Someone sold me a pirated PC game

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: tk149

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: thilanliyan

This guy is from India and from what I know certain markets have games that are cheaper don't they (and some don't include online play)? I've bought a game for cheap from Thailand before and the game was legit (manual was in Thai but the game was in English and case was proper too).

thats called "grey market" and is also illegal.

Why is it illegal? If a person lives in Thailand and buys the game, it's legal. If he then resells the game to someone in Thailand, it's legal. Why is it illegal for someone to buy a product in one place and then resell it in another? It's possible that there is a formal Distribution Agreement, so Thailand Retail Store can't directly sell to someone in the U.S., but that's a private contract.

Because free trade is only for corporations seeking to reduce labor costs. Its not for consumers silly!

 

[SuPrEIVIE]

interesting i hope your case works out for you OP, i remember someone trying to sell their WOW account which is a gray area as well, through paypal, but when the buyer paid he got nervous and filed for unauthorized payment immediately afterwards, in this case however transaction was purely digital and transaction like these through paypal the buyer always wins. So if you wanna ever try gray market again for games hopefully not but prob be better idea to make sure it is a digital transaction.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Holy fuck you bought a game from a website with a yahoo.co.in email address? And they don't even have a $10 domain name? You deserve to lose your money.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: Astrallite
LOOK UP THE DEFINITION OF GREY MARKET, GENIUS, IT EVEN SAYS ITS LEGAL

nerd rage lol.

I stand corrected on the legality of grey market.

 

[marmasatt]

Originally posted by: zerocool84
This is why I don't use Paypal any more cus they offer almost no protection but you took the chance from buying from a shady seller and got reamed. You probably won't get anything out of this. Just take it as a lesson to buy only from reliable sources.

Paypal is unbelievable. I don't mean to continue w/ the PP bashing. But they profess that they have all these securities and protections but they WILL NOT do a thing to protect you if you get burned. I bought a misrepresented item from Tiger Direct using PP and I had to get through to management or their special services dept. to get anyone to even listen to me...I finally got some help after a month and a half and a half dozen emails and calls.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: thilanliyan

I know I want this guy to stop but the Paypal charges may end up being more than the game...and it looks like something is happening because he can't receive money anymore from that website.

His website was posted from this provider.

He has closed that paypal account, opened another, and made another free website somewhere.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: thilanliyan
So I bought a game from this guys website:
http://entertainment2011.webs.com/pcgamesstore.htm

I originally found him through ebay but he asked me to use his website instead so I said okay but asked him several times if the games are new and legit and he said yes (even says on his website the games are new and unused).

I opened a dispute with Paypal but they said they don't offer buyer protection for this purchase. Should I try to get my credit card company to reverse the payment? I'm pretty sure Paypal will charge me for that...anyone know how much?

You got scammed bro, and you deserved it. I don't know how many more times eBay and PayPal can put in big, bold letters on practically every page of their site and in almost daily emails they send out to all eBay users:

"DO NOT EVER AGREE TO BUY SOMETHING FROM A BUYER OUTSIDE OF EBAY!"

 

[ArchAngel777]

There are a ton of tools in this thread. Very few people 'deserve' to get scammed. That idea is so idiotic in the first place. People have a warped sense of justice when they say things like that.

Does someone deserve to get raped if they dress in a manner that entice? Do they? Based on the POS logic a bunch of you have, you would effectively say yes. No deserves to get scammed unless they ask to get scammed. Remember who the bad people are - the ones hwo are trying to scam, not the person who is scammed. Lets not forgot that.

Thilan - Sorry man.. I'd cut your losses, not worth the hassle IMO.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
There are a ton of tools in this thread. Very few people 'deserve' to get scammed. That idea is so idiotic in the first place. People have a warped sense of justice when they say things like that.

Does someone deserve to get raped if they dress in a manner that entice? Do they? Based on the POS logic a bunch of you have, you would effectively say yes. No deserves to get scammed unless they ask to get scammed. Remember who the bad people are - the ones hwo are trying to scam, not the person who is scammed. Lets not forgot that.

Thilan - Sorry man.. I'd cut your losses, not worth the hassle IMO.

If it wasn't for people like the OP there wouldn't be so many scammers making so much money and filling my inbox with junk. People like the OP are part of the problem.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
There are a ton of tools in this thread. Very few people 'deserve' to get scammed. That idea is so idiotic in the first place. People have a warped sense of justice when they say things like that.

Does someone deserve to get raped if they dress in a manner that entice? Do they? Based on the POS logic a bunch of you have, you would effectively say yes. No deserves to get scammed unless they ask to get scammed. Remember who the bad people are - the ones hwo are trying to scam, not the person who is scammed. Lets not forgot that.

Thilan - Sorry man.. I'd cut your losses, not worth the hassle IMO.

Ah okay...I see...so the OP isn't responsible for being scammed even though eBay and PayPal take every reasonable step, AND THEN SOME, to warn the OP about the scam he fell for?

Okay, dude. :roll:

Your analogy is also totally horrible and completely not applicable. The OP actively went along with the scam, despite eBay and PayPal warning users multiple times in completely obvious ways that he should not go along with said activity that he chose to pursue because it is a scam.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: marmasatt

Originally posted by: zerocool84
This is why I don't use Paypal any more cus they offer almost no protection but you took the chance from buying from a shady seller and got reamed. You probably won't get anything out of this. Just take it as a lesson to buy only from reliable sources.

Paypal is unbelievable. I don't mean to continue w/ the PP bashing. But they profess that they have all these securities and protections but they WILL NOT do a thing to protect you if you get burned. I bought a misrepresented item from Tiger Direct using PP and I had to get through to management or their special services dept. to get anyone to even listen to me...I finally got some help after a month and a half and a half dozen emails and calls.

I lost $300 cus I got no help from Paypal.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777
There are a ton of tools in this thread. Very few people 'deserve' to get scammed. That idea is so idiotic in the first place. People have a warped sense of justice when they say things like that.

Does someone deserve to get raped if they dress in a manner that entice? Do they? Based on the POS logic a bunch of you have, you would effectively say yes. No deserves to get scammed unless they ask to get scammed. Remember who the bad people are - the ones hwo are trying to scam, not the person who is scammed. Lets not forgot that.

Thilan - Sorry man.. I'd cut your losses, not worth the hassle IMO.

Ah okay...I see...so the OP isn't responsible for being scammed even though eBay and PayPal take every reasonable step, AND THEN SOME, to warn the OP about the scam he fell for?

Okay, dude. :roll:

Your analogy is also totally horrible and completely not applicable. The OP actively went along with the scam, despite eBay and PayPal warning users multiple times in completely obvious ways that he should not go along with said activity that he chose to pursue because it is a scam.

not only that, who buys something from a website that looks like that?

 

[alcoholbob]

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: marmasatt

Originally posted by: zerocool84
This is why I don't use Paypal any more cus they offer almost no protection but you took the chance from buying from a shady seller and got reamed. You probably won't get anything out of this. Just take it as a lesson to buy only from reliable sources.

Paypal is unbelievable. I don't mean to continue w/ the PP bashing. But they profess that they have all these securities and protections but they WILL NOT do a thing to protect you if you get burned. I bought a misrepresented item from Tiger Direct using PP and I had to get through to management or their special services dept. to get anyone to even listen to me...I finally got some help after a month and a half and a half dozen emails and calls.

I lost $300 cus I got no help from Paypal.

What exactly did you buy?

 

[SunnyD]

Thilan:

#1 - first and foremost, if you go down the road of using your CC company to do a chargeback against Paycrap, be fully prepared to lose your Paycrap account forever. Paycrap absolutely despises chargebacks, and will do everything in it's power to shaft you. Ergo, if you "don't care", make sure all monies are cleared from your Paycrap account and unlink any bank accounts and credit cards you may have linked to it, otherwise Paycrap can and will try to collect funds (without your authorization mind you) from them.

#2 - you will have little to no recourse through Paycrap even in a dispute. Hell, even if you win a dispute, 9 times out of 10 the seller has cleared the money and Paycrap has no way (legally) to get those funds back. There's only one party Paycrap looks out for in all transactions, and that's themselves.

Armed with this information, proceed at your own risk. Personally, I wish more people would go through the chargeback process and may Paycrap's life a monetary living hell. Unfortunately, people seem to think they can't live without it, despite plenty of other options available to them.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: Astrallite

Originally posted by: zerocool84

Originally posted by: marmasatt

Originally posted by: zerocool84
This is why I don't use Paypal any more cus they offer almost no protection but you took the chance from buying from a shady seller and got reamed. You probably won't get anything out of this. Just take it as a lesson to buy only from reliable sources.

Paypal is unbelievable. I don't mean to continue w/ the PP bashing. But they profess that they have all these securities and protections but they WILL NOT do a thing to protect you if you get burned. I bought a misrepresented item from Tiger Direct using PP and I had to get through to management or their special services dept. to get anyone to even listen to me...I finally got some help after a month and a half and a half dozen emails and calls.

I lost $300 cus I got no help from Paypal.

What exactly did you buy?

A catback-exhaust. A guy hacked into someone's ebay/paypal account. That accout had great feedback and everything but the guy drained the paypal account after I filed a claim and I got nothing back cus the "seller" had no money in the account.

 

[thilanliyan]

OP here...
Yes I'm stupid for going along with it so I learned a lesson.

Originally posted by: SunnyD
Thilan:

#1 - first and foremost, if you go down the road of using your CC company to do a chargeback against Paycrap, be fully prepared to lose your Paycrap account forever. Paycrap absolutely despises chargebacks, and will do everything in it's power to shaft you. Ergo, if you "don't care", make sure all monies are cleared from your Paycrap account and unlink any bank accounts and credit cards you may have linked to it, otherwise Paycrap can and will try to collect funds (without your authorization mind you) from them.

I do plan to talk to my CC company and am in the process of getting all my financial info removed. BUT even after I've removed my credit cards and bank accounts, can they still charge me somehow through former financial info? I remember I removed my bank account a while back and then recently when I wanted to re-add it the info was already there. So what I'm asking is can they still charge me with financial info they may have on file?

Unfortunately, people seem to think they can't live without it, despite plenty of other options available to them.

Can you point me to some other options? I just don't know of any. The only other one I've heard of is Bidpay but I figured that was just like Paypal.

 

[CP5670]

Bidpay is bad for the buyer, as it sends a (physical) money order to the seller and charges the buyer a $5-ish fee. I used it a lot several years ago when most ebay sellers in Europe would only take that, but there is no reason to use it today.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

You really should have taken a look at some of the other links on his website. Check this out Titanic in HD

The Blu-ray hasn't even come out yet but he is selling a 720p DVD-R rip (likely from a HDTV broadcast) with the following tagline, "THE 11 times oscar winner movie comes in high definition and comes in a dvd disc !!!!! You can view this movie ONLY IN YOUR PS3, XBOX 360 and PC. u dont need a blu-ray or HD-dvd player. An ordinary dvd drive is enough to view this movie in the above 3 systems " Plus there's another page where it's pretty obvious he's selling DVD rips as well.

 

[thilanliyan]

I never looked at that but in terms of the games he stated they were new and unused with full online capabilities (even though I wasn't going to use them) so I assumed it was legit.

 

[cyclohexane]

the website is horrible, can't believe someone would actually go there thinking the games/movies are legit.

 

[TheVrolok]

Terrible idea. Thinking buying from grey markets is legit? Wow. I'd just take the loss and chalk it up to being an idiot. Lesson learned, move on.

 

[Rangoric]

Originally posted by: TheVrolok
Terrible idea. Thinking buying from grey markets is legit? Wow. I'd just take the loss and chalk it up to being an idiot. Lesson learned, move on.

Since this is rather interesting (since grey market generally means legal) but what makes grey market not legit?

As a purchaser of imported games on occasion, I'd like to know what law is being broken. (First Sale Doctrine in the US protects me in most cases)

 

[thilanliyan]

Ugh...I think I've decided to just take the loss and not try to do a chargeback to avoid any hassles. Anyone think I absolutely should try to do a chargeback? Would it even affect the seller if he's removed/changed his account (if it affects the seller I'd do it)?

Again, what alternatives are there to Paypal? I just don't know of any more.

 

[KeypoX]

lol that guys website is awesome.

 

[Mike Gayner]

Originally posted by: thilanliyan
Ugh...I think I've decided to just take the loss and not try to do a chargeback to avoid any hassles. Anyone think I absolutely should try to do a chargeback? Would it even affect the seller if he's removed/changed his account (if it affects the seller I'd do it)?

Again, what alternatives are there to Paypal? I just don't know of any more.

Why wouldn't you do a chargeback? You have nothing to lose at this point.