Some pharmacists refusing to dispense birth control pills because of religious beliefs

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
It it not a pharmacist's place to decide whether or not you have access to medicine prescribed to you by a DOCTOR.

See my post above.

Go to another pharmacy.

A business should and does have the right to refuse service to anyone so long as it's not based on race, creed or religion.

Then they need to have a notification on the outside of the store indicating that they DONOT dispense birth control. You can't say nothing, wait until the women come in, and then give them lectures about your moral beliefs. I tell you this much, if a pharmacist started lecturing my gf on the morality of sex before marriage, I'd go ape-sh!t.

-Max

What next? Big gold stars on the outside of Jewish stores?

You will be notified the minute the doctor says no. You don;t have to wait around for his whole speech. You're free to leave.

NO utter bullsh!t. Usually I respect your opinions Amused... but in this case you're telling me that a public business is justified in harssing customers with their religious beliefs... In places where religion is particularly prevalent this is out and out persecution.

And you think this is somehow ok?

-Max

Why does the pharmacist suddenly give up his freedom of speech because it offends you?

Where in the First Amendment does it exclude business owners, or pharmacists in particular?

You're just playing devil's advocate here... there is no way you can possibly think that luring someone into your store, denying them a MEDICAL prescription, and then lecturing them on your medical beliefs is acceptable. This is persecution.... free speech is not carte blanche... it doesnt give you the right to harass people. If you don't want to sell the product fine.... make it clear that your store does not, and voila you have made your free speech. Not posting it, luring people into the pharmacy, and then harassing them. IS NOT FREE SPEECH, it is HARASSMENT.

-Max

Good GAWD, who's the nut job here???

It is NOT persecution to speak to someone about your religious beliefs. It is NOT harassment to talk to someone about your beliefs.

They did NOT lure anyone in.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
It it not a pharmacist's place to decide whether or not you have access to medicine prescribed to you by a DOCTOR.

See my post above.

Go to another pharmacy.

A business should and does have the right to refuse service to anyone so long as it's not based on race, creed or religion.

You can't refuse services based on religious or racial believes.

BASED ON THE BELIEFS OF THE CUSTOMER.

If I refuse to sell beer, I can refuse to sell it as long as I refuse equally to ALL RACES AND RELIGIONS.

This is what they are doing. It';s not as if they are selling the pills only to christians and not to jews.

Good GAWD, people. Are you all this fscking daft???

There is big difference between beer and drugs. You don't need to go to a college and get licensed to sell beer. As a farmacist, you're providing a very important service to the community. Not having a beer won't affect your life. Getting pregnant will. Yes, I agree it's not unlawful to refuse to sell birth control pills. On the other hand it goes against whatever oaths they make you take as a farmacist. It's like you going to a hospital and the doctor refusing to reattach you limbs because it's against his religious belives to alter human body.

If the farmacist in question has problem with birth control, fine there are million other proffesion he can choose.

No where in the Constitution does it say Pharmacists are exempted from the First Amendment.

Pharmacists can refuse to sell birth control, just like Doctors can refuse to perform abortions.

If you don't like it, find another pharmacist.

Oh and for the record a pharmacist who imposes his religious beliefs on others is a pig dog fvckhead who should die of skin cancer.

JMHO

Oh that's real mature.

And he's not "imposing" anything. He is simply refusing to do something he objects to.

The REAL travesty would be FORCING people to do things they object to.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
It it not a pharmacist's place to decide whether or not you have access to medicine prescribed to you by a DOCTOR.

See my post above.

Go to another pharmacy.

A business should and does have the right to refuse service to anyone so long as it's not based on race, creed or religion.

Then they need to have a notification on the outside of the store indicating that they DONOT dispense birth control. You can't say nothing, wait until the women come in, and then give them lectures about your moral beliefs. I tell you this much, if a pharmacist started lecturing my gf on the morality of sex before marriage, I'd go ape-sh!t.

-Max

What next? Big gold stars on the outside of Jewish stores?

You will be notified the minute the doctor says no. You don;t have to wait around for his whole speech. You're free to leave.

NO utter bullsh!t. Usually I respect your opinions Amused... but in this case you're telling me that a public business is justified in harssing customers with their religious beliefs... In places where religion is particularly prevalent this is out and out persecution.

And you think this is somehow ok?

-Max

Why does the pharmacist suddenly give up his freedom of speech because it offends you?

Where in the First Amendment does it exclude business owners, or pharmacists in particular?

You're just playing devil's advocate here... there is no way you can possibly think that luring someone into your store, denying them a MEDICAL prescription, and then lecturing them on your medical beliefs is acceptable. This is persecution.... free speech is not carte blanche... it doesnt give you the right to harass people. If you don't want to sell the product fine.... make it clear that your store does not, and voila you have made your free speech. Not posting it, luring people into the pharmacy, and then harassing them. IS NOT FREE SPEECH, it is HARASSMENT.

-Max

Good GAWD, who's the nut job here???

It is NOT persecution to speak to someone about your religious beliefs. It is NOT harassment to talk to someone about your beliefs.

They did NOT lure anyone in.

BS man... you can't possibly belief that this is ok. POST A FVCKING SIGN... it isn't that hard? Why wouldn't you? Why waste all these women's time? I don't have the time to drive all over creation trying to find which pharmacies have pharmacists who actually distribute the drugs their company says they do.

My hope is that all these nut job bastards get fired... so they can form their own "moral" pharmacies.. and leave the rest of us "heathens" alone.

 

[Argo]

Originally posted by: Amused
No where in the Constitution does it say Pharmacists are exempted from the First Amendment.

Pharmacists can refuse to sell birth control, just like Doctors can refuse to perform abortions.

If you don't like it, find another pharmacist.

Doctors can't refuse to perform abortions if they claim to be abortion doctors. I'm not going to go to my dentist and ask him to perform an abortion. As a pharmacist you claim that you will be able to fill ANY prescription I bring to you. That's why they go to school for 7 years. And going to another pharmacy isn't always a valid choice.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
It it not a pharmacist's place to decide whether or not you have access to medicine prescribed to you by a DOCTOR.

See my post above.

Go to another pharmacy.

A business should and does have the right to refuse service to anyone so long as it's not based on race, creed or religion.

You can't refuse services based on religious or racial believes.

BASED ON THE BELIEFS OF THE CUSTOMER.

If I refuse to sell beer, I can refuse to sell it as long as I refuse equally to ALL RACES AND RELIGIONS.

This is what they are doing. It';s not as if they are selling the pills only to christians and not to jews.

Good GAWD, people. Are you all this fscking daft???

There is big difference between beer and drugs. You don't need to go to a college and get licensed to sell beer. As a farmacist, you're providing a very important service to the community. Not having a beer won't affect your life. Getting pregnant will. Yes, I agree it's not unlawful to refuse to sell birth control pills. On the other hand it goes against whatever oaths they make you take as a farmacist. It's like you going to a hospital and the doctor refusing to reattach you limbs because it's against his religious belives to alter human body.

If the farmacist in question has problem with birth control, fine there are million other proffesion he can choose.

No where in the Constitution does it say Pharmacists are exempted from the First Amendment.

Pharmacists can refuse to sell birth control, just like Doctors can refuse to perform abortions.

If you don't like it, find another pharmacist.

Oh and for the record a pharmacist who imposes his religious beliefs on others is a pig dog fvckhead who should die of skin cancer.

JMHO

Oh that's real mature.

And he's not "imposing" anything. He is simply refusing to do something he objects to.

The REAL travesty would be FORCING people to do things they object to.

This is BS. Thats like working at mcdonalds, and refusing to serve beef because you're a vegan.

However I also think it's the pharmacist companies who should fire these people.... would you object to their being fired?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Amused
No where in the Constitution does it say Pharmacists are exempted from the First Amendment.

Pharmacists can refuse to sell birth control, just like Doctors can refuse to perform abortions.

If you don't like it, find another pharmacist.

Doctors can't refuse to perform abortions if they claim to be abortion doctors. I'm not going to go to my dentist and ask him to perform an abortion. As a pharmacist you claim that you will be able to fill ANY prescription I bring to you. That's why they go to school for 7 years. And going to another pharmacy isn't always a valid choice.

Quite simply, bullsh!t. Pharmacists make NO such claim.

And yes, going to another pharmacist IS always a valid choice. It's not like the land isn't littered with 5 pharmacies every square mile.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: PingSpike
I'm just glad that there are other pharmancies.

This sure seems retarded.

Lets say, I don't believe in any form of BC....because it offends my religious beliefs. Then I apply for a job selling BC door to door (yeah, I know that they don't do that). The company cannot discriminate against my beliefs when they choose to hire me, because that would be illegal. Because it discriminates against my precious beliefs. But if they hire me, I'm totally fvcking useless since I can't do the job I was hired for...because it offends said beliefs.

i don't know of any door to door salesman that doesn't work primarily for commision, so given that it really wouldn't affect the company that much, just you as the stupid salesman.

 

[vi edit]

Doctors can't refuse to perform abortions if they claim to be abortion doctors. I'm not going to go to my dentist and ask him to perform an abortion. As a pharmacist you claim that you will be able to fill ANY prescription I bring to you. That's why they go to school for 7 years. And going to another pharmacy isn't always a valid choice.

Not quite. If a pharmacist feels that you are abusing substances or trying to fill a bad or outdated 'script they can refuse service.

It's a fine line between moral and legal objections for sure.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
It it not a pharmacist's place to decide whether or not you have access to medicine prescribed to you by a DOCTOR.

See my post above.

Go to another pharmacy.

A business should and does have the right to refuse service to anyone so long as it's not based on race, creed or religion.

You can't refuse services based on religious or racial believes.

BASED ON THE BELIEFS OF THE CUSTOMER.

If I refuse to sell beer, I can refuse to sell it as long as I refuse equally to ALL RACES AND RELIGIONS.

This is what they are doing. It';s not as if they are selling the pills only to christians and not to jews.

Good GAWD, people. Are you all this fscking daft???

There is big difference between beer and drugs. You don't need to go to a college and get licensed to sell beer. As a farmacist, you're providing a very important service to the community. Not having a beer won't affect your life. Getting pregnant will. Yes, I agree it's not unlawful to refuse to sell birth control pills. On the other hand it goes against whatever oaths they make you take as a farmacist. It's like you going to a hospital and the doctor refusing to reattach you limbs because it's against his religious belives to alter human body.

If the farmacist in question has problem with birth control, fine there are million other proffesion he can choose.

No where in the Constitution does it say Pharmacists are exempted from the First Amendment.

Pharmacists can refuse to sell birth control, just like Doctors can refuse to perform abortions.

If you don't like it, find another pharmacist.

Oh and for the record a pharmacist who imposes his religious beliefs on others is a pig dog fvckhead who should die of skin cancer.

JMHO

Oh that's real mature.

And he's not "imposing" anything. He is simply refusing to do something he objects to.

The REAL travesty would be FORCING people to do things they object to.

This is BS. Thats like working at mcdonalds, and refusing to serve beef because you're a vegan.

However I also think it's the pharmacist companies who should fire these people.... would you object to their being fired?

Fsck sake, READ MY POSTS.

Yes, I think if their actions violate company policy they should be fired.

If they own the store, no. If the company is willing to put up with them, no.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Amused
No where in the Constitution does it say Pharmacists are exempted from the First Amendment.

Pharmacists can refuse to sell birth control, just like Doctors can refuse to perform abortions.

If you don't like it, find another pharmacist.

Doctors can't refuse to perform abortions if they claim to be abortion doctors. I'm not going to go to my dentist and ask him to perform an abortion. As a pharmacist you claim that you will be able to fill ANY prescription I bring to you. That's why they go to school for 7 years. And going to another pharmacy isn't always a valid choice.

Quite simply, bullsh!t. Pharmacists make NO such claim.

And yes, going to another pharmacist IS always a valid choice. It's not like the land isn't littered with 5 pharmacies every square mile.

And if they're all Pharmacies of the Devout? Drive to another side of town? City? State?

- M4H

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: rbloedow
Sigh.....nutjob, religious fanatics. Their religion can no longer oppress like it used to, so they must try themselves......

how hypocritical can you be? you are pro choice with regards to abortion and yet a pharmacists can't choose not to dispense certain medications? in this case it's not like it's life or death for the woman and it's not like there is a time urgency. sure, if he refused to dispense medications and that lead to immediate death of the patient i'd have a moral issue with it, but this is not such a case.

all they are doing is making a political statement and making it a bit more inconvenient for the patient.

Yeah, whats the big deal? If the girl gets pregnant as a result she can always just abort it anyway.

BC pills have out lived their usefulness.

if the girl gets pregnant it was HER choice not that of the pharmacists. hence it's up to her to make a decision with regards to her body.

And if the girl wants a morning after pill after getting date raped, she can just save her pennies for an abortion instead! Genius!

She did make a decision, and it was cockblocked by some one elses. If there was a sign out front, maybe she wouldn't have wasted her time.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire


And if they're all Pharmacies of the Devout? Drive to another side of town? City? State?

- M4H

Debates are never won with appeals to ridiculous extremes.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
It it not a pharmacist's place to decide whether or not you have access to medicine prescribed to you by a DOCTOR.

See my post above.

Go to another pharmacy.

A business should and does have the right to refuse service to anyone so long as it's not based on race, creed or religion.

You can't refuse services based on religious or racial believes.

BASED ON THE BELIEFS OF THE CUSTOMER.

If I refuse to sell beer, I can refuse to sell it as long as I refuse equally to ALL RACES AND RELIGIONS.

This is what they are doing. It';s not as if they are selling the pills only to christians and not to jews.

Good GAWD, people. Are you all this fscking daft???

There is big difference between beer and drugs. You don't need to go to a college and get licensed to sell beer. As a farmacist, you're providing a very important service to the community. Not having a beer won't affect your life. Getting pregnant will. Yes, I agree it's not unlawful to refuse to sell birth control pills. On the other hand it goes against whatever oaths they make you take as a farmacist. It's like you going to a hospital and the doctor refusing to reattach you limbs because it's against his religious belives to alter human body.

If the farmacist in question has problem with birth control, fine there are million other proffesion he can choose.

No where in the Constitution does it say Pharmacists are exempted from the First Amendment.

Pharmacists can refuse to sell birth control, just like Doctors can refuse to perform abortions.

If you don't like it, find another pharmacist.

Oh and for the record a pharmacist who imposes his religious beliefs on others is a pig dog fvckhead who should die of skin cancer.

JMHO

Oh that's real mature.

And he's not "imposing" anything. He is simply refusing to do something he objects to.

The REAL travesty would be FORCING people to do things they object to.

This is BS. Thats like working at mcdonalds, and refusing to serve beef because you're a vegan.

However I also think it's the pharmacist companies who should fire these people.... would you object to their being fired?

Fsck sake, READ MY POSTS.

Yes, I think if their actions violate company policy they should be fired.

If they own the store, no. If the company is willing to put up with them, no.

Well then lets agree to this... it is not illegal for them to not post signs, and lecture customers about their own morality. Just like it's not illegal for people to stand outside abortion clinics and call women whores. However it is utterly incredibly obnoxious. And I hope those individuals who do the said things die horribly. It is my right and free speech to think and hope that.

-Max

 

[Literati]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire


And if they're all Pharmacies of the Devout? Drive to another side of town? City? State?

- M4H

Debates are never won with appeals to ridiculous extremes.

I agree!

 

[Red Dawn]

I bnet this Pharmacist is a born again and didn't have any objections to dispensing these drugs when he/she first decided to go into that field

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire


And if they're all Pharmacies of the Devout? Drive to another side of town? City? State?

- M4H

Debates are never won with appeals to ridiculous extremes.

A pharmacy refusing to do their job is extreme enough to start with. 😛

Edit - And in the Bible Banger Belt, my situation is not that extreme. 😛

- M4H

 

[DougK62]

Wow - some of you guys are obviously complete idiots.

Everything Amused has posted is 100% correct.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Amused
No where in the Constitution does it say Pharmacists are exempted from the First Amendment.

Pharmacists can refuse to sell birth control, just like Doctors can refuse to perform abortions.

If you don't like it, find another pharmacist.

Doctors can't refuse to perform abortions if they claim to be abortion doctors. I'm not going to go to my dentist and ask him to perform an abortion. As a pharmacist you claim that you will be able to fill ANY prescription I bring to you. That's why they go to school for 7 years. And going to another pharmacy isn't always a valid choice.

"Our group was founded with the idea of returning pharmacy to a healing-only profession. What's been going on is the use of medication to stop human life. That violates the ideal of the Hippocratic oath that medical practitioners should do no harm," said Karen L. Brauer, president of Pharmacists for Life, who was fired from a Kmart pharmacy in Delhi, Ohio, for refusing to fill birth control prescriptions.

a pharmacists job isn't to PRESCRIBE BC only, a pharmacists job is to be part of the healing process by dispensing medication. if their personal beliefs are that the medication being dispensed isn't part of the healing process, who are you to force them to believe otherwise?

 

[vi edit]

And yes, going to another pharmacist IS always a valid choice. It's not like the land isn't littered with 5 pharmacies every square mile.

Not quite.

Go look at rural America. Where my wife grew up there was (and still is) only one pharmacy in town. The next closest is 35 miles away.

If the pharmacist refuses to fill the perscription you are required to drive all the way to another county. If you are any normal working person that's aweful hard to do. Especially in cases with the morning after pill where you have a very finite window of opportunity to work with. (About 72 hours)

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
It it not a pharmacist's place to decide whether or not you have access to medicine prescribed to you by a DOCTOR.

See my post above.

Go to another pharmacy.

A business should and does have the right to refuse service to anyone so long as it's not based on race, creed or religion.

You can't refuse services based on religious or racial believes.

BASED ON THE BELIEFS OF THE CUSTOMER.

If I refuse to sell beer, I can refuse to sell it as long as I refuse equally to ALL RACES AND RELIGIONS.

This is what they are doing. It';s not as if they are selling the pills only to christians and not to jews.

Good GAWD, people. Are you all this fscking daft???

There is big difference between beer and drugs. You don't need to go to a college and get licensed to sell beer. As a farmacist, you're providing a very important service to the community. Not having a beer won't affect your life. Getting pregnant will. Yes, I agree it's not unlawful to refuse to sell birth control pills. On the other hand it goes against whatever oaths they make you take as a farmacist. It's like you going to a hospital and the doctor refusing to reattach you limbs because it's against his religious belives to alter human body.

If the farmacist in question has problem with birth control, fine there are million other proffesion he can choose.

No where in the Constitution does it say Pharmacists are exempted from the First Amendment.

Pharmacists can refuse to sell birth control, just like Doctors can refuse to perform abortions.

If you don't like it, find another pharmacist.

Oh and for the record a pharmacist who imposes his religious beliefs on others is a pig dog fvckhead who should die of skin cancer.

JMHO

Oh that's real mature.

And he's not "imposing" anything. He is simply refusing to do something he objects to.

The REAL travesty would be FORCING people to do things they object to.

This is BS. Thats like working at mcdonalds, and refusing to serve beef because you're a vegan.

However I also think it's the pharmacist companies who should fire these people.... would you object to their being fired?

Fsck sake, READ MY POSTS.

Yes, I think if their actions violate company policy they should be fired.

If they own the store, no. If the company is willing to put up with them, no.

Well then lets agree to this... it is not illegal for them to not post signs, and lecture customers about their own morality. Just like it's not illegal for people to stand outside abortion clinics and call women whores. However it is utterly incredibly obnoxious. And I hope those individuals who do the said things die horribly. It is my right and free speech to think and hope that.

-Max

Yes, it is. But think to yourself who is the real extremist now? These folks, or folks like you?

Put a bible in your hands and you'd sound and look just like the religious nutjobs. You've become your enemy.

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: PingSpike
I'm just glad that there are other pharmancies.

This sure seems retarded.

Lets say, I don't believe in any form of BC....because it offends my religious beliefs. Then I apply for a job selling BC door to door (yeah, I know that they don't do that). The company cannot discriminate against my beliefs when they choose to hire me, because that would be illegal. Because it discriminates against my precious beliefs. But if they hire me, I'm totally fvcking useless since I can't do the job I was hired for...because it offends said beliefs.

i don't know of any door to door salesman that doesn't work primarily for commision, so given that it really wouldn't affect the company that much, just you as the stupid salesman.

Well, I'm glad you globbed onto the most irrelevant part of the analogy. Fine, replace door to door sales men with non-commision phone sales.

"Hi, this is BC for less dot com. You would like to order some BC pills? Sorry, I do not believe in them. Please call back and hopefully you'll get another rep that does. Good bye."

 

[Aharami]

its just not worth it

 

[isasir]

If I am going to a chain pharmacy such as CVS or Duane Reade, then I fully expect a pharmacist to prescribe to me whatever they have in stock, assuming I have a valid prescription. It's BS if the case were that I can get a BC prescription filled at 7 AM, but not 7 PM, since it's a different pharmacist on duty, and I'd hope the pharmacist would get fired.

If private pharmacy, such as the Holy Trinity of Evangelical Catholic Drug Store, doesn't stock birth control pills, it obviously has a right to do such.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: DougK62
Wow - some of you guys are obviously complete idiots.

Everything Amused has posted is 100% correct.

And where you and he are both utter idiots is that noone was arguing legality. We were arguing that we think that what these people are doing is dispicable disgusting and upsetting. Yes we live in a free country... yes these people are free to be nutjob wacko religious in your face harassers. However I and others here think they suck, and are unethical, and stupid. Are we clear now?

-Max

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
if the girl gets pregnant it was HER choice not that of the pharmacists. hence it's up to her to make a decision with regards to her body.

Pardon me while I rape your mother then.

- M4H

and exactly how does you commiting a crime change the what has already been said?

for me it doesn't. would i be upset if you raped my mother, of course.

does that mean that i want the government to force every pharmacist to dispense bc regardless of their personal beliefs? no.

:roll: