Some pharmacists refusing to dispense birth control pills because of religious beliefs

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Refusing to fill a perscription because of suspicion of abuse or illegal activities is fine. When you start making judgements on moral objections on birth control and morning after pills...time to find a new job.

It's not your place to be a moral crusader.

Exactly. AFAIK Pharmacists have a professional responsibility to perform their duties to the full, and if they find that they are unable to do so because of a personal issue they should either find someone else to do it for them or they should leave the business.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
It it not a pharmacist's place to decide whether or not you have access to medicine prescribed to you by a DOCTOR.

See my post above.

Go to another pharmacy.

A business should and does have the right to refuse service to anyone so long as it's not based on (race, creed or) religion.

Uh, it is based on religion.


- M4H

The pharmacist isn't refusing to sell and item based on YOUR religious beliefs, but his own. There's a difference and it's legal.

So if I'm a Satan-worshipper, and it's my duty to not bandage up any Bastards of Christ who stumble bleeding profusely into my store - furthermore I am to crucify them - I can go right ahead, because of "my" religion and not theirs?

Regardless if you say A=B or B=A, the end result is the same. (Unless you're coding C.)

- M4H

The law does not require you to bandage anyone up.

Again, you are basing your refusal of service on THEIR religion. These pharmacists are refusing based on their own religious beliefs. They would refuse to sell the product they are offended by to a Christian just as fast as they would a Jew, a Muslim or a Satanist.

No, my religion dictates that anyone who isn't an Initiate of the Ebon Hand has no right to healing items, unless they show the Parchment of Yog-Sloggath +2.

- M4H

That would be illegal. But if your religion says you cannot sell healing items at all, and you do so no matter what religion the customer is, THAT would be legal.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
It it not a pharmacist's place to decide whether or not you have access to medicine prescribed to you by a DOCTOR.

See my post above.

Go to another pharmacy.

A business should and does have the right to refuse service to anyone so long as it's not based on race, creed or religion.

Then they need to have a notification on the outside of the store indicating that they DONOT dispense birth control. You can't say nothing, wait until the women come in, and then give them lectures about your moral beliefs. I tell you this much, if a pharmacist started lecturing my gf on the morality of sex before marriage, I'd go ape-sh!t.

-Max

What next? Big gold stars on the outside of Jewish stores?

You will be notified the minute the doctor says no. You don;t have to wait around for his whole speech. You're free to leave.

NO utter bullsh!t. Usually I respect your opinions Amused... but in this case you're telling me that a public business is justified in harssing customers with their religious beliefs... In places where religion is particularly prevalent this is out and out persecution.

And you think this is somehow ok?

-Max

 

[aircooled]

the doctor writes the prescription. if the pharmacist is not willing to fill it then they have chosen the wrong profession.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
It it not a pharmacist's place to decide whether or not you have access to medicine prescribed to you by a DOCTOR.

See my post above.

Go to another pharmacy.

A business should and does have the right to refuse service to anyone so long as it's not based on race, creed or religion.

You can't refuse services based on religious or racial believes.

BASED ON THE BELIEFS OF THE CUSTOMER.

If I refuse to sell beer, I can refuse to sell it as long as I refuse equally to ALL RACES AND RELIGIONS.

This is what they are doing. It';s not as if they are selling the pills only to christians and not to jews.

Good GAWD, people. Are you all this fscking daft???

If they don't carry the product how can they be expected to sell it. However if the Pharmacy the Pharmacist works for does carry the drug then the Pharmacist isn't acting in the best interest of the Pharmacy and should be disciplined, just like you stated.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Amused
That would be illegal. But if your religion says you cannot sell healing items at all, and you do so no matter what religion the customer is, THAT would be legal.

But if my religion by nature is discriminatory towards others, how can you prosecute me for following my faith?

- M4H

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
It it not a pharmacist's place to decide whether or not you have access to medicine prescribed to you by a DOCTOR.

See my post above.

Go to another pharmacy.

A business should and does have the right to refuse service to anyone so long as it's not based on race, creed or religion.

Then they need to have a notification on the outside of the store indicating that they DONOT dispense birth control. You can't say nothing, wait until the women come in, and then give them lectures about your moral beliefs. I tell you this much, if a pharmacist started lecturing my gf on the morality of sex before marriage, I'd go ape-sh!t.

-Max

What next? Big gold stars on the outside of Jewish stores?

You will be notified the minute the doctor says no. You don;t have to wait around for his whole speech. You're free to leave.

NO utter bullsh!t. Usually I respect your opinions Amused... but in this case you're telling me that a public business is justified in harssing customers with their religious beliefs... In places where religion is particularly prevalent this is out and out persecution.

And you think this is somehow ok?

-Max

Why does the pharmacist suddenly give up his freedom of speech because it offends you?

Where in the First Amendment does it exclude business owners, or pharmacists in particular?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Amused
That would be illegal. But if your religion says you cannot sell healing items at all, and you do so no matter what religion the customer is, THAT would be legal.

But if my religion by nature is discriminatory towards others, how can you prosecute me for following my faith?

- M4H

Because in that case, your "religion" violates the law.

In the case of this thread, the pharms actions do not.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
It it not a pharmacist's place to decide whether or not you have access to medicine prescribed to you by a DOCTOR.

See my post above.

Go to another pharmacy.

A business should and does have the right to refuse service to anyone so long as it's not based on race, creed or religion.

You can't refuse services based on religious or racial believes.

BASED ON THE BELIEFS OF THE CUSTOMER.

If I refuse to sell beer, I can refuse to sell it as long as I refuse equally to ALL RACES AND RELIGIONS.

This is what they are doing. It's not as if they are selling the pills only to christians and not to jews.

Good GAWD, people. Are you all this fscking daft???

No amused you're just wrong here... There is a significant difference between owning a liquor store, and owning a store that distributes medical prescriptions. This is disgusting...

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
It it not a pharmacist's place to decide whether or not you have access to medicine prescribed to you by a DOCTOR.

See my post above.

Go to another pharmacy.

A business should and does have the right to refuse service to anyone so long as it's not based on race, creed or religion.

You can't refuse services based on religious or racial believes.

BASED ON THE BELIEFS OF THE CUSTOMER.

If I refuse to sell beer, I can refuse to sell it as long as I refuse equally to ALL RACES AND RELIGIONS.

This is what they are doing. It';s not as if they are selling the pills only to christians and not to jews.

Good GAWD, people. Are you all this fscking daft???

If they don't carry the product how can they be expected to sell it. However if the Pharmacy the Pharmacist works for does carry the drug then the Pharmacist isn't acting in the best interest of the Pharmacy and should be disciplined, just like you stated.

Yep. If the Pharmacist is working for someone else and violating their policy, the employer can, and should fire them.

 

[PingSpike]

I'm just glad that there are other pharmancies.

This sure seems retarded.

Lets say, I don't believe in any form of BC....because it offends my religious beliefs. Then I apply for a job selling BC door to door (yeah, I know that they don't do that). The company cannot discriminate against my beliefs when they choose to hire me, because that would be illegal. Because it discriminates against my precious beliefs. But if they hire me, I'm totally fvcking useless since I can't do the job I was hired for...because it offends said beliefs.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Amused
That would be illegal. But if your religion says you cannot sell healing items at all, and you do so no matter what religion the customer is, THAT would be legal.

But if my religion by nature is discriminatory towards others, how can you prosecute me for following my faith?

- M4H

Because in that case, your "religion" violates the law.

In the case of this thread, the pharms actions do not.

But it's My Religion! You're oppressing my faith! Hate crime! HATE CRIME!

- M4H

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
It it not a pharmacist's place to decide whether or not you have access to medicine prescribed to you by a DOCTOR.

See my post above.

Go to another pharmacy.

A business should and does have the right to refuse service to anyone so long as it's not based on race, creed or religion.

You can't refuse services based on religious or racial believes.

You can refuse services to ANYONE for ANY reason provided you are not illegally discriminating against the people to whom you are refusing services.

It is not illegal for YOU to refuse services to EVERYONE based on your own religious beliefs.

But you are also not immune to the consequences of that refusal - loss of revenue, loss of your job, etc.

 

[Argo]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
It it not a pharmacist's place to decide whether or not you have access to medicine prescribed to you by a DOCTOR.

See my post above.

Go to another pharmacy.

A business should and does have the right to refuse service to anyone so long as it's not based on race, creed or religion.

You can't refuse services based on religious or racial believes.

BASED ON THE BELIEFS OF THE CUSTOMER.

If I refuse to sell beer, I can refuse to sell it as long as I refuse equally to ALL RACES AND RELIGIONS.

This is what they are doing. It';s not as if they are selling the pills only to christians and not to jews.

Good GAWD, people. Are you all this fscking daft???

There is big difference between beer and drugs. You don't need to go to a college and get licensed to sell beer. As a farmacist, you're providing a very important service to the community. Not having a beer won't affect your life. Getting pregnant will. Yes, I agree it's not unlawful to refuse to sell birth control pills. On the other hand it goes against whatever oaths they make you take as a farmacist. It's like you going to a hospital and the doctor refusing to reattach you limbs because it's against his religious belives to alter human body.

If the farmacist in question has problem with birth control, fine there are million other proffesion he can choose.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
It it not a pharmacist's place to decide whether or not you have access to medicine prescribed to you by a DOCTOR.

See my post above.

Go to another pharmacy.

A business should and does have the right to refuse service to anyone so long as it's not based on race, creed or religion.

You can't refuse services based on religious or racial believes.

BASED ON THE BELIEFS OF THE CUSTOMER.

If I refuse to sell beer, I can refuse to sell it as long as I refuse equally to ALL RACES AND RELIGIONS.

This is what they are doing. It's not as if they are selling the pills only to christians and not to jews.

Good GAWD, people. Are you all this fscking daft???

No amused you're just wrong here... There is a significant difference between owning a liquor store, and owning a store that distributes medical prescriptions. This is disgusting...

What difference is that?

Since when were pharmacies not a for profit, private enterprise?

If you don't like it, go to another pharmacy.

The disgusting thing here is you believe you have a right to force a private business to act as you wish.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
It it not a pharmacist's place to decide whether or not you have access to medicine prescribed to you by a DOCTOR.

See my post above.

Go to another pharmacy.

A business should and does have the right to refuse service to anyone so long as it's not based on race, creed or religion.

You can't refuse services based on religious or racial believes.

BASED ON THE BELIEFS OF THE CUSTOMER.

If I refuse to sell beer, I can refuse to sell it as long as I refuse equally to ALL RACES AND RELIGIONS.

This is what they are doing. It';s not as if they are selling the pills only to christians and not to jews.

Good GAWD, people. Are you all this fscking daft???

There is big difference between beer and drugs. You don't need to go to a college and get licensed to sell beer. As a farmacist, you're providing a very important service to the community. Not having a beer won't affect your life. Getting pregnant will. Yes, I agree it's not unlawful to refuse to sell birth control pills. On the other hand it goes against whatever oaths they make you take as a farmacist. It's like you going to a hospital and the doctor refusing to reattach you limbs because it's against his religious belives to alter human body.

If the farmacist in question has problem with birth control, fine there are million other proffesion he can choose.

What's a farmacist?

- M4H

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Amused
That would be illegal. But if your religion says you cannot sell healing items at all, and you do so no matter what religion the customer is, THAT would be legal.

But if my religion by nature is discriminatory towards others, how can you prosecute me for following my faith?

- M4H

Because in that case, your "religion" violates the law.

In the case of this thread, the pharms actions do not.

But it's My Religion! You're oppressing my faith! Hate crime! HATE CRIME!

- M4H

Go tell the religions who want to be able to do drugs.

 

[vi edit]

If you don't agree with filling certain prescriptions don't work as a Pharmacist?

If you refuse to fill perscriptions because of religious beliefs you are working in the wrong field. Period. A pharmacist's job is to be objective and NOT make those calls. They are there to provide service in the customer's best interest (either physiologically or fiscally) and are NOT there to limit services because they feel they are immoral. Doing this is an inherent flaw in the responsibility of being a pharmacist.

Obviously there are exceptions. If a woman is coming in weekly to get a morning after pill it's time to step in and try to get her some counciling of sorts and check in with the doc's that keep filling the 'scrips. But that's not really a moral objection. It's looking at the best interest of the person since it's just not healthy to be doing that weekly.

But to put a blanket objection over the top of all birth control is just a flaw in what a pharmacist is supposed to be doing. I've had ex-gf's and know many other women that were on BC simply because they made their periods bearable. Without BC the cramps were so bad they had to take days off work. With the morning after, who knows if the woman just got rapped? All you are doing is simply adding even more victimization to the situation by refusing.

It's not their position.

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Doboji

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
It it not a pharmacist's place to decide whether or not you have access to medicine prescribed to you by a DOCTOR.

See my post above.

Go to another pharmacy.

A business should and does have the right to refuse service to anyone so long as it's not based on race, creed or religion.

Then they need to have a notification on the outside of the store indicating that they DONOT dispense birth control. You can't say nothing, wait until the women come in, and then give them lectures about your moral beliefs. I tell you this much, if a pharmacist started lecturing my gf on the morality of sex before marriage, I'd go ape-sh!t.

-Max

What next? Big gold stars on the outside of Jewish stores?

You will be notified the minute the doctor says no. You don;t have to wait around for his whole speech. You're free to leave.

NO utter bullsh!t. Usually I respect your opinions Amused... but in this case you're telling me that a public business is justified in harssing customers with their religious beliefs... In places where religion is particularly prevalent this is out and out persecution.

And you think this is somehow ok?

-Max

Why does the pharmacist suddenly give up his freedom of speech because it offends you?

Where in the First Amendment does it exclude business owners, or pharmacists in particular?

You're just playing devil's advocate here... there is no way you can possibly think that luring someone into your store, denying them a MEDICAL prescription, and then lecturing them on your medical beliefs is acceptable. This is persecution.... free speech is not carte blanche... it doesnt give you the right to harass people. If you don't want to sell the product fine.... make it clear that your store does not, and voila you have made your free speech. Not posting it, luring people into the pharmacy, and then harassing them. IS NOT FREE SPEECH, it is HARASSMENT.

-Max

 

[Jzero]

I guess it's too early for silent 'P's.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
It it not a pharmacist's place to decide whether or not you have access to medicine prescribed to you by a DOCTOR.

See my post above.

Go to another pharmacy.

A business should and does have the right to refuse service to anyone so long as it's not based on race, creed or religion.

You can't refuse services based on religious or racial believes.

BASED ON THE BELIEFS OF THE CUSTOMER.

If I refuse to sell beer, I can refuse to sell it as long as I refuse equally to ALL RACES AND RELIGIONS.

This is what they are doing. It';s not as if they are selling the pills only to christians and not to jews.

Good GAWD, people. Are you all this fscking daft???

There is big difference between beer and drugs. You don't need to go to a college and get licensed to sell beer. As a farmacist, you're providing a very important service to the community. Not having a beer won't affect your life. Getting pregnant will. Yes, I agree it's not unlawful to refuse to sell birth control pills. On the other hand it goes against whatever oaths they make you take as a farmacist. It's like you going to a hospital and the doctor refusing to reattach you limbs because it's against his religious belives to alter human body.

If the farmacist in question has problem with birth control, fine there are million other proffesion he can choose.

No where in the Constitution does it say Pharmacists are exempted from the First Amendment.

Pharmacists can refuse to sell birth control, just like Doctors can refuse to perform abortions.

If you don't like it, find another pharmacist.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Amused
Go tell the religions who want to be able to do drugs.

Tell them what?

- M4H

 

[Doboji]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Argo

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: nakedfrog
It it not a pharmacist's place to decide whether or not you have access to medicine prescribed to you by a DOCTOR.

See my post above.

Go to another pharmacy.

A business should and does have the right to refuse service to anyone so long as it's not based on race, creed or religion.

You can't refuse services based on religious or racial believes.

BASED ON THE BELIEFS OF THE CUSTOMER.

If I refuse to sell beer, I can refuse to sell it as long as I refuse equally to ALL RACES AND RELIGIONS.

This is what they are doing. It';s not as if they are selling the pills only to christians and not to jews.

Good GAWD, people. Are you all this fscking daft???

There is big difference between beer and drugs. You don't need to go to a college and get licensed to sell beer. As a farmacist, you're providing a very important service to the community. Not having a beer won't affect your life. Getting pregnant will. Yes, I agree it's not unlawful to refuse to sell birth control pills. On the other hand it goes against whatever oaths they make you take as a farmacist. It's like you going to a hospital and the doctor refusing to reattach you limbs because it's against his religious belives to alter human body.

If the farmacist in question has problem with birth control, fine there are million other proffesion he can choose.

No where in the Constitution does it say Pharmacists are exempted from the First Amendment.

Pharmacists can refuse to sell birth control, just like Doctors can refuse to perform abortions.

If you don't like it, find another pharmacist.

Oh and for the record a pharmacist who imposes his religious beliefs on others is a pig dog fvckhead who should die of skin cancer.

JMHO

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: rbloedow
Sigh.....nutjob, religious fanatics. Their religion can no longer oppress like it used to, so they must try themselves......

how hypocritical can you be? you are pro choice with regards to abortion and yet a pharmacists can't choose not to dispense certain medications? in this case it's not like it's life or death for the woman and it's not like there is a time urgency. sure, if he refused to dispense medications and that lead to immediate death of the patient i'd have a moral issue with it, but this is not such a case.

all they are doing is making a political statement and making it a bit more inconvenient for the patient.

Yeah, whats the big deal? If the girl gets pregnant as a result she can always just abort it anyway.

BC pills have out lived their usefulness.

if the girl gets pregnant it was HER choice not that of the pharmacists. hence it's up to her to make a decision with regards to her body.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
if the girl gets pregnant it was HER choice not that of the pharmacists. hence it's up to her to make a decision with regards to her body.

Pardon me while I rape your mother then.

- M4H