Sony botches PSP launch

[royaldank]

Originally posted by: Queasy
I expect the next-gen consoles to be around $350. PS2 and Xbox started at $300 so $350 is not too much higher. It doesn't have much to do with inflation as it has to do with consumer perception and what consumers are willing to pay. How many consoles have been successful that cost over $400? Zero.

It also sounds like individual game price may be rising to around $60 as well...especially EA games.

True, inflation might be the wrong word. However, we are at a transition time for gaming. In the last 10 years, it's blown up again to all new heights. The pricepoints used today have been standard for a long time. A lot like gas. There's a point where it's going to raise and I really think you'll see it this round. Games will begin around the $59.99 mark or maybe slightly higher. The consoles themselves will be $350-$400 easy. I realize they are looking for what consumers will pay, but going below $350 will be out of the question. Much more like how much above $350 can we get away with?

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: royaldank

Originally posted by: Queasy
Yep. $250 for a handheld gaming device is too much no matter what bells and whistles it comes with. $250-$300 is what the consumer expects for a newly released game console.

If that's true, don't expect the next wave of consoles to sell very well. I dare say they will be in the $350-$400 range. It's inflation. Sony isn't releasing a $250 handheld to turn around the following year and release a $250 console. Wont happen.

I expect the next-gen consoles to be around $350. PS2 and Xbox started at $300 so $350 is not too much higher. It doesn't have much to do with inflation as it has to do with consumer perception and what consumers are willing to pay. How many consoles have been successful that cost over $400? Zero.

It also sounds like individual game price may be rising to around $60 as well...especially EA games.

I expect them at $299 or under. ANy more than that and they won't get my launch money, period. PS1 launched at $299, PS2 did, Xbox did, GC launched at $199, so it's real simple. They break $300 for the machine, I won't buy until they drop the price or I can get a good deal here or at ebay.

Jason

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: slycat
for 250beans...not even 1 is OK.
They suck if they can't even get a 2x4inch lcd screen right. Where did they contract those screens..QA sux0red.

Originally posted by: Tiamat
1 dead (stuck off) subpixel is ok. but reports of up to 25!!? Ive personally seen 11 stuck subpixels and its terrible.

I had one dead pixel on my 3.7" Dell Axim x50V (640x480) and I paid $450 for it when it first came. I didn't bitch about it nearly as much as the rest of these whiners. In fact I just said:

"Hmm, dead pixel. FVCK. Oh well"

Come to think of it, I never even really realized the dead pixel again after that and I use it everyday.

1 dead pixel != multiple dead pixels. If it's actively noticeable, it's a problem. It's obviously a quality control issue.

If you were buying a new car, would you be completely happy if it had 1 ding in it, but you were still paying the regular price?

Cars are also for show and status, not just for getting you to point B from point A. I'm generally the only person looking at my monitors, which usually don't ellude to any sort of status or class.

Now, if you said "if you buy an old beat up ford pickup for 300 bucks, and it has a ding in it, are you going to want to knock it down to $250?"

I don't give a sh!t what other people think of my car. I'm saying if you're about to buy a car and you notice a ding in it, would you be happy with paying full price vs a car with no ding? Fvck no. Only an idiot would say yes.

If you're fine with paying the same price for a defective product vs a 100% working product, that's your perogative.

But you don't know that the PSP has bad pixels before you get home. There's no way for you to tell without opening it up beforehand.

That's not the same thing as a car with a ding on the exterior b/c you would have known beforehand if you looked at the car.

ZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING:laugh:

 

[ArmchairAthlete]

Originally posted by: royaldank

Originally posted by: Queasy
Yep. $250 for a handheld gaming device is too much no matter what bells and whistles it comes with. $250-$300 is what the consumer expects for a newly released game console.

If that's true, don't expect the next wave of consoles to sell very well. I dare say they will be in the $350-$400 range. It's inflation. Sony isn't releasing a $250 handheld to turn around the following year and release a $250 console. Wont happen.

Well, I know they'll have one less buyer here until the prices drop into a more reasonable range. I'll just buy PC games.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: royaldank

Originally posted by: Queasy
I expect the next-gen consoles to be around $350. PS2 and Xbox started at $300 so $350 is not too much higher. It doesn't have much to do with inflation as it has to do with consumer perception and what consumers are willing to pay. How many consoles have been successful that cost over $400? Zero.

It also sounds like individual game price may be rising to around $60 as well...especially EA games.

True, inflation might be the wrong word. However, we are at a transition time for gaming. In the last 10 years, it's blown up again to all new heights. The pricepoints used today have been standard for a long time. A lot like gas. There's a point where it's going to raise and I really think you'll see it this round. Games will begin around the $59.99 mark or maybe slightly higher. The consoles themselves will be $350-$400 easy. I realize they are looking for what consumers will pay, but going below $350 will be out of the question. Much more like how much above $350 can we get away with?

I don't think so, just my opinion. As I said above, I WON'T pay over $299, *period*, unless it comes with a game. If it has a game with it for the $350 I MIGHT go for it.

Jason

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: NFS4

But you don't know that the PSP has bad pixels before you get home. There's no way for you to tell without opening it up beforehand.

That's not the same thing as a car with a ding on the exterior b/c you would have known beforehand if you looked at the car.

ZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING:laugh:

wtf are you talking about? Of course you don't know it has bad pixels. Why the fvck would you want a PSP with bad pixels is what I'm saying?

 

[royaldank]

They've already said games will be higher than the $49.99 pricepoint. You really think they console price isn't going up as well? It's a tough time for videogames right now. They are expensive to make and they have tight price restrictions on what they sell. It will be a bit more fair next round, but that might cost them some consumers.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: NFS4

But you don't know that the PSP has bad pixels before you get home. There's no way for you to tell without opening it up beforehand.

That's not the same thing as a car with a ding on the exterior b/c you would have known beforehand if you looked at the car.

ZIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIING:laugh:

wtf are you talking about? Of course you don't know it has bad pixels. Why the fvck would you want a PSP with bad pixels is what I'm saying?

The point was that your comparison is pretty stupid b/c they're not even remotely the same case.

Apples and Oranges

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: slycat
for 250beans...not even 1 is OK.
They suck if they can't even get a 2x4inch lcd screen right. Where did they contract those screens..QA sux0red.

Originally posted by: Tiamat
1 dead (stuck off) subpixel is ok. but reports of up to 25!!? Ive personally seen 11 stuck subpixels and its terrible.

I had one dead pixel on my 3.7" Dell Axim x50V (640x480) and I paid $450 for it when it first came. I didn't bitch about it nearly as much as the rest of these whiners. In fact I just said:

"Hmm, dead pixel. FVCK. Oh well"

Come to think of it, I never even really realized the dead pixel again after that and I use it everyday.

1 dead pixel != multiple dead pixels. If it's actively noticeable, it's a problem. It's obviously a quality control issue.

If you were buying a new car, would you be completely happy if it had 1 ding in it, but you were still paying the regular price?

Cars are also for show and status, not just for getting you to point B from point A. I'm generally the only person looking at my monitors, which usually don't ellude to any sort of status or class.

Now, if you said "if you buy an old beat up ford pickup for 300 bucks, and it has a ding in it, are you going to want to knock it down to $250?"

I don't give a sh!t what other people think of my car. I'm saying if you're about to buy a car and you notice a ding in it, would you be happy with paying full price vs a car with no ding? Fvck no. Only an idiot would say yes.

If you're fine with paying the same price for a defective product vs a 100% working product, that's your perogative.

If you were someone who didn't give a fuck about what anyone thought about your car, can you tell me why the ding is bad? If it serves its primary purpose, what's so bad about the ding?

What I'm saying is two or three dead pixels is not "defective", or at least not defective enough to warrant a deduction from the price.

 

[Hammer]

those saying next gen consoles will go for 350-400 are crazy. there's a major ceiling at the 299 price point and any console maker that tried breaking that would be taking a huge gamble.

 

[mobobuff]

Originally posted by: Hammer
those saying next gen consoles will go for 350-400 are crazy. there's a major ceiling at the 299 price point and any console maker that tried breaking that would be taking a huge gamble.

It's called inflation.

 

[royaldank]

Originally posted by: Hammer
those saying next gen consoles will go for 350-400 are crazy. there's a major ceiling at the 299 price point and any console maker that tried breaking that would be taking a huge gamble.

People said the same thing about a $250 handheld. But, it's here and it's selling.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

wtf are you talking about? Of course you don't know it has bad pixels. Why the fvck would you want a PSP with bad pixels is what I'm saying?

because the average selling price is $50 lower with the low quality LCDs.

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: Hammer
those saying next gen consoles will go for 350-400 are crazy. there's a major ceiling at the 299 price point and any console maker that tried breaking that would be taking a huge gamble.

It's called inflation.

it's called elastic demand.

maybe the generation after will go for 350-400, but I would be very surprised to see the next generation test above 299.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: royaldank

Originally posted by: Hammer
those saying next gen consoles will go for 350-400 are crazy. there's a major ceiling at the 299 price point and any console maker that tried breaking that would be taking a huge gamble.

People said the same thing about a $250 handheld. But, it's here and it's selling.

actually, i think this thread demonstrates that it isn't.

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: royaldank

Originally posted by: Hammer
those saying next gen consoles will go for 350-400 are crazy. there's a major ceiling at the 299 price point and any console maker that tried breaking that would be taking a huge gamble.

People said the same thing about a $250 handheld. But, it's here and it's selling.

not very well. i think sony overestimated demand at 250, as i said in a previous post.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Hammer

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: Hammer
those saying next gen consoles will go for 350-400 are crazy. there's a major ceiling at the 299 price point and any console maker that tried breaking that would be taking a huge gamble.

It's called inflation.

it's called inelastic demand.

maybe the generation after will go for 350-400, but I would be very surprised to see the next generation test above 299.

I think MS is trying to get around this by selling two different versions of the next Xbox, one with a hard drive and one without. Obviously, the one without will be at the traditional price point while the one with will be higher.

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Hammer

Originally posted by: mobobuff

Originally posted by: Hammer
those saying next gen consoles will go for 350-400 are crazy. there's a major ceiling at the 299 price point and any console maker that tried breaking that would be taking a huge gamble.

It's called inflation.

it's called elastic demand. (fixed)

maybe the generation after will go for 350-400, but I would be very surprised to see the next generation test above 299.

I think MS is trying to get around this by selling two different versions of the next Xbox, one with a hard drive and one without. Obviously, the one without will be at the traditional price point while the one with will be higher.

you are right on the money. they're hedging their bets.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Queasy

I think MS is trying to get around this by selling two different versions of the next Xbox, one with a hard drive and one without. Obviously, the one without will be at the traditional price point while the one with will be higher.

damn near every time a game has required hardware other than what came with the console (or something really cheap like a memory card) that game has failed in sales. seriously, how many power pad games were there for the nintendo? 2? and one came with the power pad. and the power pad even came with the nintendo for a while.

 

[daniel1113]

I don't think the $250 price is too much for a PSP. A 20GB ipod costs about that much. Hell, that is what I paid for my Axim, and it's not half as powerful as a PSP (from what I've read, anyway). However, I can't image paying that for just a portable game system.

 

[royaldank]

Originally posted by: Hammer
not very well. i think sony overestimated demand at 250, as i said in a previous post.

I think that's narrow minded a bit. They are selling fine and they supplied plenty of units. They have a strategy and they know most of the population wont pay $250. They know most wont pay $399 for PS3, but it's going to start at that point. Price will drop when the software can support the offset price. Same as the PSP is going to be.

So, forever consoles are going to stay at $299? You obviously don't believe that and I'm not saying you do. But really, look at what's going on here. A $250 handheld is now available. Games are going to be at least $59.99 MSRP. The console price is going to be in the $350 range easy.

 

[osiris3mc]

Does anyone think Sony is making money on these units? I think they are selling them at a loss with the idea of making money on the games. If you compare it to an iPod, it's cheaper than the 40GB one, and there is much more to a PSP than an iPod. I think for the money it's worth it. It can do more than just play games!

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Queasy

I think MS is trying to get around this by selling two different versions of the next Xbox, one with a hard drive and one without. Obviously, the one without will be at the traditional price point while the one with will be higher.

damn near every time a game has required hardware other than what came with the console (or something really cheap like a memory card) that game has failed in sales. seriously, how many power pad games were there for the nintendo? 2? and one came with the power pad. and the power pad even came with the nintendo for a while.

How many games required the Xbox hard drive? The time-shifting cat is the only one I can think of. All other games utilized the hard drive for saves but it wasn't absolutely necessary. The flash memory for the next Xbox is supposed to be pretty large so game saves and user information for Xbox Live! can be stored on them. Also, there's rumors of alot of user info being stored on Xbox Live! user accounts.

 

[Hammer]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Queasy

I think MS is trying to get around this by selling two different versions of the next Xbox, one with a hard drive and one without. Obviously, the one without will be at the traditional price point while the one with will be higher.

damn near every time a game has required hardware other than what came with the console (or something really cheap like a memory card) that game has failed in sales. seriously, how many power pad games were there for the nintendo? 2? and one came with the power pad. and the power pad even came with the nintendo for a while.

i think the MS hard drive could work though. game can take advantage of it but not require it, and also eliminate the memory card as a feature. i think MS is just playing it conservation. price is in issue, yes, but perceived lost sales from memory cards for xbox 1 is a also huge factor.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: osiris3mc
Does anyone think Sony is making money on these units? I think they are selling them at a loss with the idea of making money on the games. If you compare it to an iPod, it's cheaper than the 40GB one, and there is much more to a PSP than an iPod. I think for the money it's worth it. It can do more than just play games!

like watch a single movie, or play mp3s from ridiculously overpriced flash memory!