Some reasons why you should be a liberal rather than a conservative

[Moonbeam]

One reason is because, as a nation that is mostly Christian, we want to honor the work of Jesus and emulate his life.

Jesus cared for the poor as liberals do. He did not deny them because they were weak or unworthy. He was crucified with thieves, just like the right claims democrats are with it comes to taxing the rich and giving to the poor. That is part of ones religious duty anyway, so what matters if it is also the secular law.

Watch how in everything conservatives say about welfare there is this hate of folk who can't make it on their own, as if being lucky yourself to have capacity and the good fortune to have been born where you can make something of yourself, some how gives you the right of righteous indignation, and some sick need to look down your nose at those who have to struggle. Never mind that some people don't have much in the way of IQ to do lucrative work, or may have been badly damaged, emotionally, as children. Jesus came with his message for these, the meek who will inherit the earth.

So you can be a nice loving liberal or an egotistical pig conservative.

Do not post to tell me I'm trolling or that my thoughts are on a low level. They are posted in P&N which if filled to the brim with idiots. The above, while able to be put far more eloquently, I am sure, is still basic fact.

 

[Genx87]

/golfclap

 

[spidey07]

Jesus also taught self reliance, so fuck poor people. They are poor because of their own bad decisions.

 

[mav451]

Jesus also taught self reliance, so fuck poor people. They are poor because of their own bad decisions.

To expound on this, there is a difference between the truly needy and those who are just getting free lunch. Once you start paying taxes, you will start to question who actually deserves help and who should help themselves.

 

[Vette73]

Jesus also taught self reliance, so fuck poor people. They are poor because of their own bad decisions.

Esp them gays, darkies, etc... right spidy?

 

[JS80]

Jesus also taught self reliance, so fuck poor people. They are poor because of their own bad decisions.

There is no such thing as a poor person in the US. Please show me one poor person.

 

[JS80]

Esp them gays, darkies, etc... right spidy?

When has spidey ever been a lacist?

 

[EagleKeeper]

Liberals care for the poor?

Look at their donation rates!
They only care when they can reach into SOMEONE ELSEs wallets for their pet projects

 

[Genx87]

To expound on this, there is a difference between the truly needy and those who are just getting free lunch. Once you start paying taxes, you will start to question who actually deserves help and who should help themselves.

Moonbeam types truely believe to be on a state welfare program is a benefit and not a crutch. They dont see the pressure it puts on people while also providing disencentive to work for a better life. The economic feudalism they cry about often resides within the very programs they promote.

 

[Genx87]

Esp them gays, darkies, etc... right spidy?

Yeah, when i go to Catholic mass that is all they talk about. Make sure to fuck the gays and the darkies. That was a pretty weak and lame attempt at a derailment.

 

[Jaskalas]

I do not believe Jesus would have wanted the poor to become dependant slaves of the elite ruling class as Democrats make of them.

 

[CPA]

troll

 

[Ausm]

There is no such thing as a poor person in the US. Please show me one poor person.

You don't get out much I take it?

I sense Moonbeam is sampling the Egg nog early

 

[EagleKeeper]

There is no such thing as a poor person in the US. Please show me one poor person.

You don't get out much I take it?

The classification of poor is relative.

Homeless may be considered poor by some, but many do not feel that way themselves.

Poor is a label put on others based on social standing.
The classifying of a person as poor allows justificaiton for guilt feelings to be tossed around and play upon others

 

[JS80]

You don't get out much I take it?

I sense Moonbeam is sampling the Egg nog early

I grew up in the LA ghetto, went to magnet schools all my life, and myself was a penniless immigrant, yet I never considered my family nor any of my peers as "poor." There is no such thing as "poor" in the US. If you want to see poor go to Africa.

 

[Mursilis]

Watch how in everything conservatives say about welfare there is this hate of folk who can't make it on their own.

There is a difference between "can't" and "won't".

 

[OCGuy]

Fwd:fwd:fwd:fwd:

Send it to 50 people in the next hour or you will have 7 years of bad luck!

 

[Blackjack200]

I grew up in the LA ghetto, went to magnet schools all my life, and myself was a penniless immigrant, yet I never considered my family nor any of my peers as "poor." There is no such thing as "poor" in the US. If you want to see poor go to Africa.

MC Hammer is poor.

 

[Ausm]

I grew up in the LA ghetto, went to magnet schools all my life, and myself was a penniless immigrant, yet I never considered my family nor any of my peers as "poor." There is no such thing as "poor" in the US. If you want to see poor go to Africa.

I guess that makes you an expert then?? WTF does Africa have to do with the OP's thread in the first place? I think he is referring to this country.

 

[MovingTarget]

Moonbeam types truely believe to be on a state welfare program is a benefit and not a crutch. They dont see the pressure it puts on people while also providing disencentive to work for a better life. The economic feudalism they cry about often resides within the very programs they promote.

What is wrong with poor people using a crutch from time to time? I know many, many people (including my own family) who had to apply for welfare/foodstamps when times were tough. In this economy, public assistance is all that keeps people from complete financial ruin. When you are down on your luck, you do need something to lean on.

I do get your point - to teach a man to fish is much better than giving him one every day to make sure he doesn't starve. But I ask you this - how much opportunity is there today for an unemployed person to better themselves? How could they afford trade school or proper ESL classes for example? You still need to give the man a fish while he still learns the trade.

Seems to me the real way to help the poor as a matter of government policy is to take a more balanced approach. Yes - restrict the amount of time one can receive assistance (IIRC, they did this during the welfare reform in the 90s) - but be sure that proper programs are in place so that they can get back on their feet again. This last part is heavily lacking.

 

[SilentRunning]

Liberals care for the poor?

Look at their donation rates!
They only care when they can reach into SOMEONE ELSEs wallets for their pet projects

Yep they don't even pay the taxes that they so love to be "charitable" with.

That is why the premise of being a Liberal as stated by the OP fails.

Liberals do everything they can to enslave the poor rather than lift them up.

 

[Genx87]

What is wrong with poor people using a crutch from time to time? I know many, many people (including my own family) who had to apply for welfare/foodstamps when times were tough. In this economy, public assistance is all that keeps people from complete financial ruin. When you are down on your luck, you do need something to lean on.

I do get your point - to teach a man to fish is much better than giving him one every day to make sure he doesn't starve. But I ask you this - how much opportunity is there today for an unemployed person to better themselves? How could they afford trade school or proper ESL classes for example? You still need to give the man a fish while he still learns the trade.

Seems to me the real way to help the poor as a matter of government policy is to take a more balanced approach. Yes - restrict the amount of time one can receive assistance (IIRC, they did this during the welfare reform in the 90s) - but be sure that proper programs are in place so that they can get back on their feet again. This last part is heavily lacking.

I dont have a problem with a helping hand at times. My problem lies with institutionalized and trans generation dependence. And often times the state encourages this behavior. My mother in law as a single mother back in the 80s applied for food stamps and was instructed by the state to quit her job for more benefits. That is a terrible msg to have the state tell people on the system. She refused due to not wanting to set a poor example for her 3 daughters. But how many people are lured into such a trap and not able to get out once in?????

 

[Fern]

One reason is because, as a nation that is mostly Christian, we want to honor the work of Jesus and emulate his life.

Jesus cared for the poor as liberals do. He did not deny them because they were weak or unworthy. He was crucified with thieves, just like the right claims democrats are with it comes to taxing the rich and giving to the poor. That is part of ones religious duty anyway, so what matters if it is also the secular law.

"so what matters if it is also the secular law."

I don't think the secular government is adept at doling out charity to the truly needy. Sure, with their shotgun approach they reach some, but there are many others on the gov tit who are just gaming the system. I.e., secular/government charity is an enabler for the criminals: those who steal from us and the truly needy.

By passing laws that allow the government to take from others and fund their (poorly designed and administered) programs we are NOT
relieved from our responsibilities to help the needy. We are not doing 'good works' by sluffing it off on others: "go see the gov if you need help, gov if you need money go get it from the richer person".

So no, we shouldn't rely on the government to fullfil that need/responsibility (being charitable) for us. The extent to which liberals want the government to intrude upon our lives and handle our responsibilities never ceases to amaze me. ("You need the gov to handle your charity role.)

Anyway, the gov is much like the mafia; they want to get into the 'charity business' so they can gain power and take their cut of the money. They just wanna grow their organization and keep flying around on private plans and living in privilege & power. When I see politicians and big bureoucrats acting more responsibly and humbly I may reconsider. For now I consider most liberals, though possibly well intentioned, naive about government and the intentions of those running it.

Watch how in everything conservatives say about welfare there is this hate of folk who can't make it on their own, as if being lucky yourself to have capacity and the good fortune to have been born where you can make something of yourself, some how gives you the right of righteous indignation, and some sick need to look down your nose at those who have to struggle. Never mind that some people don't have much in the way of IQ to do lucrative work, or may have been badly damaged, emotionally, as children. Jesus came with his message for these, the meek who will inherit the earth.

So you can be a nice loving liberal or an egotistical pig conservative.

Really?

That's the only choice?

Logical fallacy FTW!

Do not post to tell me I'm trolling or that my thoughts are on a low level. They are posted in P&N which if filled to the brim with idiots. The above, while able to be put far more eloquently, I am sure, is still basic fact.

You're so terribly invested in your sterotypes I won't bother to disabuse you of them.

Fern

 

[irwincur]

Liberals and democrates aren't out to help the poor. They are out to keep them dumb and poor - and voting for them, via handouts and freebies.

Duh...

Not to mention, the core of Christianity is that God gave humans free will - to be as productive or worthless as they choose. No one to blame but yourself. This is the opposite of liberal beliefs - they are always playing the blame game.

 

[elmro]

I'm not sure that Jesus would advocate using force to take from those who have (against their will) to give to those who don't have anything.

Are there any examples of this in the Bible?