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yllus

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Hi Bill, long time no see! Welcome back.

Any extremely minor thing that the Trump adminstration has done that's positive is enormously outweighed by the racism, bigotry, interference with the law and governance of the country. It's nice that you choose to focus on the small but frankly you're being incredibly short sighted. Hope you engage with others here and realize this is the worst administration in history.
 

TallBill

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I'm curious as to which issues Trump is going in the right direction. I can think of two, of which one he hasn't followed through yet. Which is a bill that will keep the feds out of any state who decides to legalize marijuana.

He's trimmed the budget of some programs where the federal government doesn't belong. It needs to go further to include the DOD, who ironically enough pays my bills for the next few months.

I don't like the entire tax plan, but a 35% corporate tax rate is stifling, and every organization just seems to cheat their way out of it anyways.

There seems to be some sort of economic rallying behind him. Of course nobody can attribute it to Trump, or even the majority of it to him, but the end of the world scenario hasn't happened. Employers are confident and unemployment is low. The Fed did their part by rising interest rates and projecting future rises. Makes recovery during the next recession more manageable.

He's far from a statesman, but the North Korean meeting was pretty swell. It makes sense for us to help their economy and play nice. They get a taste of money and technology and they'll be on board.

ISIS has taken a serious blow, although I'm about over the never ending war on terrorism, having been deployed twice early on in the conflicts.

There are a few more things, but it's time for me to write a paper. I can list plenty that I do not like as well.. It's probably not going to be as cut and dry as other's opinions though.
 

TallBill

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Hi Bill, long time no see! Welcome back.

Any extremely minor thing that the Trump adminstration has done that's positive is enormously outweighed by the racism, bigotry, interference with the law and governance of the country. It's nice that you choose to focus on the small but frankly you're being incredibly short sighted. Hope you engage with others here and realize this is the worst administration in history.

The economy, attributed to him or not, is a HUGE predictor on the quality of life for all of us. From a utilitarianism standpoint it could outweigh other things.

I'll engage with those who actually attempt to engage. I save inflammatory attacks for my best friends.
 

MrSquished

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He's trimmed the budget of some programs where the federal government doesn't belong. It needs to go further to include the DOD, who ironically enough pays my bills for the next few months.

I don't like the entire tax plan, but a 35% corporate tax rate is stifling, and every organization just seems to cheat their way out of it anyways.

There seems to be some sort of economic rallying behind him. Of course nobody can attribute it to Trump, or even the majority of it to him, but the end of the world scenario hasn't happened. Employers are confident and unemployment is low. The Fed did their part by rising interest rates and projecting future rises. Makes recovery during the next recession more manageable.

He's far from a statesman, but the North Korean meeting was pretty swell. It makes sense for us to help their economy and play nice. They get a taste of money and technology and they'll be on board.

ISIS has taken a serious blow, although I'm about over the never ending war on terrorism, having been deployed twice early on in the conflicts.

There are a few more things, but it's time for me to write a paper. I can list plenty that I do not like as well.. It's probably not going to be as cut and dry as other's opinions though.

Tax plan was a massive giveaway to large corporations already making windfall profits. If they were struggling I'd see your point but that wasn't the case. They could have done far better. Maybe focused some cuts solely on small business and that's it. BUt they wanted to give away the farm, if you see that as a positive then you love yourself some trickle down. Most here don't.

I wouldn't say there is a rallying cry but he hasn't 'fucked up' the economy AS IT WAS trending prior to him coming into office. He's been in office for a year and a half and hasn't fucked up the economy. Everybody wants to stay rich so they aren't going to rock the boat if they hold their breath and the guy in charge doesn't fuck up too much. Good for him, a muppet could have done the same.

North Korea was a reality tv show moment that legitimized NK and weakened our own moral position in the world. What a joke that was.

I don't know of any Trump policy that has taken care of ISIS any more than the previous 8 years fighting ISIS, besides Trump saying he wanted out of Syria before shooting like 3 missiles at Assad, then calling it a day. Yeah, he really took care of ISIS.
 
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MrSquished

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Lol, at least you're open to engaging discourse.

I heard a Trumpist on my FB claim that Trump had destroyed ISS as of 6 months ago. Trump didn't do anything on ISIS except go against his generals and suggest a withdrawal from Syria. And now he beat them? Come on. You can do better than a Hannity talking point.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Am I? news to me



The restrictions on what we can call people in P&M have been....heavily relaxed over recent years. Accusing someone of being racist is probably as mild as mild can get around here, these days. If you aren't hurt buy it, then you actually wouldn't even be commenting about what you perceive as an accusation, but clearly this bothers you.

Anyway, on to that: I haven't accused you of this. I've simply explained how, today, one's unsubstantiated support of Trump (you still haven't put into detail "those good things" that you like) will lead to them earning the racist merit badge in most people's eyes. It's just where we are today: it is the universal trait that binds all of today's current Trump supporters. I simply defined that reality for you, and requested, then, that you provide further details to explain why you don't deserve that label.

I didn't accuse you of anything, but if you wish to continue believing this, which appears to be a projection on your part, maybe, then by all means.

Perhaps you are out of practice, and so unfamiliar with how to properly navigate the rules of ..."conduct" in the current P&N.

Of course there are some posters: boomerang, glenn, compuwiz: objectionably, unapologetically, indefensibly racist. They know it and they want you to know it. This is part of our common set of facts that we get to use with our discussions. I don't know if you are confusing our common responses to their comments as our responses to yours, but that probably isn't the case. At least not yet. But I offer this guide simply that you might better understand that it is pretty easy to get lumped into that category, perhaps unfairly, when one makes similar, common arguments.

The vague proclamation "I like some good things!" without any actual detail as to those "good things," let alone understanding the framework of "those good things" is a bit of a red flag. Treat this as a PSA, then? One reasonably assumes that the person who likes "some good things" is unwilling to go into detail about those "good things," because that person reasonably understands that those "good things" really can be considered objectionable in modern, advanced societies.

It is also common practice among supporters to play the victim, as if "being assaulted" by reasonable requests to provide details and defense of one's claims, and using the same set of universal, inarguable set of facts that humanity supports, is somehow an attack on "freedom of opinion!" or whatever. The refusal to meet these reasonable requests becomes, itself, a statement of "pride" and proof of "heroism," in the unending battle against the "illiberal liberals" of the world, assaulting our freedom to believe objectionably horrendous things, and support the public implementation of objectionably horrendous things, if only because 1 or 2 of our personal goals in life are met (for example: freedom to go shooty shooty whenever and wherever I want, and freedom to govern one's bedroom activities, wherever and whenever I want. Conservative big government staples)


basically: when, in the mind of the conservative or, uh "independent but really totally right wing I just don't want to believe it" did reasonable requests to explain a position from a common basis of facts get redefined as an assault on personal freedom? Further: when did it become honorable to reject such requests and, in the same breath, declare that your opponent is "not treating you fairly" or "Respecting your opinion?"

How did this become a thing? Getting to the root of this toxicity at the core of what today is called Trumptardia, is the primary path to explaining and fixing the gap that exists in our common American culture.


I'm not thinking of you and a good many others, but we can be pretty tribal here too. I'm a racist it would seem because if I was critical of Obama for cause there was "negro president" thrown around. I don't care for Hillary? "You want to make people believe Dems aren't good enough and have them vote Republican" stuff.

But like Groucho I probably shouldn't join a club that would have me. :D

We can be snotty bastards with a strict litmus test. Most of the crew here are OK, but say the wrong word and some climb up that pedestal in a hurry and damn people, not for being racist but "conform or be cast out"
 
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umbrella39

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You silly goose Bill. There is only one approved opinion in P&N, you either share it or you're shunned by the heard.

Awe... The consummate victim! You've been here long enough to know this is complete bullshit . The thing is you guys were able to construct arguments to defend Bush. Most if not all of those intelligent conservative posters have long since abandoned that practice with Trump and have either high tailed it out of here or have grown a conscience. No, most if not all of you who have stayed, some with multiple accounts, are just team sport high fivers at this point. You are a shell of you former selves... But alas, you will just paint yourself as the victim again. Work in your game. We'll be here when you want to stop acting so oppressed...
 

fskimospy

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He's trimmed the budget of some programs where the federal government doesn't belong. It needs to go further to include the DOD, who ironically enough pays my bills for the next few months.

I don't like the entire tax plan, but a 35% corporate tax rate is stifling, and every organization just seems to cheat their way out of it anyways.

There seems to be some sort of economic rallying behind him. Of course nobody can attribute it to Trump, or even the majority of it to him, but the end of the world scenario hasn't happened. Employers are confident and unemployment is low. The Fed did their part by rising interest rates and projecting future rises. Makes recovery during the next recession more manageable.

He's far from a statesman, but the North Korean meeting was pretty swell. It makes sense for us to help their economy and play nice. They get a taste of money and technology and they'll be on board.

ISIS has taken a serious blow, although I'm about over the never ending war on terrorism, having been deployed twice early on in the conflicts.

There are a few more things, but it's time for me to write a paper. I can list plenty that I do not like as well.. It's probably not going to be as cut and dry as other's opinions though.

This post is almost entirely ‘I am a stupid person and my political sports team seems great.’
 
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Looks like someone’s feels got hurt

ps, I learned it from you

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Moonbeam

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Thanks :D Good to see you as well, and yes I am.
Perhaps you are familiar with the idea that people will do things without necessarily knowing why. The sentence before this one might just well be an example of that, for example, but since you are the one OP posting here, maybe we should explore what reasons may motivate that desire. So what that prompts me to ask, given what you have said so far, is to ask what you mean by admitting to us that you are a dick. What kind of dick. How do you see yourself as a dick. What does being a dick mean. I am especially interested to know if the kind of dick that you think yourself to be is one that gives you pride. If not, does admitting you are a dick in a bad sense allow you to take pride in your honesty. Is it a defensive move, a way to get ahead of criticism, 'you can't insult me because I already admit to being what you want to call me.'

My opinion is that your OP expresses an emotional need. One of the first things that comes to my mind along those lines is that the toxic environment expressed here represents a real challenge to your self respect as a person who sees good things in Trump, as you claim and defend. Your self worth as a human being is being challenged, the deplorable thingi. My understanding of how people work is that they have egos that protect them from feelings of worthlessness that were inculcated into us as children and we spend our time trying to strengthen that ego by testing, by making a greater and greater ass of ourselves and successfully defending. To win such tests is of course to fail because all it does is make us better at being dicks. So what do you think. Can you tell me what kind of dick you are or did you just not even manage to skim this?
 
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Perhaps you are familiar with the idea that people will do things without necessarily knowing why. The sentence before this one might just well be an example of that, for example, but since you are the one OP posting here, maybe we should explore what reasons may motivate that desire. So what that prompts me to ask, given what you have said so far, is to ask what you mean by admitting to us that you are a dick. What kind of dick. How do you see yourself as a dick. What does being a dick mean. I am especially interested to know if the kind of dick that you think yourself to be is one that gives you pride. If not, does admitting you are a dick in a bad sense allow you to take pride in your honesty. Is it a defensive move, a way to get ahead of criticism, 'you can't insult me because I already admit to being what you want to call me.'

My opinion is that your OP expresses an emotional need. One of the first things that comes to my mind along those lines is that the toxic environment expressed here represents a real challenge to your self respect as a person who sees good things in Trump, as you claim and defend. Your self worth as a human being is being challenged, the deplorable thingi. My understanding of how people work is that they have egos that protect them from feelings of worthlessness that were inculcated into us as children and we spend our time trying to strengthen that ego by testing, by making a greater and greater ass of ourselves and successfully defending. To win such tests is of course to fail because all it does is make us better at being dicks. So what do you think. Can you tell me what kind of dick you are or did you just not even manage to skim this?

again this is what we are dealing with

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TallBill

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Perhaps you are familiar with the idea that people will do things without necessarily knowing why. The sentence before this one might just well be an example of that, for example, but since you are the one OP posting here, maybe we should explore what reasons may motivate that desire. So what that prompts me to ask, given what you have said so far, is to ask what you mean by admitting to us that you are a dick. What kind of dick. How do you see yourself as a dick. What does being a dick mean. I am especially interested to know if the kind of dick that you think yourself to be is one that gives you pride. If not, does admitting you are a dick in a bad sense allow you to take pride in your honesty. Is it a defensive move, a way to get ahead of criticism, 'you can't insult me because I already admit to being what you want to call me.'

My opinion is that your OP expresses an emotional need. One of the first things that comes to my mind along those lines is that the toxic environment expressed here represents a real challenge to your self respect as a person who sees good things in Trump, as you claim and defend. Your self worth as a human being is being challenged, the deplorable thingi. My understanding of how people work is that they have egos that protect them from feelings of worthlessness that were inculcated into us as children and we spend our time trying to strengthen that ego by testing, by making a greater and greater ass of ourselves and successfully defending. To win such tests is of course to fail because all it does is make us better at being dicks. So what do you think. Can you tell me what kind of dick you are or did you just not even manage to skim this?

Where did I defend Trump? I read the whole thing, but I can't answer it because you need to rework that part.
 

fskimospy

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Ah yes the classic, "What is your opinion" "Oh your opinion is really stupid". Well thought out.

Your opinion seems very poorly thought out and seems almost entirely emotional as opposed to logical.

If you have points you want to logically debate I am super down with that. I suspect you don’t.
 
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How so? Have I told anyone to fuck off? Have I called anyone a Nazi or a bigot? Have I screamed at anyone or got in anyone's face? There's some angry folks here, but I'm not one of them.

Then prove it next time one of these useful idiots show up to something, prove it next Nazi rally and we here some of them are good people, prove it next but...but Hillary thread.
Otherwise fuck your feelings.
 

Paratus

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He's trimmed the budget of some programs where the federal government doesn't belong. It needs to go further to include the DOD, who ironically enough pays my bills for the next few months.

Except the places he’s slashed or tried to slash are generally in oversight of business, FCC, EPA, etc.

It’s been done so poorly that every cut will be tied up in court or businesses which desperately wanted out from under federal regulations will now have to deal with a hodgepodge or 50 state regulations.
I don't like the entire tax plan, but a 35% corporate tax rate is stifling, and every organization just seems to cheat their way out of it anyways.
And yet it was done in such a slipshod way the senate accidentally killed several of the benefits of the tax bill because they passed the thing at the very last minute without reading it. They had to scramble to clean it up.
There seems to be some sort of economic rallying behind him. Of course nobody can attribute it to Trump, or even the majority of it to him, but the end of the world scenario hasn't happened. Employers are confident and unemployment is low. The Fed did their part by rising interest rates and projecting future rises. Makes recovery during the next recession more manageable.

Dow tumbles about 300 points, wipes out gains for year, as Trump directs more tariffs at China
  • The Dow also erased all of its gains for the year and posted a six-day losing streak, its longest since March 2017.
  • "With investor optimism as high as it is, there might not be much margin for error, and there is a real risk that this starts to erode consumer and business confidence," notes one strategist.
His ‘deal making’ consists of threatening our trading partners:
  • China
  • Canada
  • Germany
  • Etc
With tariffs. They are reciprocating and the markets are taking a hit from it.

He's far from a statesman, but the North Korean meeting was pretty swell. It makes sense for us to help their economy and play nice. They get a taste of money and technology and they'll be on board.

So he threatened NK with war and then did a turnaround and met with Kim.

He gave up joint exercises with SK without telling them beforehand in exchange for the photo op.

The US got nothing from this deal and lost more international prestige. Trump gained a talking point that resonated with his base which was what this was all about in the first place.

ISIS has taken a serious blow, although I'm about over the never ending war on terrorism, having been deployed twice early on in the conflicts.

There are a few more things, but it's time for me to write a paper. I can list plenty that I do not like as well.. It's probably not going to be as cut and dry as other's opinions though.

In general even if you do approve of his rhetoric or intentions on a certain issue incompetence is the rule of the day.

Unfortunately most of his rhetoric and intentions are aimed at propping up his base, funneling money into his businesses and staving off any investigation.

No where in there do I see him leading the country.
 

cytg111

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I didn't want to de-rail the "Sarah Huckabee Sanders Kicked out a restaurant" thread, but I did want to respond to a point made there:

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...t-of-restaurant.2549386/page-10#post-39473099



1. Trump is not my hero. But I don't live in a black and white world. On some issues it seems like he's going in the right direction, in others he seems to be going the wrong direction. I could go into details but those don't seem to be important to yourself or others. It's a lot easier to just declare me as a fan, declare me an idiot, and feel good this Sunday morning.

2. I have no political affiliation, I've never voted or outwardly supported any political candidates (that I can recall). I will become interested in local politics if I ever settle down, I've never been in the same place in the United States for more than 2 years as an adult.

3. You just putting racist words into my mouth makes you the racist not me. Nothing that I've posted here and none of my personal feelings fall into that realm, period.

4. This post is indeed styled in the same manner as another, apparently okay within the rules and confines of this forum. It is not a troll, just clarifying a few things for the people freaking out about this "New alt-right extreme man-child" poster. Been a member for a while, and been interested in politics for a while. Shame on me for forming my own opinion on some things and not being the most well read on others. I can live with that.

Great. A new thread all about yourself. I can see the resemblance...
 

TallBill

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Except the places he’s slashed or tried to slash are generally in oversight of business, FCC, EPA, etc.

It’s been done so poorly that every cut will be tied up in court or businesses which desperately wanted out from under federal regulations will now have to deal with a hodgepodge or 50 state regulations.

And yet it was done in such a slipshod way the senate accidentally killed several of the benefits of the tax bill because they passed the thing at the very last minute without reading it. They had to scramble to clean it up.


Dow tumbles about 300 points, wipes out gains for year, as Trump directs more tariffs at China
  • The Dow also erased all of its gains for the year and posted a six-day losing streak, its longest since March 2017.
  • "With investor optimism as high as it is, there might not be much margin for error, and there is a real risk that this starts to erode consumer and business confidence," notes one strategist.
His ‘deal making’ consists of threatening our trading partners:
  • China
  • Canada
  • Germany
  • Etc
With tariffs. They are reciprocating and the markets are taking a hit from it.



So he threatened NK with war and then did a turnaround and met with Kim.

He gave up joint exercises with SK without telling them beforehand in exchange for the photo op.

The US got nothing from this deal and lost more international prestige. Trump gained a talking point that resonated with his base which was what this was all about in the first place.



In general even if you do approve of his rhetoric or intentions on a certain issue incompetence is the rule of the day.

Unfortunately most of his rhetoric and intentions are aimed at propping up his base, funneling money into his businesses and staving off any investigation.

No where in there do I see him leading the country.

Someone asked a question, and I responded, and now I'm the bad guy for that? I never said I loved any of that stuff or that it was foolproof.

On a side not, the Dow Jones Industrial Average is a terrible benchmark for anything, it doesn't represent much of anything and doesn't take market cap into account. S&P 500 is a better snapshot.
 

TallBill

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Then prove it next time one of these useful idiots show up to something, prove it next Nazi rally and we here some of them are good people, prove it next but...but Hillary thread.
Otherwise fuck your feelings.

Lol I live in Germany bro, the whole Nazi thing doesn't happen over here. How many Nazis have you killed?