Some reasons why you should be a liberal rather than a conservative

[ebaycj]

Yep they don't even pay the taxes that they so love to be "charitable" with.

That is why the premise of being a Liberal as stated by the OP fails.

Liberals do everything they can to enslave the poor rather than lift them up.

Liberals don't pay taxes? Really? Proof?

 

[ebaycj]

Wait a second. Everytime I see conservatives here use religious reasons to prove political points they are called zealots and nazis.

We are barred from invoking scripture to bar gay marriage, we are similarly barred with respect to abortion. Every little point we want to make has to be so squeaky-secular that it hurts.

I ask that, if you wish to make such an argument, at least follow your own rules.

Why? Don't want to live your life in a way that Jesus would approve of?

 

[Robor]

Pick up a history book. The liberals were the ones who lead the charge against civil rights legislation with their ring leader being a former KKK member.

Did I mention that person was the DNC chairman and currently serves in the Senate as a Democrat?

The fact that you have to twist past and present facts is a clear indication that you are nothing more than a partisan dishonest troll. How much do you get paid to spew this shit?

 

[piasabird]

Jesus said "You will always have the poor . . ." Read your Bible!

When one brother asked Jesus to intervene on his behalf when his brother was to inherit all of his father's property, Jesus refused.

Jesus also preached "you can not deny Justice . . ." See the parables.

Jesus was very compassionate, he healed the sick and even rose some from the dead. He never intervened in matters of money!

Jesus Gospel is about being free not being a slave to the government!

Isaiah said "And the government shall be upon his shouders . . ."

Do you even know Jesus? Have you read the Bible from Cover to Cover? Have you considered the precepts of his message and prayed for his help?

How much money have you donated to the Church or to the poor? Taxes do not count. Have you paid your honest 10% Tithe?

Free people will have more money to donate.

 

[werepossum]

The fact that you have to twist past and present facts is a clear indication that you are nothing more than a partisan dishonest troll. How much do you get paid to spew this shit?

Senator Robert KKK Byrd sound familiar?

The people marching against civil rights were certainly Democrats, although I don't think I would call them liberals in most cases (Byrd obviously being the exception, the man never met a handout or government program he didn't like.) And some of them are now Republicans. But it is true that the Democrat Party is not happy unless government is oppressing someone, even if that someone changes from time to time. I guess the important thing with Democrats is that government exercise its power, not so much how. LOL

 

[Robor]

Senator Robert KKK Byrd sound familiar?

The people marching against civil rights were certainly Democrats, although I don't think I would call them liberals in most cases (Byrd obviously being the exception, the man never met a handout or government program he didn't like.) And some of them are now Republicans.

And how long ago was that again? Next you're going to tell me the modern day (R) party is the friend of the black man because Lincoln freed the slaves.

But it is true that the Democrat Party is not happy unless government is oppressing someone, even if that someone changes from time to time. I guess the important thing with Democrats is that government exercise its power, not so much how. LOL

 

[blackangst1]

And how long ago was that again? Next you're going to tell me the modern day (R) party is the friend of the black man because Lincoln freed the slaves.

YOU are the one who said, just a few posts ago,

The fact that you have to twist past and present facts

So when the past FACTS are reminded to you, dont pull that shit.

 

[Robor]

YOU are the one who said, just a few posts ago,

What?

So when the past FACTS are reminded to you, dont pull that shit.

What 'facts'? PaTrollUs trying to label the modern day (D) party as racists? Sorry, fail.

 

[Moonbeam]

I can't decide if I should post something useful or if I should just go away shaking my head.

Your entire OP is one big generality based on stereotypes just poor comprehension. It's like saying that Jesus drove a white car so obviously he like white people better and if you don't drive a white car it means that you don't love Jesus and spit on everything he believes in. Assume for the moment that Jesus actually drove a white car. Whatever problems you can find in the hypothetical scenario I just mentioned can be said about the OP.

It was carefully crafted to fit the mentality here and still get some meaningful reflection, of course, what kind of reflection I mean, you may not have guessed.

 

[Moonbeam]

Tax dollars would be a good way to teach people how to fish. The government has the money to buy the pond, stock it with fish, and rent the equipment and employ the fishing instructors far better than individuals could.

 

[BoberFett]

Tax dollars would be a good way to teach people how to fish. The government has the money to buy the pond, stock it with fish, and rent the equipment and employ the fishing instructors far better than individuals could.

It'd be great if the government would do that. What "liberals" seem to prefer however is splitting up that money between millions of people and tell those people to raise some goldfish in a puddle.

 

[ShawnD1]

It'd be great if the government would do that. What "liberals" seem to prefer however is splitting up that money between millions of people and tell those people to raise some goldfish in a puddle.

Yeah, fuck public schools. I'm sick of hippy liberals getting more than $120,000 worth of free education. That money would be better spent in the hands of rich people. Doesn't anyone remember trickle-down economics??

 

[BoberFett]

Yeah, fuck public schools. I'm sick of hippy liberals getting more than $120,000 worth of free education. That money would be better spent in the hands of rich people. Doesn't anyone remember trickle-down economics??

If that's what you took from my post, your public school failed you miserably.

 

[Patranus]

The fact that you have to twist past and present facts is a clear indication that you are nothing more than a partisan dishonest troll. How much do you get paid to spew this shit?

What did I twist?

FACT: Robert Byrd is a Senator
FACT: Robert Byrd is a Democrat
FACT: Robert Byrd lead the filibuster of tee 1969 civil rights legislation
FACT: Robert Byrd was a member of the KKK

Please point out how I have twisted the past.

 

[ShawnD1]

If that's what you took from my post, your public school failed you miserably.

i can't afford school or health care in conservatopia but thank god we don't have any government services. spreading wealth is why norway is the poorest country in the world. it's also completely uninhabitable.

 

[Greenman]

Render unto Caesar...............

Finish the quote moonie, "that which is Caesar's". Do you think that applies when Caesar (government) decides that he want's everything? You need to read some more.

I won't respond to the issues you raised because I don't accept your basic thesis. Your commentary was based entirely on your personal hatred of conservatives. It wasn't informative, or in anyway insightful, it was simply more vitriol from a man consumed with loathing for a group of people he doesn't begin to understand. You are everything you accuse conservatives of being moonie. Blind hate, bitterness, contempt for others that you don't feel are your equal. It's what you are. You dismiss anything that might be considered conservative because you believe them to be inferior, and you think they have to be stopped by any means. You apply all sorts of derogatory labels in the hope that you might get someone else to join in your hate, and you get angry when these obviously stupid, inferior people dare to disagree with your bigotry.
With all that said, I don't hate you, I don't even dislike you. I do however take issue when you reach down into the depths of your own hate and try and make it mine.

 

[Greenman]

i can't afford school or health care in conservatopia but thank god we don't have any government services. spreading wealth is why norway is the poorest country in the world. it's also completely uninhabitable.

They're doing pretty well, but sucking money out of the North sea has to be helping just a bit.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Also, how do you reconcile this belief that all conservatives are greedy pricks with the statistics that conservatives are more liberal philanthropists?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/03/conservatives_more_liberal_giv.html

http://philanthropy.com/free/articles/v19/i04/04001101.htm

http://townhall.com/columnists/JohnStossel/2006/12/06/who_gives_to_charity

We have those statistics only because they are reported as tax exemptions. Red states with God-pimps in ten thousand dollar suits begging for more charity money. Ya! Something stinks here!

 

[rudder]

Jesus did not favor the taxman. Jesus would not have sent out tax men to force people to pay into a inefficient and corrupt government. Jesus would expect people to give of their own free will.

 

[Moonbeam]

Finish the quote moonie, "that which is Caesar's". Do you think that applies when Caesar (government) decides that he want's everything? You need to read some more.

I won't respond to the issues you raised because I don't accept your basic thesis. Your commentary was based entirely on your personal hatred of conservatives. It wasn't informative, or in anyway insightful, it was simply more vitriol from a man consumed with loathing for a group of people he doesn't begin to understand. You are everything you accuse conservatives of being moonie. Blind hate, bitterness, contempt for others that you don't feel are your equal. It's what you are. You dismiss anything that might be considered conservative because you believe them to be inferior, and you think they have to be stopped by any means. You apply all sorts of derogatory labels in the hope that you might get someone else to join in your hate, and you get angry when these obviously stupid, inferior people dare to disagree with your bigotry.
With all that said, I don't hate you, I don't even dislike you. I do however take issue when you reach down into the depths of your own hate and try and make it mine.

I didn't know you existed.

 

[Moonbeam]

Jesus did not favor the taxman. Jesus would not have sent out tax men to force people to pay into a inefficient and corrupt government. Jesus would expect people to give of their own free will.

Expecting people to give on their own? I guess that's why he preached, OK folks do what you want.

 

[Moonbeam]

It'd be great if the government would do that. What "liberals" seem to prefer however is splitting up that money between millions of people and tell those people to raise some goldfish in a puddle.

There's good money in fancy goldfish. I won't, however, dispute that you have a point.

Private charity, thought of value, however, won't even buy a puddle.

 

[LunarRay]

I can see why some folks can't be Christian. To be Christian means to attempt to follow the teaching of Jesus. One notion is to give all what you have to those who are in need. It is not for you to judge the degree of their need nor if they are needy at all... IF they, the needy, appear to need then it is to you to supply the remedy to the extent you can... even unto everything.

There are reasons folks choose to be athiest... it is far easier than to be a Christian... a real Christian.
To see a Church all garnished in gold and ivory is an assault on the very teaching that the Church seeks to propound.
To hear a 'preacher' ask for money is the voice of evil. The voice of goodness would say to look about you and feed the poor even if it means breaking a bit off your own piece of bread.
Conservatives and Liberals and all those in between are Earthly labels. Read the beatitudes in Mark's work. Ask what is meant by the term 'Righteousness' and 'Peacemakers'.

 

[Moonbeam]

piasabird: Jesus said "You will always have the poor . . ." Read your Bible!

M: It is one thing to read. It is another to understand what you have read. Perhaps you can tell me what you will always have them means. Why will we always have them?

p: When one brother asked Jesus to intervene on his behalf when his brother was to inherit all of his father's property, Jesus refused.

M: And what does that tell you?

p: Jesus also preached "you can not deny Justice . . ." See the parables.

M: My expression for this is that nothing can stand before the Will of God.

p: Jesus was very compassionate, he healed the sick and even rose some from the dead. He never intervened in matters of money!

M: What about the money tables He knocked over?

p: Jesus Gospel is about being free not being a slave to the government!

Isaiah said "And the government shall be upon his shouders . . ."

M: I don't know. I am not wise enough to understand Jesus.

p: Do you even know Jesus?

M: No, I am not that fortunate. I couldn't go that way.

p: Have you read the Bible from Cover to Cover? Have you considered the precepts of his message and prayed for his help?

M: I am no longer a Christian. I could not find His grace.

p: How much money have you donated to the Church or to the poor? Taxes do not count. Have you paid your honest 10% Tithe?

M: I don't go to church.

p: Free people will have more money to donate.

M: They will also be able to pay more tax, no?

 

[ShawnD1]

Jesus did not favor the taxman. Jesus would not have sent out tax men to force people to pay into a inefficient and corrupt government. Jesus would expect people to give of their own free will.

Jesus said that rich people don't get into heaven. Liberals are a bit more skeptical as to whether or not hell exists, so we cut the middle man and send your ass to jail when you don't give your money away. On a more positive note, tax evaders who get stabbed in prison probably go to heaven because they died poor.

They're doing pretty well, but sucking money out of the North sea has to be helping just a bit.

Fair enough, but many other countries have lots of social programs and are doing well. Australia is ranked as #2 best country by the UN, the country has universal health care, the citizens are some of the happiest people in the world (2006), university is incredibly cheap, and child care is heavily subsidized.

Seems like a nice socialist place to live. If you get sick, you'll be ok. If you have a kid, you won't stress too much over the cost of day care. If your kids are smart, they can go to university without asking how much it will cost. Seems like the government is really there to help you learn how to fish. This would be the complete opposite of the US where getting sick with no insurance means you die or go bankrupt, going to school means getting tens of thousands of dollars in debt (good luck getting anyone to lend you 30k when you're 18 years old), and having a child means you're completely fucked financially. How will you pay the $8,000 per year per child for daycare? Sorry but you should have thought of that before!