Some clarification on defective conservative thinking:

[Steeplerot]

We need people like Moonbeam to remind us of what taking politics to the extreme is. In his mind there is only one solution to any problem and if anyone ever comes up with something different than what he did than they are bat-shit crazy and he will do everything he can to try and prove it.

His methods are a bit erratic, but at least he does not sit around and rewrite history or defends points with tabloid mass media right wing fantasyworld lies like some douchey cultist. For that he has far more credibility then any of you righties, even though he is a bit off.

 

[cybrsage]

His methods are a bit erratic, but at least he does not sit around and rewrite history or defends points with tabloid mass media right wing fantasyworld lies like some douchey cultist. For that he has far more credibility then any of you righties, even though he is a bit off.

Were you standing next to him, or further down the line, when you got your ribbon for being a "winner"?

 

[Matt1970]

His methods are a bit erratic, but at least he does not sit around and rewrite history or defends points with tabloid mass media right wing fantasyworld lies like some douchey cultist. For that he has far more credibility then any of you righties, even though he is a bit off.

Figures you wouldn't see what he does as wrong, you are right there with him.

 

[cybrsage]

Did you ever see that robot bird that swings on a pivot and eventually dips his beak in water, pops back out and begins to swing again. Your ego got pricked by me and now your my dippy friend who comes back again and again to poke his beak in Moonbeam. It's OK to be dippy because you can't help yourself.

Honestly, that stuff is not lemonade...it is pee.

 

[lotus503]

I wonder why other libs are not trying to silence Moon? He makes them all look like lunatics with his anti-conservative idotic posts. I would expect them to be in there disavowing his tantrums and claiming he is a fringe element and does not reflect their views.

I dont believe in trying to silence anyone.

 

[Moonbeam]

dmcowen674: Do you think there is any way to re-rehabilitate them or educate them or are they a lost cause?

M: As you can see from the thread, they are a lost cause. This will be true whenever we are talking about 'they'. Only the individual can save himself and he or she has to feel a profound need to do so.

dw: Do you think we can get rid of them somehow?

M: There is only we, I think. I am one of them. As long as I want to get rid of them I won't be at peace with the part of me that is just like them. There is only one war to fight and the enemy is us. The only enemy I can do battle with is me. I can't defeat myself but I can surrender and realize that all the hate I have for the enemy is the hate I have for me. It's very painful. For me to love me I have to forgive. How can I forgive? That's the question, I think. When you see what utter shit these folk are you see how hard the challenge is.

dw: Not like 1930's Germany but more like exile like how Australia was populated. Where can we send them or they would want to go?

M: We have pushed them into our unconscious and exiled them and ourself there; we have said we are different, we have adopted a pretense. We don't need to exile them but bring them back into consciousness. We need to integrate the opposites within ourselves in a higher understanding. We are them and there are two where only one is because we chose separation. These are bitter pills to swallow.

dw: Time is running out, they have just about destroyed the country to the point of no return

M: Any move we make to save the world is a move we make to destroy it. We can do nothing to save other people except by the example of our being. Our job is to fix ourselves and nobody else. Leave that to those who have healed. They may know what to do. I suspect that there is only love, love and being.

So while the world is dying from human insanity, the only exit from madness is sanity, your own sanity. As I said I believe enlightenment comes with need. As the world dies need will increase and so will the numbers who find sanity. We can not know ahead of time how things will work out, but I think also that sanity is freedom from fear.

Those who are can't not be.

 

[Steeplerot]

Were you standing next to him, or further down the line, when you got your ribbon for being a "winner"?

Your opinion of others means nil. You are a dishonest poster and a huge time wasting troll.

Not even a entertaining one at that.

Besides, no one can stand next to mb, he is a inter-dimensional being come to call out self loathing for the interstellar clown crew or something. Far outside this comrades paygrade. I am still waiting for my government owned General Motors model soviet spy lightspeed cruiser myself Comrade Obama said he was making out of old cash for clunkers, damn these long socialist distribution queues!

 

[Moonbeam]

Honestly, that stuff is not lemonade...it is pee.

It's OK to think that what is you opinion and your opinion alone is also truth because for you truth is truthiness. However, when I want to know the value of a gem I go to a jeweler. I am trying to show liberals that when they cast pearls before swine they are going to get nailed as distributors of pig food. Pigs can't help this because they are expert only in slop. Pigs, of course, make the unconscious assumption that everybody else is also a pig. I know you are a fine human being who has some brain damage which can be repaired when you want to develop beyond the pig stage.

You carry this terrible guilt and rage because you are less than your ego wants and demands you be, but all of those ideals are absurd. You're just a pig like me who is just more resentful of that fact. I embrace my piggishness and it helps me to move on. When I call you a pig you become offended but when you call me a pig I laugh. That makes you and not me the one who is crazy, but you can't actually see that. It does explain, however, why you keep coming back to make me feel the pain you do because you are a pig. A word to the wise, my follow porker, Oink!

 

[Moonbeam]

I dont believe in trying to silence anyone.

They have two techniques for this though. One is to silence the source of offensive truth and the other is to stick their thumbs, flap their fingers and go nah nah ne nah nah.

 

[LunarRay]

I tried to have a rational discussion with my Right Wing Christian Fundamentalist and all knowing house mate. :sneaky:

I tried to confine the discussion to Economics because other than "BUT, Bill O'Reilly said..." I do get some credit in that field.

I asked if the jobs in the USA were enough to have all the folks working (less the assumed 3-4% unemployed) AND if those jobs paid wages such that our budget was in surplus would we be focused on cutting funding for the social programs we have historically provided for? Would de-funding Planned Parenthood and the like be an issue given the abortion issue is a very small part of what PP provide?

To my dismay, I was told that these are the end times and the people draining the resources are the vehicle of the devil. All the things wrong with our situation is the work of the devil and we should do all we can to stop it....
Knowing that the devil nor apparently God know a thing about Economics, I went out on a limb and suggested that maybe the work of the devil is to simply use the poor to get you folks to react as you do and violate your own creed as it regards the Sermon on the Mount.
The response was as usual.... "And, you're the biggest devil of them all."

Of course, I laughed cuz I guess I find it funny... I don't like baseball so I don't take the World Serious.... I don't particularly like bigots or hate mongers so neither do I take them serious either...
When someone needs to climb aboard their horsey and slay the windmill they don't much care about reality... They too are Idealists...

 

[Moonbeam]

I tried to have a rational discussion with my Right Wing Christian Fundamentalist and all knowing house mate. :sneaky:

I tried to confine the discussion to Economics because other than "BUT, Bill O'Reilly said..." I do get some credit in that field.

I asked if the jobs in the USA were enough to have all the folks working (less the assumed 3-4% unemployed) AND if those jobs paid wages such that our budget was in surplus would we be focused on cutting funding for the social programs we have historically provided for? Would de-funding Planned Parenthood and the like be an issue given the abortion issue is a very small part of what PP provide?

To my dismay, I was told that these are the end times and the people draining the resources are the vehicle of the devil. All the things wrong with our situation is the work of the devil and we should do all we can to stop it....
Knowing that the devil nor apparently God know a thing about Economics, I went out on a limb and suggested that maybe the work of the devil is to simply use the poor to get you folks to react as you do and violate your own creed as it regards the Sermon on the Mount.
The response was as usual.... "And, you're the biggest devil of them all."

Of course, I laughed cuz I guess I find it funny... I don't like baseball so I don't take the World Serious.... I don't particularly like bigots or hate mongers so neither do I take them serious either...
When someone needs to climb aboard their horsey and slay the windmill they don't much care about reality... They too are Idealists...

Hehehehehe, I ran a chicken and potato salad up to my Mom's house and left a post I had written hang unposted and which I just posted a few minutes ago:

We get to make our voices heard (except for the massive voter fraud that will be perpetrated by the Democrats) on 6 NOV 2012.

I for one can't wait. It will be a red letter day in the history of this nation. On the par with the election of 1860.

Such is it always with mad men. In order to magnify their own importance in the world they magnify their causes. Not since 1860 have have lunatics achieved such status as they will on 6 NOV 2012.

Poor poor Moonbeam. He will go to the his election place and vote for the lesser of evils. No blazing cause to inflate his image of himself in my his own eyes, no banner of righteous truth to carry, just a mundane vote for the donkeys on the ticket.

Once, long ago, I heard a German poem that may have looked something like this sounds :

Ganz genau weiß der Phau was mann stille von ihm will

Doch er last befor er tut gern warten. hehehe

I do remember the literal the translation:

Quite exactly knows the peacock what you want from him

But he likes to let you wait before he does it.

 

[Iron Wolf]

I tried to have a rational discussion with my Right Wing Christian Fundamentalist and all knowing house mate. :sneaky:

I tried to confine the discussion to Economics because other than "BUT, Bill O'Reilly said..." I do get some credit in that field.

I asked if the jobs in the USA were enough to have all the folks working (less the assumed 3-4% unemployed) AND if those jobs paid wages such that our budget was in surplus would we be focused on cutting funding for the social programs we have historically provided for? Would de-funding Planned Parenthood and the like be an issue given the abortion issue is a very small part of what PP provide?

To my dismay, I was told that these are the end times and the people draining the resources are the vehicle of the devil. All the things wrong with our situation is the work of the devil and we should do all we can to stop it....
Knowing that the devil nor apparently God know a thing about Economics, I went out on a limb and suggested that maybe the work of the devil is to simply use the poor to get you folks to react as you do and violate your own creed as it regards the Sermon on the Mount.
The response was as usual.... "And, you're the biggest devil of them all."

Of course, I laughed cuz I guess I find it funny... I don't like baseball so I don't take the World Serious.... I don't particularly like bigots or hate mongers so neither do I take them serious either...
When someone needs to climb aboard their horsey and slay the windmill they don't much care about reality... They too are Idealists...

That's where you went wrong. Contrary to Moonbeam's (and possibly your) opinion, all conservatives can't all be painted with the same brush.

I personally am an atheist, and simply think everyone who believes in religion is a misled fool. On the other hand, I believe in small government with fiscal responsibility, strict constitutional constructionalism, high protective tariffs and end end to free trade, and and end to all of the social welfare programs started with Roosevelt and continued with Johnson and Obama.

Think of me as an old-time Federalist, or Whig. Definitely anti-Jackson, I have found a lot to like in the politics of the great triumvirate, Clay, Webster, and Calhoun. I think the Civil War was the greatest tragedy in the nation's history, but only from the standpoint that it basically ended all talk of states-rights forever and gave the federal government license to become the huge, bloated, out-of-control monstrosity it is today, and also gave license to the concept of the "tyranny of the majority."

 

[Moonbeam]

That's where you went wrong. Contrary to Moonbeam's (and possibly your) opinion, all conservatives can't all be painted with the same brush.

I personally am an atheist, and simply think everyone who believes in religion is a misled fool. On the other hand, I believe in small government with fiscal responsibility, strict constitutional constructionalism, high protective tariffs and end end to free trade, and and end to all of the social welfare programs started with Roosevelt and continued with Johnson and Obama.

Think of me as an old-time Federalist, or Whig. Definitely anti-Jackson, I have found a lot to like in the politics of the great triumvirate, Clay, Webster, and Calhoun. I think the Civil War was the greatest tragedy in the nation's history, but only from the standpoint that it basically ended all talk of states-rights forever and gave the federal government license to become the huge, bloated, out-of-control monstrosity it is today, and also gave license to the concept of the "tyranny of the majority."

Unfortunately, and that is of course, unfortunately for you, I won't be thinking of you in any way that you dictate. And nobody is painting conservative with a brush but merely commenting on the colors they choose for themselves. And the issue isn't what you believe but how you believe, whether your thinking is based or reason or truthiness. What you spout here is a lot of truthiness. Take your first absurd statement, that anybody who believes in religion is a misled fool. That is just as absurd a belief as any belief in religion. It makes you sound like a presumptuous dickweed, if there's such a thing.

So there you have it. You are definitely infected with truthiness like many other similar and dissimilar conservatives.

 

[dmcowen674]

That's where you went wrong. Contrary to Moonbeam's (and possibly your) opinion, all conservatives can't all be painted with the same brush.

I personally am an atheist, and simply think everyone who believes in religion is a misled fool. On the other hand, I believe in small government with fiscal responsibility, strict constitutional constructionalism, high protective tariffs and end end to free trade, and and end to all of the social welfare programs started with Roosevelt and continued with Johnson and Obama.

Think of me as an old-time Federalist, or Whig. Definitely anti-Jackson, I have found a lot to like in the politics of the great triumvirate, Clay, Webster, and Calhoun. I think the Civil War was the greatest tragedy in the nation's history, but only from the standpoint that it basically ended all talk of states-rights forever and gave the federal government license to become the huge, bloated, out-of-control monstrosity it is today, and also gave license to the concept of the "tyranny of the majority."

You think like a Democrat but yet vote Republican.

You poor confused soul.

Has to be rough living inside that head.

Very similar to women voting against their own interests voting Republican.

Like you said Moonie this is all quite a phenomenon to watch in action.

Reminds me of a picture of a snake eating it's own tail and working it's way to it's head.

 

[dmcowen674]

dmcowen674: Do you think there is any way to re-rehabilitate them or educate them or are they a lost cause?

M: As you can see from the thread, they are a lost cause. This will be true whenever we are talking about 'they'. Only the individual can save himself and he or she has to feel a profound need to do so.

dw: Do you think we can get rid of them somehow?

M: There is only we, I think. I am one of them. As long as I want to get rid of them I won't be at peace with the part of me that is just like them. There is only one war to fight and the enemy is us. The only enemy I can do battle with is me. I can't defeat myself but I can surrender and realize that all the hate I have for the enemy is the hate I have for me. It's very painful. For me to love me I have to forgive. How can I forgive? That's the question, I think. When you see what utter shit these folk are you see how hard the challenge is.

dw: Not like 1930's Germany but more like exile like how Australia was populated. Where can we send them or they would want to go?

M: We have pushed them into our unconscious and exiled them and ourself there; we have said we are different, we have adopted a pretense. We don't need to exile them but bring them back into consciousness. We need to integrate the opposites within ourselves in a higher understanding. We are them and there are two where only one is because we chose separation. These are bitter pills to swallow.

dw: Time is running out, they have just about destroyed the country to the point of no return

M: Any move we make to save the world is a move we make to destroy it. We can do nothing to save other people except by the example of our being. Our job is to fix ourselves and nobody else. Leave that to those who have healed. They may know what to do. I suspect that there is only love, love and being.

So while the world is dying from human insanity, the only exit from madness is sanity, your own sanity. As I said I believe enlightenment comes with need. As the world dies need will increase and so will the numbers who find sanity. We can not know ahead of time how things will work out, but I think also that sanity is freedom from fear.

Those who are can't not be.

Thank you

 

[lotus503]

Ideologues are the problem, and the very reason our society is in decline.

Idealogy is tool used by those without one to keep power.

 

[Iron Wolf]

You think like a Democrat but yet vote Republican.

You poor confused soul.

Has to be rough living inside that head.

Very similar to women voting against their own interests voting Republican.

Like you said Moonie this is all quite a phenomenon to watch in action.

Reminds me of a picture of a snake eating it's own tail and working it's way to it's head.

Hey, I'm not the one who's confused. I've already stated my opinions and beliefs.

The only thing you and Moonie have stated is that you think conservatives are nuts.

Way to avoid giving us your views of the bigger picture. Congratulations.

 

[LunarRay]

That's where you went wrong. Contrary to Moonbeam's (and possibly your) opinion, all conservatives can't all be painted with the same brush.

I personally am an atheist, and simply think everyone who believes in religion is a misled fool. On the other hand, I believe in small government with fiscal responsibility, strict constitutional constructionalism, high protective tariffs and end end to free trade, and and end to all of the social welfare programs started with Roosevelt and continued with Johnson and Obama.

Think of me as an old-time Federalist, or Whig. Definitely anti-Jackson, I have found a lot to like in the politics of the great triumvirate, Clay, Webster, and Calhoun. I think the Civil War was the greatest tragedy in the nation's history, but only from the standpoint that it basically ended all talk of states-rights forever and gave the federal government license to become the huge, bloated, out-of-control monstrosity it is today, and also gave license to the concept of the "tyranny of the majority."

What you have faith in or absence of faith in is what you believe and it is between you and your faith and or lack of it and quite frankly, none of my business. I will support your right to be what ever you want to be until I can't breathe any longer... So long as you don't come stomping on my turf, that is.

Regarding the Political position you occupy, that too is for you to define and I suspect only you can feel the reasons why. Each of us makes judgements based on something, hopefully. What motivates me to mine is quite different than yours... Your value system and mine do not share the same basis. Mine is right for me... Is yours right for you? What thinking develops these bases? Mine is that all the humans at least in my country ought to enjoy life, liberty and the rights afforded all citizens... It may cost me a few dollars but it makes me feel good... I guess it makes you feel good that they don't. Well... if you're on the opposite side I suppose it would.

I'd like to see an Isolation move too but not coupled with a termination of programs to help the poor. I believe the Constitution and the law it provides lives on and moves like we do as a society. In the society existing when it was written it reflected the mindset and compromise needed to enact it. Today is not then nor will tomorrow be today...

The society I envision is full of all the wonderful attributes human kind possess. I don't see that in the mind of the right wing and especially the haves and have mores... Even the woman folk seem afflicted by some thinking problem when they'd cut off their own nose to spite their face... It makes no sense to me... none of the right wing friends seem capable of being stewards of my country and what ideals it ought to follow... but that's me... and I've but one vote. And that's ok too.

 

[davmat787]

Do you think there is any way to re-rehabilitate them or educate them or are they a lost cause?

Do you think we can get rid of them somehow?

Not like 1930's Germany but more like exile like how Australia was populated. Where can we send them or they would want to go?

Time is running out, they have just about destroyed the country to the point of no return

Why not use concentration camps? They seemed to be effective for the Nazi's at the cheap disposal of vast quantities of unwanted population. There is no place in this country for those who think different than you. Everything would be perfect if only liberals ran our government, we would have no debt, no wars, no unemployment, .etc. But most importantly, no dissension and different ideas!

 

[cybrsage]

I dont believe in trying to silence anyone.

Silencing those who you disagree with is a pillar of liberalism.

 

[cybrsage]

So there you have it. You are definitely infected with truthiness like many other similar and dissimilar conservatives.

It is still not lemonade all over your pants when you went wee-wee in them.

 

[cybrsage]

Your opinion of others means nil. You are a dishonest poster and a huge time wasting troll.

What was that phrase I heard a moment ago...oh wait, here it is!

"Your opinion of others means nil. You are a dishonest poster and a huge time wasting troll." Thanks for giving me the proper response to your post.

 

[Steeplerot]

Silencing those who you disagree with is a pillar of liberalism.

Spoken like a true paranoid wingnut, what do you all not have a bet wetting conspiracy about?

Poor poor opressed moral crusaders of status quo, why is the world always against the righteous cult of conservatism. Take a hankie, cheer up.

 

[cybrsage]

Spoken like a true paranoid wingnut, what do you all not have a bet wetting conspiracy about?

If I repeated your exact phrase, and it is something a true paranoid wingnut would say...well, what does that make you? No, not a surfer with a rad suntan, guess again.

Poor poor opressed moral crusaders of status quo, why is the world always against the righteous cult of conservatism. Take a hankie, cheer up.

So you think that slowly spreading liquid on Moonbeam is lemonade too...interesting. Why do you think it would be lemonade and not pee, after he went wee-wee in his pants?

 

[Moonbeam]

It is still not lemonade all over your pants when you went wee-wee in them.

If it should ever chance to pass that you begin to see that your mind doesn't function logically and that your thought always turn to lemonade and tinkle, and you decide to seek medical help, be sure to mention this early on in your sessions. You would be amazed to discover how many conservatives mental defects involve potty trauma.