhi.

Read up on your history before you come spouting FALSE facts.

OK, re-think what you just said. Is India about to attack Britian TODAY? No, they did it and gained freedom years ago. Is Africa lining up to kick France's ass TODAY? No, that was years ago. Does America have any colonies in the Middle East TODAY? NO!

And if you want to talk slavery and that horrible reparations plan...fine. No one in the history of my family EVER owned slaves in the US. We weren't even IN the US during the slave period. Why, then, should I pay for it? Moreover, in the history of the world, every group has been enslaved at some point. Greece isn't seeking reparations from Italy for the enslavement by the Romans. Hell, the Chinese aren't seeking reparations from the US for the virtual enslavement in the building of the trans-continental railroad.

Yes the past affects the present. But if you spend all your time dwelling on the past, you'll never get anywhere.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: freakflag

You did stop a genocide, but at what cost?

I love this statement. :disgust: So typical.

"Yeah, you saved our @sses, bbbut, you're AMERICANS so up yours!"

You said you came from Chezchoslovakia, right? Do you think for half a second that you would enjoy the freeeoms you have now if it were not for the

SELF RIGHTEOUS, ARROGANT AMERICANS,

?

You ungrateful little b@stard.

A "war on terror" is like a "war on hatred"; you CAN NOT stop people from hating America by killing as many of them as you can find! It will not work. You will end up breeding more and more hatred. Period.

That's the most sensible, well stated argument I have heard yet.

Umm no offense but if you're talking about WW2, it was the russians that liberated Czechoslovakia...and then occupied it for 40 years, but thats a completly different story

Also as for Kosovo, there has been massive civilian casualties and when you subtract those form the minority that was saved from the genocie you get the actual number. All i'm saying is theres ways to get involved that would eliminate casualities, but then again that would risk the american lives and hence your priorities. I'm just surprised that the UN had enough guts to dispatch ground force whereas the "GREATES, STRONGEST NATION IN THE WORLD" didnt...

I think he means that ot it weren't for the USA, Britian and the rest of the Free world you'd still be under Soviet domain. Actually he probably means just the USA as he more than likely thinks we alone saved the world from the Soviets.

 

[Dark54555]

Originally posted by: konichiwa
We're all armchair politicians here, I don't have all the answers, but I can assure you that elitists like Dark54555 will never solve our problems.

odd, I'm sure you won't either.

 

[halik]

No i do not vote by the way, im not an US citizen

haha im just waiting for someone to tell me if i dont like it then get the #$%# out...

 

[konichiwa]

You seem to have selective hearing, so I don't exactly see how I can have a discussion with you. Read up on the Ivory Coast, it's a prime example.

 

[Dark54555]

Originally posted by: konichiwa
You seem to have selective hearing, so I don't exactly see how I can have a discussion with you. Read up on the Ivory Coast, it's a prime example.

I haven't seen any ivory coast terrorists in the news lately. moreover, we don't have any colonies in the middle east, last I checked, which was about 5 minutes ago. So unless we conquered some country and claimed it as ours in the past 5 minutes, it's not a prime example.

 

[freakflag]

Umm no offense but if you're talking about WW2, it was the russians that liberated Czechoslovakia...and then occupied it for 40 years, but thats a completly different story

Again, typical avoidance. :disgust:

I was talking about COMMUNISM. Do you remember that?
Let me guess...things were actually MUCH better there before the d@mned Americans butted in, RIGHT? :disgust:

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: konichiwa
You seem to have selective hearing, so I don't exactly see how I can have a discussion with you. Read up on the Ivory Coast, it's a prime example.

I'd like you to explain that one to me konichiwa. Exactly how are the current troubles in the Ivory Coast directed at the French?

 

[freakflag]

Actually he probably means just the USA as he more than likely thinks we alone saved the world from the Soviets.

Don't put words in my mouth, you're not qualified.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: freakflag

Actually he probably means just the USA as he more than likely thinks we alone saved the world from the Soviets.

Don't put words in my mouth, you're not qualified.

Putting things in your mouth is best left to your boyfriend.

 

[freakflag]

Putting things in your mouth is best left to your boyfriend.

You would know. It should surprise me that you're an expert, but, somehow it doesn't.

 

[przero]

halik - How then is he "our president"? You my friend are a visitor. Enjoy our country. We are glad to have you. when you become a citizen then he is "our president". You can't claim him till then.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: freakflag

Putting things in your mouth is best left to your boyfriend.

You would know. It should surprise me that you're an expert, but, somehow it doesn't.

Hardly.. and don't mistaken that for hard!

 

[Tab]

Originally posted by: konichiwa
<< Saddam kills babies. Do you want him to kill your babies? >>

Talk about rhetoric.

You sure about that? During his rise in power he made all young boy babies exterminated or forced to join his guard. I think you should goto Iraq and look at the massive grave sites.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: konichiwa
<< Saddam kills babies. Do you want him to kill your babies? >>

Talk about rhetoric.

You sure about that? During his rise in power he made all young boy babies exterminated or forced to join his guard. I think you should goto Iraq and look at the massive grave sites.

Are we suppose to care about Iraqi Babies? We are going in there to overthrow Husiien. Dead Iraqi babies are just collateral damage.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: freakflag

Umm no offense but if you're talking about WW2, it was the russians that liberated Czechoslovakia...and then occupied it for 40 years, but thats a completly different story

Again, typical avoidance. :disgust:

I was talking about COMMUNISM. Do you remember that?
Let me guess...things were actually MUCH better there before the d@mned Americans butted in, RIGHT? :disgust:

UHH could you please explain to me how exactly did americans have anything to do with that?

About the president thing, technically im permanent resident. But yeah your president, my president ... doesnt change the main idea or the perspective in whole

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Tabb

Originally posted by: konichiwa
<< Saddam kills babies. Do you want him to kill your babies? >>

Talk about rhetoric.

You sure about that? During his rise in power he made all young boy babies exterminated or forced to join his guard. I think you should goto Iraq and look at the massive grave sites.

Are we suppose to care about Iraqi Babies? We are going in there to overthrow Husiien. Dead Iraqi babies are just collateral damage.

Isn't that what Saddam said as he was building his palaces with the oil for food money?

Would anyone like to speculate on whether Iraq would be better off in ten years under Saddam or his son or without them?

 

[freakflag]

UHH could you please explain to me how exactly did americans have anything to do with that?

So, you don't think America had anything to do with the end of the Russian occupation of Czechoslovakia?

Ever hear of the Cold War? We won.

 

[PCMarine]

Originally posted by: profet
awesome post
i agree 100%

 

[etech]

Originally posted by: etech

Originally posted by: konichiwa
You seem to have selective hearing, so I don't exactly see how I can have a discussion with you. Read up on the Ivory Coast, it's a prime example.

I'd like you to explain that one to me konichiwa. Exactly how are the current troubles in the Ivory Coast directed at the French?

konichiwa, still there? I'd be very curious to hear your explanation for the above question as it does not fit in with any of the news I have seen on that conflict.