Someone sold me a pirated PC game

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: minmaster
yup there was that whole steam fiasco where everyone bought cheap keys from thailand and everyone got their keys banned.

Something on Steam I can understand but I was never going to play online anyway which is why I don't mind getting a game with reduced online functionality if the price is lower (which is what I believe is sold sometimes in some Asian markets).

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: lupi
what papal fees, you do this with your CC company.

Don't paypal charge fees from the buyer if the transaction is reversed by the CC company? I thought they do that and is sorta what I gathered from talking to them today although they were purposely being vague.

 

[EvilComputer92]

That guy seems like a pretentious fool from his website. I would report him immediately to any publisher of the games he has listed. All of the things on his website are without a doubt pirated copies.

At the minimum I would at least threaten to report him to the SIIA. At the very least his site will be taken down.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: EvilComputer92
At the minimum I would at least threaten to report him to the SIIA. At the very least his site will be taken down.

Do they have jurisdiction outside of North America? I emailed him again but I doubt he would respond of course.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: thilanliyan

Originally posted by: lupi
what papal fees, you do this with your CC company.

Don't paypal charge fees from the buyer if the transaction is reversed by the CC company? I thought they do that and is sorta what I gathered from talking to them today although they were purposely being vague.

How are they going to charge you? Empty your paypal account, disconnect your bank account (though I think they were sued over pulling funds from bank accounts without specific authorization so I don't think they are doing that anymore) and dispute with the CC company. Paypal might close your account, but screw 'em.

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: thilanliyan

Originally posted by: lupi
what papal fees, you do this with your CC company.

Don't paypal charge fees from the buyer if the transaction is reversed by the CC company? I thought they do that and is sorta what I gathered from talking to them today although they were purposely being vague.

How are they going to charge you? Empty your paypal account, disconnect your bank account (though I think they were sued over pulling funds from bank accounts without specific authorization so I don't think they are doing that anymore) and dispute with the CC company. Paypal might close your account, but screw 'em.

Yeah I think I'm leaning towards trying to get it reversed by the CC company. I'm gonna call Paypal tomorrow and see if I can get a straight answer about what/if I will be charged.

 

[JSt0rm]

dont buy grey market items either.

 

[lupi]

don't bother talking to PP, that's why you use a CC. Last time I did this they sent me an email asking why I hadn't used their security service (for the lulz there); I just ignored them and happily had the CC company give me the money back.

 

[mwmorph]

Originally posted by: thilanliyan

Originally posted by: mwmorph
Screw payapl. It's a lesson I learned long ago. Never, ever trust your money to non CC paypal. Reverse CC charges, move on and never, ever use paypal again. Paypal has about as much buyer protection as if they'd just mugged you. It's the biggest reason I will never use anything that cannot accept CC for purchases.

It was done by CC but the problem is that Paypal will charge a fee (undetermined and they were not willing to say how much it would be) when the CC company reverses the charge.

Could Paypal actually charge in fees more than what the cost of the item was?

Stop payment on the charge then and never use paypal again. It is literally the worst thing I've trust with money ever.

 

[CP5670]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
thats called "grey market" and is also illegal.

Gray market stuff is quite legal. However, what this seller is doing obviously doesn't fall into that category.

 

[alcoholbob]

Originally posted by: thilanliyan

Originally posted by: astrosfan315
If it makes you feel anybetter, if you click the paypal button on his site you get a nice message from paypal. "This recipient is currently unable to receive money."

Damn it...happens now after I purchased. Paypal said they won't do anything...and they'll charge me a fee (the guy on the phone wouldn't even tell me exactly how much the fee would be...he said minimum $10) if my CC company reverses the payment...what BS.

What do ya'll think?? Lesson learned and just forget about it? Or contact my CC company to try to get it reversed?

The customer service rep was a moron, the MERCHANT gets a $10 chargeback fee, not the buyer

 

[thilanliyan]

Thanks for all the input everyone...I'll take it up with my CC company.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: thilanliyan

Originally posted by: minmaster
yup there was that whole steam fiasco where everyone bought cheap keys from thailand and everyone got their keys banned.

Something on Steam I can understand but I was never going to play online anyway which is why I don't mind getting a game with reduced online functionality if the price is lower (which is what I believe is sold sometimes in some Asian markets).

No, what you are talking about is bootleg crap which is exactly what you paid for. If you are buying software for ridiculously cheap prices from Asia, you are not buying legit software.

 

[Mike Gayner]

Originally posted by: Malak

Originally posted by: thilanliyan

Originally posted by: minmaster
yup there was that whole steam fiasco where everyone bought cheap keys from thailand and everyone got their keys banned.

Something on Steam I can understand but I was never going to play online anyway which is why I don't mind getting a game with reduced online functionality if the price is lower (which is what I believe is sold sometimes in some Asian markets).

No, what you are talking about is bootleg crap which is exactly what you paid for. If you are buying software for ridiculously cheap prices from Asia, you are not buying legit software.

No, retard, not all software is sold at the same price in every market. Some markets do get legitimate software significantly cheaper than the US.

 

[thilanliyan]

nm

 

[alcoholbob]

Originally posted by: thilanliyan
Thanks for all the input everyone...I'll take it up with my CC company.

To win a case, you need to contact the merchant and ask for a return. If he refuses to accept a return, you win the case, provided you prove his statement in writing (print out an email). If he states he accepts a return, you have to return it.

Depends on the CC company though, most of them have "write off" amounts (usually around $25-35), which means they are just paying you from their own GL (taking a loss essentially) and the merchant gets off scott free.

 

[novasatori]

I hate paypal

Good luck with a charge back, let us know how it goes.

 

[skyofavalon]

He is running a pretty good deal now.Buy any 2 PC games and get the 3rd free. I may bite.

 

[kalrith]

Originally posted by: skyofavalon
He is running a pretty good deal now.Buy any 2 PC games and get the 3rd free. I may bite.

I hope you're joking.

 

[AdamK47]

This part of his email address would have stopped me right away: @yahoo.co.in

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: Astrallite

Originally posted by: thilanliyan
Thanks for all the input everyone...I'll take it up with my CC company.

To win a case, you need to contact the merchant and ask for a return. If he refuses to accept a return, you win the case, provided you prove his statement in writing (print out an email). If he states he accepts a return, you have to return it.

He's not even replying...I've CC'd myself on the email I sent yesterday. I sent an email 2 days ago too...I didn't expect him to respond anyway.

 

[darom]

Another vote against using PayPal. I got burnt personally using it. Here is some interesting reading material:
http://www.paypalsucks.com

 

[tk149]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: thilanliyan

This guy is from India and from what I know certain markets have games that are cheaper don't they (and some don't include online play)? I've bought a game for cheap from Thailand before and the game was legit (manual was in Thai but the game was in English and case was proper too).

thats called "grey market" and is also illegal.

Why is it illegal? If a person lives in Thailand and buys the game, it's legal. If he then resells the game to someone in Thailand, it's legal. Why is it illegal for someone to buy a product in one place and then resell it in another? It's possible that there is a formal Distribution Agreement, so Thailand Retail Store can't directly sell to someone in the U.S., but that's a private contract.

 

[alcoholbob]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01
thats called "grey market" and is also illegal.

LOOK UP THE DEFINITION OF GREY MARKET, GENIUS, IT EVEN SAYS ITS LEGAL

How is it illegal to buy something overseas? Certain companies segment the market such as video game manufacturers by making the game not run in machines in other markets (Sony no longer does so; any games will run on any PS3 system without modding).

By modding the manufacturers might void your warranty, that's not the same thing as illegal.

Don't confuse "company policy" with "law."

 

[minmaster]

diff. regions get diff. pricing for distribution only in that region. there are contracts that limit the sales to only within that region for various reasons. sorta like the reason why iTunes has different stores for different regions/countries. for ex., i can't buy a song from iTunes that a french iTunes store only carries. i must be a resident of france to do so.