Sony botches PSP launch

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royaldank

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Queasy

I think MS is trying to get around this by selling two different versions of the next Xbox, one with a hard drive and one without. Obviously, the one without will be at the traditional price point while the one with will be higher.

damn near every time a game has required hardware other than what came with the console (or something really cheap like a memory card) that game has failed in sales. seriously, how many power pad games were there for the nintendo? 2? and one came with the power pad. and the power pad even came with the nintendo for a while.

How many games required the Xbox hard drive? The time-shifting cat is the only one I can think of. All other games utilized the hard drive for saves but it wasn't absolutely necessary. The flash memory for the next Xbox is supposed to be pretty large so game saves and user information for Xbox Live! can be stored on them.

Yeah, I'm not aware of any game that needs the HD to run. Are there any? Throw 64 (or 128) megs of flash memory and that takes care of all game saves and XBOX live data. If you want to rip music and so forth, you buy a flash memory upgrade. Many people don't rip music and could care less. I think this may be what you see on XBOX2.

 

osiris3mc

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: osiris3mc
Does anyone think Sony is making money on these units? I think they are selling them at a loss with the idea of making money on the games. If you compare it to an iPod, it's cheaper than the 40GB one, and there is much more to a PSP than an iPod. I think for the money it's worth it. It can do more than just play games!

like watch a single movie, or play mp3s from ridiculously overpriced flash memory!

Compared to a portable DVD player - one movie at a time!!!!! egad!!! I wanted to watch four at a time! It's cheaper. The memoery isn't that expensive, you can get a gig stick for about $60 bucks, and the price will continue to drop. It's a great all-in-one is what I'm saying.
 
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Originally posted by: royaldank
Originally posted by: Hammer
those saying next gen consoles will go for 350-400 are crazy. there's a major ceiling at the 299 price point and any console maker that tried breaking that would be taking a huge gamble.

People said the same thing about a $250 handheld. But, it's here and it's selling.

Uh, yeah, but not nearly as well as they imagined :)

Jason
 
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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Hammer
Originally posted by: mobobuff
Originally posted by: Hammer
those saying next gen consoles will go for 350-400 are crazy. there's a major ceiling at the 299 price point and any console maker that tried breaking that would be taking a huge gamble.

It's called inflation.

it's called inelastic demand.

maybe the generation after will go for 350-400, but I would be very surprised to see the next generation test above 299.

I think MS is trying to get around this by selling two different versions of the next Xbox, one with a hard drive and one without. Obviously, the one without will be at the traditional price point while the one with will be higher.

That might be true, and I guess we'll find out soon at E3! :) One thing's for sure: If MS enters at $299, Sony will be effectively *forced* to follow their lead. And MS is pretty notorious for being more than willing to lose money on a product to force their competitor's hands.

It's gonna be an interesting next couple of years :)

Jason
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
That might be true, and I guess we'll find out soon at E3! :) One thing's for sure: If MS enters at $299, Sony will be effectively *forced* to follow their lead. And MS is pretty notorious for being more than willing to lose money on a product to force their competitor's hands.

It's gonna be an interesting next couple of years :)

Jason
Yeah, something tells me though that I'm probably not going to buy a new console when it first comes out this time. I've got a new baby due in September and the WAF for a new console after I've just built a HTPC is going to be extremely low. :D

 
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Originally posted by: royaldank
Originally posted by: Hammer
not very well. i think sony overestimated demand at 250, as i said in a previous post.

I think that's narrow minded a bit. They are selling fine and they supplied plenty of units. They have a strategy and they know most of the population wont pay $250. They know most wont pay $399 for PS3, but it's going to start at that point. Price will drop when the software can support the offset price. Same as the PSP is going to be.

So, forever consoles are going to stay at $299? You obviously don't believe that and I'm not saying you do. But really, look at what's going on here. A $250 handheld is now available. Games are going to be at least $59.99 MSRP. The console price is going to be in the $350 range easy.

If it's true that those kinds of price increases are going to happen (and we don't know anything but speculation and rumour until the next round of consoles hits), they're going to have to provide MORE than they have been. Things like downloadable content that's cheap or free for MOST games. MS really has a lead on this and SOny's nowhere even in their rearview mirror right now. We'll have to see what happens. I wonder if they'll announce XBox 360's price at E3?

Can't wait!

Jason
 
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Originally posted by: royaldank
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: Queasy

I think MS is trying to get around this by selling two different versions of the next Xbox, one with a hard drive and one without. Obviously, the one without will be at the traditional price point while the one with will be higher.

damn near every time a game has required hardware other than what came with the console (or something really cheap like a memory card) that game has failed in sales. seriously, how many power pad games were there for the nintendo? 2? and one came with the power pad. and the power pad even came with the nintendo for a while.

How many games required the Xbox hard drive? The time-shifting cat is the only one I can think of. All other games utilized the hard drive for saves but it wasn't absolutely necessary. The flash memory for the next Xbox is supposed to be pretty large so game saves and user information for Xbox Live! can be stored on them.

Yeah, I'm not aware of any game that needs the HD to run. Are there any? Throw 64 (or 128) megs of flash memory and that takes care of all game saves and XBOX live data. If you want to rip music and so forth, you buy a flash memory upgrade. Many people don't rip music and could care less. I think this may be what you see on XBOX2.

Actually, pretty much any game with downloadable content (and there are a LOT of games with downloadable content) require the Xbox HDD. The media center extender requires it, the music mixer thing does, SW: KOTOR II does...LOTS of Xbox games require the hard drive. And before you go saying "PS2 has many of the same games with no HDD!", I remind you of this: NO PS2 game looks as good as its Xbox counterpart. NOT ONE.

Jason
 
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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
That might be true, and I guess we'll find out soon at E3! :) One thing's for sure: If MS enters at $299, Sony will be effectively *forced* to follow their lead. And MS is pretty notorious for being more than willing to lose money on a product to force their competitor's hands.

It's gonna be an interesting next couple of years :)

Jason
Yeah, something tells me though that I'm probably not going to buy a new console when it first comes out this time. I've got a new baby due in September and the WAF for a new console after I've just built a HTPC is going to be extremely low. :D

Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing. PS2 had *no* killer app when it launched and I regretted the hell out of that purchase. It was a YEAR before a really good game finally came out. Xbox had Halo right out the gate, which was awesome, and DOA3 which was very good, but even at that I'd have been wiser to wait awhile. If the consoles are going to be priced even higher, I'm VERY sure I will wait, as I doubt very seriously there will be any major killer apps.

Jason
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Actually, pretty much any game with downloadable content (and there are a LOT of games with downloadable content) require the Xbox HDD. The media center extender requires it, the music mixer thing does, SW: KOTOR II does...LOTS of Xbox games require the hard drive. And before you go saying "PS2 has many of the same games with no HDD!", I remind you of this: NO PS2 game looks as good as its Xbox counterpart. NOT ONE.

Jason
Ahhh, but would the Xbox HDD be required if there was flash memory that was of decent size? No. The only reason SW: KOTOR requires the HDD is because the game save file is larger than the 8mb and 16mb cards can handle. Start selling 128mb memory cards (as has been rumored for the next Xbox) and we have a whole different scenario.
 

psteng19

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$250 isn't overpriced considering what you get.
It plays games, mp3's, videos, has WiFi, unofficial web browsing, etc.
An iPod or PDA costs about the same, if not slightly more.

At $200 though it would see a jump in sales.
Of course that can be said for any price reduction.

Dead pixels on LCD's is a sour spot though.
It could also use a touchscreen as a true PDA replacement too.
 

Baked

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Give it time. iPod didn't start selling like hot cakes over night. It took Apple a couple revisions and billions in ads.
 

ElFenix

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Originally posted by: osiris3mc
like watch a single movie, or play mp3s from ridiculously overpriced flash memory!

Compared to a portable DVD player - one movie at a time!!!!! egad!!! I wanted to watch four at a time! It's cheaper. The memoery isn't that expensive, you can get a gig stick for about $60 bucks, and the price will continue to drop. It's a great all-in-one is what I'm saying.

by single movie i mean 'spiderman 2'

at least a portable dvd player plays all the movies i already own AND those movies can be used at pretty much anyone else's house in the country. now, if i could make my own UMD movies, it would be more compelling.

and the memory is about twice that, if i'm reading the right category at ecost.

 

CTrain

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I don't think $250 is not too much for the PSP considering what it can do.
But the bundle is the most ridiculous thing I've seen.
I mean WTF...its a game machine and it doesn't come with a game instead they include a movie that everbody have already seen....blah!!
 
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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex
Actually, pretty much any game with downloadable content (and there are a LOT of games with downloadable content) require the Xbox HDD. The media center extender requires it, the music mixer thing does, SW: KOTOR II does...LOTS of Xbox games require the hard drive. And before you go saying "PS2 has many of the same games with no HDD!", I remind you of this: NO PS2 game looks as good as its Xbox counterpart. NOT ONE.

Jason
Ahhh, but would the Xbox HDD be required if there was flash memory that was of decent size? No. The only reason SW: KOTOR requires the HDD is because the game save file is larger than the 8mb and 16mb cards can handle. Start selling 128mb memory cards (as has been rumored for the next Xbox) and we have a whole different scenario.

Actually it does some HDD caching. It's not the *saves* that are of interest to me, as you correctly point out that a larger memory card could easily accomodate that. As for the downloads, extra content and whatnot, those are not so easily accounted for on a big memory stick. I suppose if you could use USB 2.0 memory sticks of, say, 512MB or so, then you could use it for caching and whatnot, but I don't think 128MB would cut it, especially not given how much more memory and capability the new box is going to have.

In any case, there are MANY games that store a bunch of data to the hard drive, so it's hardly like it isn't being used. *underused* is probably true (I still have 50,000+ blocks free after using tons of games, storing sound tracks, etc.) but UNused? No way, man :)

Jason
 
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Originally posted by: CTrain
I don't think $250 is not too much for the PSP considering what it can do.
But the bundle is the most ridiculous thing I've seen.
I mean WTF...its a game machine and it doesn't come with a game instead they include a movie that everbody have already seen....blah!!

I agree about the bundle but I *still* think $250 for a HANDHELD with *NO GAME* is absurd. For the $250 it should have at *least* 1 game, full version, or say a demo disck of PLAYABLE demos and maybe a 128MB memory stick. 32MB is a joke.

Jason
 

SuperStrokey

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i heard teh PSP got banned in the states teh other day because of some kind of copyright infringment? I assume this is totally bogus but could anyone clear this up for me?
 

TerryMathews

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Originally posted by: SuperStrokey
i heard teh PSP got banned in the states teh other day because of some kind of copyright infringment? I assume this is totally bogus but could anyone clear this up for me?

PS2 because it violates a patent WRT rumbling in time with gameplay.
 

blackdogdeek

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Originally posted by: TerryMathews
Originally posted by: SuperStrokey
i heard teh PSP got banned in the states teh other day because of some kind of copyright infringment? I assume this is totally bogus but could anyone clear this up for me?

PS2 because it violates a patent WRT rumbling in time with gameplay.

confirmed
 

0roo0roo

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Originally posted by: psteng19
$250 isn't overpriced considering what you get.
It plays games, mp3's, videos, has WiFi, unofficial web browsing, etc.
An iPod or PDA costs about the same, if not slightly more.

At $200 though it would see a jump in sales.
Of course that can be said for any price reduction.

Dead pixels on LCD's is a sour spot though.
It could also use a touchscreen as a true PDA replacement too.


course one must always factor in a good 1-2gb of flash mem costs for any practicall use of those other features. i hear they arent making the video encoding software that easy to use... or atleast its not all together yet
 

Queasy

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Originally posted by: blackdogdeek
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

course one must always factor in a good 1-2gb of flash mem costs for any practicall use of those other features. i hear they arent making the video encoding software that easy to use... or atleast its not all together yet

gamespot guide to encoding video for psp

it wasn't difficult. i now have some, ahem, "video clips" on my psp.

PSPVideo9 makes it even easier.
 

0roo0roo

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thats the point. it should be like itunes. it should be there in a nice tight package ready for use. not some thing u gotta go to a japanese site to download..wtf is with that sh*t.

First, you'll need to create a new directory in the root folder of your memory stick called "MP_ROOT." You'll then need to create a "100MNV01" directory inside the MP_ROOT directory. You'll put your video files in this 100MNV01 directory.

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Inside the MP_ROOT folder, create another called 100MNV01.

But wait, before you go copying over files, they need to be named properly! Video files must be named in the format of M4Vxxxxx.MP4 where "xxxxx" is any five-digit number, like 00001 or 01323. The converter will also create a file with the extension THM. The THM file is a thumbnail image of your video that will show up in the PSP's menu to make it easier to browse videos, but you have to name the THM file to match your newly renamed video file. So if you're renaming "that guy gets kicked down the stairs and falls on his face.MP4" to "M4V00006.MP4," you'll also need to rename "that guy gets kicked down the stairs and falls on his face.THM" to "M4V00006.THM" for it to still work.

Once you're done with that, disconnect your PSP from the PC, go over to the video menu in the PSP, and hit play on your files. Happy viewing!


oh come on wtf. it should be drag an avi or whatever u want into a window and it auto encodes. not this bullsh*t.

maybe an ability to use tv tuners and stuff too for vcr like capabilities with auto encoding to psp format would be nice too. but instead they don't really seem to want u to use the feature.