Sorry, another Donald Trump Thread

[TallBill]

I didn't want to de-rail the "Sarah Huckabee Sanders Kicked out a restaurant" thread, but I did want to respond to a point made there:

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...t-of-restaurant.2549386/page-10#post-39473099

ah yes, the world must be difficult for the only true victims out there: the oppressed white male. Your world is truly sad.

Trump: the hero you need. The one that will rob you blind and take out your kneecaps, and you'll thank him for it. All because he says some mean things about the browns.

1. Trump is not my hero. But I don't live in a black and white world. On some issues it seems like he's going in the right direction, in others he seems to be going the wrong direction. I could go into details but those don't seem to be important to yourself or others. It's a lot easier to just declare me as a fan, declare me an idiot, and feel good this Sunday morning.

2. I have no political affiliation, I've never voted or outwardly supported any political candidates (that I can recall). I will become interested in local politics if I ever settle down, I've never been in the same place in the United States for more than 2 years as an adult.

3. You just putting racist words into my mouth makes you the racist not me. Nothing that I've posted here and none of my personal feelings fall into that realm, period.

4. This post is indeed styled in the same manner as another, apparently okay within the rules and confines of this forum. It is not a troll, just clarifying a few things for the people freaking out about this "New alt-right extreme man-child" poster. Been a member for a while, and been interested in politics for a while. Shame on me for forming my own opinion on some things and not being the most well read on others. I can live with that.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Lol....this should be good.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

I'd love to hear what you think some of the "right direction" moves Trump has made.

 

[zinfamous]

Admittedly, it is quick and easy to attribute Trump support to an under-girding of lifelong racism: it is the one thing that, observably, seems common among the acolytes that have remained under the thrall of Orangeman to this day. Plenty of his initial supporters, or just voters, have since abandoned the toad, because they got it. It "finally" became obvious to them, so they spoke out.

Today, nearly 2 years after Orangeman put his family empire into primo position to loot our treasury and our national resources (which they have systematically gone about doing, in an alarming and well-documented fashion), those that remain with or have since joined the Orangeman, have done so only because they find his repeated defense of his actions--the browns are causing all of these miserable things for you--seem to square with their own personal assumptions about being not-white and thus, some sort of indiscriminate criminal.

Apologies if this doesn't happen to describe you, being away for so long, and both "extremely well-read" about a great many things, except this very specific thing which is actually "Really quite big in the world right now" and which you seem to harbor strong opinions about. The era of Trumptardia is perhaps proceeding in a different way here than from what you can observe living over there in the birthplace of the Nazi party. I, too, was overseas when another pivotal event struck our country: 9/11--and did not return until about 5 months later. I guess I wasn't there during the more immediate, feverish upswells of rampant nationalism, but daily life had certainly changed by the time I got back. Heightened security everywhere and, being in the south, a hilarious confusion about what constitutes patriotism: The confederate flag displayed next to the US flag, as if support of vile traitors and slave-owners should be sharing the stage with the country that defeated that toxicity.

So yes, you don't have to "explain to me" that these issues are complex, that people are complex, smart, ignorant, perhaps a little bit of both. But understand that when confronted with an opinion in the background of observable, documented information and facts, after so much of this has been litigated in the public sphere for nearly 4 years now, that your, perhaps intentional, ignorance of this public discussion is no defense for the "who me" justification when you happen to side with, perhaps unfortunately, the burgeoning nazi party that we actually have over here. These guys are planning a new rally, as it is, to celebrate their Orange Leader, in front of the White House!

In other words: Truth is stranger than fiction.

 

[TallBill]

Hey, just confirmed from UsandThem that this type of post is not allowed. Expect a lock up.

This thread should be locked as well:

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/sorry-another-gun-control-thread.2549426/

Sorry boys, rules are rules.

 

[Greenman]

I didn't want to de-rail the "Sarah Huckabee Sanders Kicked out a restaurant" thread, but I did want to respond to a point made there:

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...t-of-restaurant.2549386/page-10#post-39473099



1. Trump is not my hero. But I don't live in a black and white world. On some issues it seems like he's going in the right direction, in others he seems to be going the wrong direction. I could go into details but those don't seem to be important to yourself or others. It's a lot easier to just declare me as a fan, declare me an idiot, and feel good this Sunday morning.

2. I have no political affiliation, I've never voted or outwardly supported any political candidates (that I can recall). I will become interested in local politics if I ever settle down, I've never been in the same place in the United States for more than 2 years as an adult.

3. You just putting racist words into my mouth makes you the racist not me. Nothing that I've posted here and none of my personal feelings fall into that realm, period.

4. This post is indeed styled in the same manner as another, apparently okay within the rules and confines of this forum. It is not a troll, just clarifying a few things for the people freaking out about this "New alt-right extreme man-child" poster. Been a member for a while, and been interested in politics for a while. Shame on me for forming my own opinion on some things and not being the most well read on others. I can live with that.

You silly goose Bill. There is only one approved opinion in P&N, you either share it or you're shunned by the heard.

 

[TheVrolok]

TB is saltier than I remember.

 

[TallBill]

TB is saltier than I remember.

What do you remember? It's been about a decade since I regularly posted here.

 

[HomerJS]

I'd love to hear what you think some of the "right direction" moves Trump has made.

Don't know if reversing things he previously fucked up, counts.

 

[TheVrolok]

What do you remember? It's been about a decade since I regularly posted here.

I remember worked in a bar? Military experience, liked guns, reasonable dude. Don't recall all the salt.

 

[TallBill]

I'm not very salty. Probably a bit defensive since this forum doesn't variance of opinion.

A few members have been engaging though.

 

[TallBill]

Lol....this should be good.

How So?

 

[zinfamous]

Hey, just confirmed from UsandThem that this type of post is not allowed. Expect a lock up.

This thread should be locked as well:

https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/sorry-another-gun-control-thread.2549426/

Sorry boys, rules are rules.

does this qualify as a callout thread? Doesn't seem like it to me. I think it's usually more appropriate to make separate threads on a specific point than to derail others....though not that this couldn't have kept on in the other huckabee thread.

mikey mike's thread, however, was to pull the topic out of the humor thread. That one often gets derailed and cleaned up, appropriately so. I think there is a distinction between the two, but I also don't think either are call-outs, no?

 

[TallBill]

does this qualify as a callout thread? Doesn't seem like it to me. I think it's usually more appropriate to make separate threads on a specific point than to derail others....though not that this couldn't have kept on in the other huckabee thread.

mikey mike's thread, however, was to pull the topic out of the humor thread. That one often gets derailed and cleaned up, appropriately so. I think there is a distinction between the two, but I also don't think either are call-outs, no?

I don't think either are.

 

[zinfamous]

I'm not very salty. Probably a bit defensive since this forum doesn't variance of opinion.

A few members have been engaging though.

The forum seems to be very intolerant of bigots and prideful ignorance, which tends to be the general state of advanced, educated societies. Within that framework, there is a wide variance of opinion. It's a solid place to be.

If a poster gets called out for their blatant bigotry, so be it. If one is capable of making a counter argument, when dealing with the same set of objective facts (this is very important, you see), then discussion can be very fruitful.

It is true that there is a very low tolerance for arguing from a basis of fantasy and roundly-proven lies. No discussion can be had when that type of fallacy is tolerated. If you accept these very simple, universal rules for adult conversation, then this is a lively place. There are a few remaining conservatives and conservative-leaners here that engage thusly.

 

[TallBill]

You really should stop calling me a racist. I'm not. I'm not hurt by it but it extends well past the allowed personal attack rule.

 

[TallBill]

And the idea that this is a home for well formed discourse is hilarious.

 

[zinfamous]

You really should stop calling me a racist.

Am I? news to me

I'm not. I'm not hurt by it but it extends well past the allowed personal attack rule.

The restrictions on what we can call people in P&M have been....heavily relaxed over recent years. Accusing someone of being racist is probably as mild as mild can get around here, these days. If you aren't hurt buy it, then you actually wouldn't even be commenting about what you perceive as an accusation, but clearly this bothers you.

Anyway, on to that: I haven't accused you of this. I've simply explained how, today, one's unsubstantiated support of Trump (you still haven't put into detail "those good things" that you like) will lead to them earning the racist merit badge in most people's eyes. It's just where we are today: it is the universal trait that binds all of today's current Trump supporters. I simply defined that reality for you, and requested, then, that you provide further details to explain why you don't deserve that label.

I didn't accuse you of anything, but if you wish to continue believing this, which appears to be a projection on your part, maybe, then by all means.

Perhaps you are out of practice, and so unfamiliar with how to properly navigate the rules of ..."conduct" in the current P&N.

Of course there are some posters: boomerang, glenn, compuwiz: objectionably, unapologetically, indefensibly racist. They know it and they want you to know it. This is part of our common set of facts that we get to use with our discussions. I don't know if you are confusing our common responses to their comments as our responses to yours, but that probably isn't the case. At least not yet. But I offer this guide simply that you might better understand that it is pretty easy to get lumped into that category, perhaps unfairly, when one makes similar, common arguments.

The vague proclamation "I like some good things!" without any actual detail as to those "good things," let alone understanding the framework of "those good things" is a bit of a red flag. Treat this as a PSA, then? One reasonably assumes that the person who likes "some good things" is unwilling to go into detail about those "good things," because that person reasonably understands that those "good things" really can be considered objectionable in modern, advanced societies.

It is also common practice among supporters to play the victim, as if "being assaulted" by reasonable requests to provide details and defense of one's claims, and using the same set of universal, inarguable set of facts that humanity supports, is somehow an attack on "freedom of opinion!" or whatever. The refusal to meet these reasonable requests becomes, itself, a statement of "pride" and proof of "heroism," in the unending battle against the "illiberal liberals" of the world, assaulting our freedom to believe objectionably horrendous things, and support the public implementation of objectionably horrendous things, if only because 1 or 2 of our personal goals in life are met (for example: freedom to go shooty shooty whenever and wherever I want, and freedom to govern one's bedroom activities, wherever and whenever I want. Conservative big government staples)


basically: when, in the mind of the conservative or, uh "independent but really totally right wing I just don't want to believe it" did reasonable requests to explain a position from a common basis of facts get redefined as an assault on personal freedom? Further: when did it become honorable to reject such requests and, in the same breath, declare that your opponent is "not treating you fairly" or "Respecting your opinion?"

How did this become a thing? Getting to the root of this toxicity at the core of what today is called Trumptardia, is the primary path to explaining and fixing the gap that exists in our common American culture.

 

[TallBill]

I stopped coming to P&N when it became the lets insult each other forum. As fun as that is, I do like conversation. I feel like I've wasted your morning though, I'm barely skimming your lengthy paragraphs.

Because I'm stupid of course.

 

[feralkid]

I didn't want to de-rail the "Sarah Huckabee Sanders Kicked out a restaurant" thread, but I did want to respond to a point made there:

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...t-of-restaurant.2549386/page-10#post-39473099



1. Trump is not my hero. But I don't live in a black and white world. On some issues it seems like he's going in the right direction, in others he seems to be going the wrong direction. I could go into details but those don't seem to be important to yourself or others. It's a lot easier to just declare me as a fan, declare me an idiot, and feel good this Sunday morning.

2. I have no political affiliation, I've never voted or outwardly supported any political candidates (that I can recall). I will become interested in local politics if I ever settle down, I've never been in the same place in the United States for more than 2 years as an adult.

3. You just putting racist words into my mouth makes you the racist not me. Nothing that I've posted here and none of my personal feelings fall into that realm, period.

4. This post is indeed styled in the same manner as another, apparently okay within the rules and confines of this forum. It is not a troll, just clarifying a few things for the people freaking out about this "New alt-right extreme man-child" poster. Been a member for a while, and been interested in politics for a while. Shame on me for forming my own opinion on some things and not being the most well read on others. I can live with that.

Poor little misunderstood Billy...

 

[TallBill]

Poor little misunderstood Billy...

Hey I'm 6'6" and middle class. Fake news.

 

[MrSquished]

I'm curious as to which issues Trump is going in the right direction. I can think of two, of which one he hasn't followed through yet. Which is a bill that will keep the feds out of any state who decides to legalize marijuana.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

This thread is going places. Bill, I've seen you around for what, close to a couple decades? You're a dick. Welcome back (from another "member ")

 

[TallBill]

This thread is going places. Bill, I've seen you around for what, close to a couple decades? You're a dick. Welcome back (from another "member ")

Thanks Good to see you as well, and yes I am.

 

[UglyCasanova]

I didn't want to de-rail the "Sarah Huckabee Sanders Kicked out a restaurant" thread, but I did want to respond to a point made there:

https://forums.anandtech.com/thread...t-of-restaurant.2549386/page-10#post-39473099



1. Trump is not my hero. But I don't live in a black and white world. On some issues it seems like he's going in the right direction, in others he seems to be going the wrong direction. I could go into details but those don't seem to be important to yourself or others. It's a lot easier to just declare me as a fan, declare me an idiot, and feel good this Sunday morning.

2. I have no political affiliation, I've never voted or outwardly supported any political candidates (that I can recall). I will become interested in local politics if I ever settle down, I've never been in the same place in the United States for more than 2 years as an adult.

3. You just putting racist words into my mouth makes you the racist not me. Nothing that I've posted here and none of my personal feelings fall into that realm, period.

4. This post is indeed styled in the same manner as another, apparently okay within the rules and confines of this forum. It is not a troll, just clarifying a few things for the people freaking out about this "New alt-right extreme man-child" poster. Been a member for a while, and been interested in politics for a while. Shame on me for forming my own opinion on some things and not being the most well read on others. I can live with that.

Welcome to P&N groupthink. Neckbeards that are absolutely right about everything throw insults about others lack of intelligence and tighten their fingerless gloves. Racism is encouraged (so long as it’s against the right color) and sexist slurs used with abandon. Everything is literal Nazis (literally!) and these are the darkest days the US has ever faced.