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Greatest selling artist of the 2000's and is ranked 32nd in certified total sales, not including SoundScan.
This puts him ahead of some giant icons such as Bob Dylan, Guns n Roses, Janet Jackson, Britney, Cher, Bon Jovi etc which is impressive.
Looking at recent SoundScan numbers:
Albums With 10 Million in U.S. Sales, 1991-Present*
(Artist, Title (Year of Release), Sales to Date, Time to 10 Million)
1. Metallica, Metallica (1991), 15.83 million, 337 weeks
2. Shania Twain, Come On Over (1997), 15.52 million, 96 weeks
3. Alanis Morissette, Jagged Little Pill (1995), 14.80 million, 66 weeks
4. Backstreet Boys, Millennium (1999), 12.20 million, 39 weeks
5. Beatles, 1 (2000), 12.11 million, 227 weeks
6. Whitney Houston/Soundtrack, The Bodyguard (1992), 12.05 million, 72 weeks
7. Santana, Supernatural (1999), 11.73 million, 60 weeks
8. Creed, Human Clay (1999), 11.62 million, 93 weeks
9. Bob Marley & the Wailers, Legend (1984), 11.17 million**, 18 years
10. 'N Sync, No Strings Attached (2000), 11.13 million, 43 weeks
11. Norah Jones, Come Away With Me (2002), 10.88 million, 259 weeks
12. Celine Dion, Falling Into You (1996), 10.80 million, 160 weeks
13. Eminem, The Marshall Mathers LP (2000), 10.65 million, 343 weeks
14. Britney Spears, . . . Baby One More Time (1999), 10.57 million, 106 weeks
15. Hootie & the Blowfish, Cracked Rear View (1994), 10.28 million, 442 weeks
16. Soundtrack, Titanic (1997), 10.17 million, 263 weeks
17. Backstreet Boys, Backstreet Boys (1997), 10.13 million, 226 weeks
18. Eminem, The Eminem Show (2002), 10.12 million, 489 weeks
19. Usher, Confessions (2004), 10.04 million, 433 weeks
20. Linkin Park, Hybrid Theory (2000), 10.03 million, 617 weeks
21. Adele, 21 (2011), 10.02 million, 92 weeks
* through the week ending Nov. 25, 2012
** 11.17 million between 1991-present; earlier sales not included
2 questions:
1) Who is the only rapper on this list?
2) Who is the only artist to appear on this list twice?
Say what you want but 8 Mile was one of the main catalysts for all of the current underground battle rap organizations such as King of the Dot, URL/SMACK, and Grindtime. Eminem's omnipresence is what helped spawn this movement.
Say what you want about his pop appeal but he's the only rapper that transcends all genres of hiphop and rap, and the widest range of age groups/gender/ethnicities of any rapper in history. That is a monumental achievement regardless of your opinion of the guy, he's simply one of those icons that will live on after he's gone in the same vein as Biggie, Pac, MJ, Elvis, Whitney, Queen etc.
Eminem took the years 2000-2010 and made that decade his. By thrusting rap into the mainstream in an unprecedented manner and smashing racial boundaries, he has to be considered one of, if not the, greatest rapper of all time for his contributions to the genre.
This puts him ahead of some giant icons such as Bob Dylan, Guns n Roses, Janet Jackson, Britney, Cher, Bon Jovi etc which is impressive.
Looking at recent SoundScan numbers:
Albums With 10 Million in U.S. Sales, 1991-Present*
(Artist, Title (Year of Release), Sales to Date, Time to 10 Million)
1. Metallica, Metallica (1991), 15.83 million, 337 weeks
2. Shania Twain, Come On Over (1997), 15.52 million, 96 weeks
3. Alanis Morissette, Jagged Little Pill (1995), 14.80 million, 66 weeks
4. Backstreet Boys, Millennium (1999), 12.20 million, 39 weeks
5. Beatles, 1 (2000), 12.11 million, 227 weeks
6. Whitney Houston/Soundtrack, The Bodyguard (1992), 12.05 million, 72 weeks
7. Santana, Supernatural (1999), 11.73 million, 60 weeks
8. Creed, Human Clay (1999), 11.62 million, 93 weeks
9. Bob Marley & the Wailers, Legend (1984), 11.17 million**, 18 years
10. 'N Sync, No Strings Attached (2000), 11.13 million, 43 weeks
11. Norah Jones, Come Away With Me (2002), 10.88 million, 259 weeks
12. Celine Dion, Falling Into You (1996), 10.80 million, 160 weeks
13. Eminem, The Marshall Mathers LP (2000), 10.65 million, 343 weeks
14. Britney Spears, . . . Baby One More Time (1999), 10.57 million, 106 weeks
15. Hootie & the Blowfish, Cracked Rear View (1994), 10.28 million, 442 weeks
16. Soundtrack, Titanic (1997), 10.17 million, 263 weeks
17. Backstreet Boys, Backstreet Boys (1997), 10.13 million, 226 weeks
18. Eminem, The Eminem Show (2002), 10.12 million, 489 weeks
19. Usher, Confessions (2004), 10.04 million, 433 weeks
20. Linkin Park, Hybrid Theory (2000), 10.03 million, 617 weeks
21. Adele, 21 (2011), 10.02 million, 92 weeks
* through the week ending Nov. 25, 2012
** 11.17 million between 1991-present; earlier sales not included
2 questions:
1) Who is the only rapper on this list?
2) Who is the only artist to appear on this list twice?
Say what you want but 8 Mile was one of the main catalysts for all of the current underground battle rap organizations such as King of the Dot, URL/SMACK, and Grindtime. Eminem's omnipresence is what helped spawn this movement.
Say what you want about his pop appeal but he's the only rapper that transcends all genres of hiphop and rap, and the widest range of age groups/gender/ethnicities of any rapper in history. That is a monumental achievement regardless of your opinion of the guy, he's simply one of those icons that will live on after he's gone in the same vein as Biggie, Pac, MJ, Elvis, Whitney, Queen etc.
Eminem took the years 2000-2010 and made that decade his. By thrusting rap into the mainstream in an unprecedented manner and smashing racial boundaries, he has to be considered one of, if not the, greatest rapper of all time for his contributions to the genre.
SheHateMe
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"Greatest Rapper of all time"
Yea...ok.
How did he thrust Rap into the Mainstream? Rap was already mainstream by the time he popped up. If it wasnt...who did Eminem pull his influences from? You can't tell me he just up and decided to rap without hearing rap when he was younger. Rap was underground in the 80's. By the time the 90's rolled around it was getting major play on Radio stations and it became somewhat of a sub culture in the black community. There have been COUNTLESS numbers of legendary rappers in the game...for those of you who don't know shit about Rap or Hip Hop..I'm sure you know about Run DMC at least. Public Enemy, Rappers Delight, The Fresh Prince, Grand Master Flash....etc.
The number 1 thing Eminem had going for him was that he was a white rapper that wasn't shit (Vanilla Ice/Marky Mark/ Does Rico Swave count?Snow....nuff said). That is where his acclaim came from, that's why he was all over MTV. People couldn't stop talking about Slim Shady. I was just a kid back then and I came home to watch "TRL" everyday after school and EVERYDAY they were talking about Eminem.
The only thing he mainstreamed for Rap was the acceptance of White MCs in the game.
How many of you are actually Rap fans?
Yea...ok.
How did he thrust Rap into the Mainstream? Rap was already mainstream by the time he popped up. If it wasnt...who did Eminem pull his influences from? You can't tell me he just up and decided to rap without hearing rap when he was younger. Rap was underground in the 80's. By the time the 90's rolled around it was getting major play on Radio stations and it became somewhat of a sub culture in the black community. There have been COUNTLESS numbers of legendary rappers in the game...for those of you who don't know shit about Rap or Hip Hop..I'm sure you know about Run DMC at least. Public Enemy, Rappers Delight, The Fresh Prince, Grand Master Flash....etc.
The number 1 thing Eminem had going for him was that he was a white rapper that wasn't shit (Vanilla Ice/Marky Mark/ Does Rico Swave count?Snow....nuff said). That is where his acclaim came from, that's why he was all over MTV. People couldn't stop talking about Slim Shady. I was just a kid back then and I came home to watch "TRL" everyday after school and EVERYDAY they were talking about Eminem.
The only thing he mainstreamed for Rap was the acceptance of White MCs in the game.
How many of you are actually Rap fans?
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Rakim said if Em was black he would be the Ali of rap. Ali's widely considered one of the, if not the best boxers ever. Rakim's top 5 all time and that shouldn't be debatable. I don't think Em's the greatest of all time, but if someone says it I could see where they're coming from. It's not that far fetched. Now if someone tells me Lil Wayne's the greatest rapper of all time, I completely dismiss anything that person says about rap. Listen to him in the cipher with Mos Def & Black Thought, he's a legitimate emcee.
Royce the 5'9 said Em's the illest emcee he's ever heard, and imho Royce could be argued top 10 of all time. There are tons of legends and top tier emcees who give Em lots of credit.
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SheHateMe
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Says the person that doesn't have anything meaningful to contribute to the discussion. Troll elsewhere.
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I've heard that Cipher. Em just has a different style. I'm not feeling it, he can flow but his messages aren't the same as someone like Joe Budden, Mos Def, or Black Thought. Maybe I can't relate to him. Lately, he hasn't really come out with anything half decent. I admit, I had his first 3 releases when I was a kid because my sister listened to him. I know many of his songs, but, I'd rather listen to ATCQ or Mobb Deep. It's just different.
Those guys will never have an album that sells 343 million copies. Not because they aren't good rappers...but because they aren't Eminem.
Who else can go again Em? He's in a league of his own. He is THE white rapper. Macklemore, Asher Roth, and Mack Miller are bubblegum rappers compared to him.
In that respect, he is in the "Top" of something. Of course rappers like Rakim will give him props. Why not? He is one of a kind. I don't agree with "Ali of Rap", though. If Rakim is willing to put someone above him in terms of rap skill, that's pretty lame.
And, Lil Wayne is garbage...but I DO indulge in his shenanigans from time to time
Real G's move in silence like Lasagna :biggrin:
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foghorn67
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It's better than spewing a bunch of "waaahhh", I hate everything posts.
Seriously, I hate rap, I don't enjoy Eminem at all. But I'm smart enough to acknowledge is good at what he does.
SheHateMe
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I didn't say Eminem wasn't a "good" rapper. I said he wasn't the best. And how could you know if he is good at what he does if you don't listen to rap?
Now please, go hug a downed powerline.
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SP33Demon
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First off, I'm much older than you. I've seen Biggie, 2Pac, Boogie Down Productions (when Scott LaRock was still alive), Big Daddy Kane, LL, ODB, Onyx, Rakim, NWA, Pete Rock/CL Smooth, Souls of Mischief, PE, and original Wu at live concerts so I like to think I know something about rap from back in the day.
I first heard of Slim Shady around the mid 90's on a Baka Boyz (big on the West Coast) mixtape and told my brother, you have to hear this guy's flow, it's sick. What you have to realize is that nobody had a delivery like Eminem's at the time - multi-syllabic wordplay that kept listeners guessing. Of course it was even more of a novelty that he was white so he did get enhanced opportunities as a result and there is no denying it. But his flow + wordplay was what made him special (not his skin color), just like Mariah's vocal cords. There really was no equal and if there was, they obviously didn't market themselves like he could. What I'm trying to say is that Eminem had just as much buzz in the backpacker community (see Rap Olympics, local radio freestyles from that era) as 50 did in the underground mixtape community in the late 90's which meant the real heads were feelin' him. Once he had the street cred, he took it mainstream (just like 50 did) and the rest is history.
Em has permanently impacted rap the most in that it's now mainstream. It was never mainstream in the 90's unless you had BET or stayed up late to watch Yo MTV Raps with Fab 5 Freddy. Yes, by the late 90's the train definitely started rolling after the buzz of Biggie/Pac's deaths and artists like Wu/Bone/Dre/Snoop ripped up Billboard but rap didn't blow completely blow until the 2000's which was the definitive era of Eminem. "White America" was now on board because of Em and catapulted rap to perma Clear Channel status. He slayed reverse racism in rap in the same manner that MLK smashed original racist barriers and the entire world embraced it as evidenced by their votes (with money).
Let's look at some more numbers. He's tied for most consecutive number 1 albums (6) behind only the Beatles (8). That is called owning a decade. He has the fastest selling album in U.S. History (Marshall Mathers LP) on Soundscan. He has been a part of 10 number one albums.
You can't say that 8 Mile did not contribute to the prevalence of battle rapping organizations and the hundreds of thousands they generate today. 8 Mile holds the record for most sales on a DVD debut of an R-Rated movie - ever.
Here is the timeline of the Em's rise to prominence:
1998 - Aftermath (Dre's label) signs Eminem
1999 - The Slim Shady LP not #1 but goes 4X platinum, forms Shady Records
2000 - Marshall Mathers Show #1
2001 - D12 Devil's Night #1
2002 - Eminem Show #1, 8 Mile movie released, signs 50 Cent to Shady/Aftermath Records
2003 - 8 Mile #1 grossing R-rated DVD debut of all time
2004 - Encore #1, Shade 45 on XM Radio, D12 World
2005 - Greatest Hits #1
2006/2007 - Got into drugs
2008/2009 - Relapse/Refill #1
2010 - Recovery #1
2011 - Bad Meets Evil #1
2012 - starts work on new album
2013 - new album to be released on Memorial Day
Seriously, what other rapper has had a rise to prominence like this? What other artists other than the Beatles had that many consecutive number 1's? Technically, if you count his 8Mile DVD, D12, and Bad Meets Evil he's on par with the Beatles as the only thing that didn't hit #1 was D12 World (sucked anyway).
It's unprecedented what this guy has done in terms of rap popularity, look at that list and tell me someone, other than the Beatles, has had more influence in even mainstream popularity. Elvis or the Rolling Stones and MJ? Maybe, but even they didn't string together that many #1's in such a short amount of time but probably could have during their respective era's.
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LOL you can't sit there and say that about an artist.
Because guess what there are no facts here when talking about them (excluding money made, records, etc). We're talking personal preference when you say something like that.
And yes he's up there in my top 5 also. Because I don't listen to a lot rap. I hate most of the crap. But that's my opinion I don't need to justify it, I don't need you to agree with it, and that's the great thing about art nobody is right/wrong.
SP33Demon
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I've heard that Cipher. Em just has a different style. I'm not feeling it, he can flow but his messages aren't the same as someone like Joe Budden, Mos Def, or Black Thought. Maybe I can't relate to him. Lately, he hasn't really come out with anything half decent. I admit, I had his first 3 releases when I was a kid because my sister listened to him. I know many of his songs, but, I'd rather listen to ATCQ or Mobb Deep. It's just different.
Those guys will never have an album that sells 343 million copies. Not because they aren't good rappers...but because they aren't Eminem.
Who else can go again Em? He's in a league of his own. He is THE white rapper. Macklemore, Asher Roth, and Mack Miller are bubblegum rappers compared to him.
In that respect, he is in the "Top" of something. Of course rappers like Rakim will give him props. Why not? He is one of a kind. I don't agree with "Ali of Rap", though. If Rakim is willing to put someone above him in terms of rap skill, that's pretty lame.
And, Lil Wayne is garbage...but I DO indulge in his shenanigans from time to time
"(on being called Eminem's favorite rapper) My hat's always off to Eminem Eminem, that's my dude I've run into him on many occasions. My hat's off to the dude."REDMAN, HipHopDX, November 2009
"He contributes so much lyrically and musically. He's amazing."NAS, BBC 6 Music, October 2008
"Nobody's gonna be bigger than Eminem."KANYE WEST, Hot 97, August 2010
"One thing that stuck with me is that Eminem is not to be fucked with ever in hip-hop, ever."GAME, RapFix Live, August 2011
"Eminem is nasty, man. I don't care what color he is. I don't care about none of that. Real artists respect real artists, man I tell people to this day. If Em was black, he'd be the next Muhammad Alive, man."RAKIM, abcdrduson, September 2010
"I can't ignore the fact that that boy Eminem is incredible. He's lyrically incredible. Anybody that's ever sat and fronted on this dude's talent is, like, come on, man. Stop playing me."KOOL G. RAP, SOHH, July 2011
"(after being asked if he'd ever do a track with Eminem) I'm not fin to go in there fuckin' with that white boy, man!"SCARFACE, HipHopDX, April 2010
"There's always been white rappers. It's nothing new under the sun. There's only been one with worldwide success and longevity. You know who that isMarshall."YELAWOLF, 102 Jamz, September 2011
"(after meeting Eminem for the first time) Goal List Check: I Told Him Relapse Was One Of The Greatest Albums To Me."TYLER, THE CREATOR, Twitter, September 2011
"[Eminem is] a workhorse. If he told me that he had an album ready right now, I'd believe him."ROYCE DA 5'9", MTV, August 2012
"Eminem, he was the one I wanted to be like when I heard his music. I'm like, 'Man, this dude, I relate to him a lot.' He was my role model. That was the rapper that stood out more than any other rapper in the rap game. I didn't even like rap that much until he came in the scene."HOPSIN, Hard Knock TV, September 2012
"We went on a whim [on Pink Friday] and put it in the air like, 'It'd be great if he would collaborate with us.' I remember I kept talking about it, and I thought, 'It can't hurt.' I sent him one record, and he didn't love it. He didn't say, 'I don't love it,' he just said, 'Can you send me something that's a little more me?' I sent him an e-mail and thanked him for that, just having enough respect. Sometimes people don't respond. He had the respect, at least, to treat me like a peer."NICKI MINAJ, RapFix Live, October 2010
"(on meeting Eminem for the first time) To be real, that was, like, the only time I've ever been low-key. I was really smiley. I was like, 'Whoa, that's Eminem,' you know?"MAC MILLER, Hot 97, September 2012
"When Eminem was on Jay-Z's song, he fucked cuz up on that record! You know what record I'm talking about. He fucked him up on that record completely. Like, damn!"SNOOP DOGG, Shade 45, October 2009
"(speaking from prison) Em is him, and he's back in a major way. As far as Eminem the dude, he's a great dude. He's been keeping up with me since I've been in here, and I appreciate his support."LIL WAYNE, Hot 97, August 2010
"(on battling other rappers) I can't fuck with Eminem, but I got everybody else covered."LUPE FIASCO, Freestyle, November 2009
"That awesome dude's damn-near like the best rapper out here when it comes to technique, technical rhyming, wordplay, and shit like that."TECH N9NE, HipHopDX, August 2011
"Sidebar: Kanye moment if I may Eminem?!?! I think you do the credibility of this list a disservice if you don't thoroughly explain his omission. As of this second, he has the highest-selling rap album of the year and a scene-stealing verse on the best 'posse' cut of the year."JAY-Z, Letter to MTV after being crowned MTV's "Hottest MC," October 2009
"[Eminem] overcoming his own adversities, winning the battle against his own demons and continuing to break the mold and re-set the standard of what it means to be the most successful hip-hop artist in the game I salute that to no end."T.I., Billboard, November 2011
"He really helped me out a lot Getting on a record with Em definitely pushes you to get your chops up."B.O.B, Power 105, April 2010
"I brought Eminem's music to the hood when my guys were kind of shunning him."OBIE TRICE, Baller Status, April 2012
"The first time somebody said to me that they thought Eminem sounded like me, I personally didn't hear that. To me, he sounded unique he sounded like nobody that I had ever heard before."MASTA ACE, Montreality, September 2011
"I came up listening to Eminem. Just how inventive Eminem was, his rhyme style."BIG SEAN, XXL, May 2012
"He's the fifth member of Slaughterhouse at this point. He's putting in just as much work as we are, and I salute that all the way because he doesn't have to obviously."CROOKED I, XXL, February 2012
"I'd love to work with Eminem. It just hasn't happened yet."PHARRELL, Associated Press, November 2010
"Em has a cult following and they ain't gonna turn their backs on him. He's gonna shine on the darkest day I feel like his music is getting more and more powerful. The messages are bigger."LLOYD BANKS, MTV News, July 2010
"I don't know if I'm on his radar yet, but I used to hang Eminem's raps on my wall."J. COLE, Shade 45, May 2010
"For somebody to keep their cool, as stressful as the everyday world is, and then try to take on the responsibilities of being a public figure and having all the hardships he's had to deal with and to have him still come out the beautiful human being he is, there's nothing else to say but 'Bravo.'"ASHER ROTH, MTV News, May 2009
"(on listening to Eminem's delivery for the first time) It was like you were listening to a scientist."ICE-T, MTV News, June 2010
"Em definitely influenced a lot in my style. I don't think nobody's matching him now."KENDRICK LAMAR, Mr. Peter Parker, September 2012
"If you hated on Eminem, you were just a hater. As he got bigger and became more of a pop star, that's when some of the backlash started. But, it was never based on him as an MC."SLUG, The Boombox, June 2011
"I want you to make some noise for the greatest of all time, Eminem!"DRAKE, OVO Fest Concert, August 2010
"All I know is, I completed my dharma when I met you in Detroit. I have never felt better my entire life."CHARLES HAMILTON, Personal letter to Eminem, May 2010
"Em enunciates his words really, really well That's the thing that makes Em so special. He can do voiceovers. He can make his voice sound like a cartoon. He can do whatever he wants on a record."CASHIS, How to Rap: The Art & Science of the Hip-Hop MC, April 2010
"(on possibly collaborating with Eminem) Em, I promise you I been watching you for so long. I been a fan, so I wouldn't even ask you to get on a record unless I felt like it was that record. I just want to get the record into your hands, then if you want to turn me down after that, then you can turn me down."JUELZ SANTANA, UStream, March 2010
"That would be a fan favorite if an MGK/Eminem song ever went down. Best rapper alive in my opinion."MACHINE GUN KELLY, Rap-Up, August 2012
"(on Recovery) I thought I wasn't gonna like it, because niggas was saying', 'Yo, it's rock, and this and that.' But that shit was hard I think lyrically he's back to where he was. That's what I got from the album."FAT JOE, XXL, June 2010
"Eminem is like the godfather of the hip hop game Eminem has followers that's gonna mess with him until the day he dies."TONY YAYO, MTV News, July 2010
"They think Eminem is crazy, and they think he's just the '8 Million Records Sold' guy. But, as far as an MC, my awesome dude, he's underrated."KURUPT, SOHH, September 2011
"If I hadn't met Em or we hadn't linked up, he would have eventually become a success anyway, because he's so talented. I was just fortunate enough to meet him first and open the door for him."DR. DRE, XXL, December 2010
http://www.vibe.com/photo-gallery/40-compliments-rappers-have-given-eminem-over-years
SheHateMe
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And so those comments make him the GREATEST RAPPER OF ALL TIME?
Not a single rapper in your post said that. I'm not even sure what particular comment in my post you were responding to. What do 40 comments from other rappers mean? Does that mean he was crowned the best? That wasn't even the point of the article. Rappers give props to other rappers...does that necessarily mean they are saying he is the best rapper alive?I bet you can gather 40 quotes about Biggie and Tupac too. Jay-Z, Nas, etc. What is the purpose of giving me prop quotes from other rappers....
Props are props.
...but is he the best rapper there ever was?
arguably..
GN
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SP33Demon
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And so those comments make him the GREATEST RAPPER OF ALL TIME?
Props are props.
...but is he the best rapper there ever was?
arguably..
Many of those comments imply that he's greatest, like Lupe's. Oh, you didn't know that many rappers were on Em's nuts huh? I'm here to educate, you're welcome.
Now address the fact that the Beatles are the only other act with more consecutive #1's and Eminem is arguably just as big (if not more) than Micheal Jackson, Rolling Stones, and Elvis during their eras if you look at #1 albums and sales. This should be good. What other rapper is even close to Eminem in popularity? Jay-Z? lol
SheHateMe
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Ahhh, I never said Eminem hasn't received props from anyone. But, whatever. If he didn't get props from other rappers, nobody would be talking about him, now would we?
I said he wasn't the best, so you show me a wall of text of people showing him love. OK.
I don't need you to educate me on rap or rappers, I listen to the stuff all day.
Thinking in terms of rappers who have a lot of sales, yes...Jay-Z would be the only rapper that could come in second. I don't know why that would be funny to you anyway, Jay-Z was SOLID in his earlier days. He still has some Jams...even if he's delivering shitty lines in Justin Timberlake's new single.
And you KNOW that if Eminem looked like Nas and were out back in early 2000 rapping violent lyrics about his mother and his daughters mother he would not have blown up at all. People often characterize Rap as violent vitrol and that is exactly what Em was spitting when he first came out..and then he had the weird personalities....
If he looked like anyone else in the rap game, how do you think it would have turned out for him? He would be just another rapper. Like I said before, he is in his own class. He can do things that other rappers cannot do.
If he were some black dude he would have been charactized as a gangster rapper based on his angry lyrics alone. The mainstream industry would have slept on him.
He had the grittiness of a black rapper in a white package. Who could do that back then? I think everyone was still recovering from Marky Mark and Vanilla Ice.
Nas (for example) is an amazing MC, tracks like "World is Yours" and "Get Down" as pretty much legendary Nas tracks....yet, he doesn't have a single Grammy. Eminem has what...13?
Why do you think that is?
Hint: It ain't because Nas doesn't have several records on par with Eminem's... Em gets his own special class. Nobody in rap looks like him. There are several people in this thread that claim they don't like rap yet, they listen to Eminem....so how many people do you think that bought his albums and contributed to his success are the same way? Nas had a killer album this year...and he wasn't nominated for a single thing at the Grammy's yet pop rappers like Macklemore and Mac Miller would be more likely to get a nod before Nas. would.
Again..those two have the same type of fans that would say they don't like rap but listen to Macklemore or Mac Miller.
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<---- guy who knows very little about Eminem.
Seemed like Eminem was the Weird Al of rap when he first came around, all his songs were meant to be funny and poking fun. I'm not too familiar with his more serious stuff. Doesn't seem like he's had any songs out in the last 7 or 8 years, I guess he's more into producing and doing management stuff now.
What are his best tracks?
I know he was critically acclaimed for 8 mile, haven't seen it yet.
Seemed like Eminem was the Weird Al of rap when he first came around, all his songs were meant to be funny and poking fun. I'm not too familiar with his more serious stuff. Doesn't seem like he's had any songs out in the last 7 or 8 years, I guess he's more into producing and doing management stuff now.
What are his best tracks?
I know he was critically acclaimed for 8 mile, haven't seen it yet.
This can be argued all day, but here's a few.
Spacebound:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JByDbPn6A1o
Love the Way You Lie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uelHwf8o7_U&list=UU20vb-R_px4CguHzzBPhoyQ&index=8
Not Afraid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5-yKhDd64s&list=UU20vb-R_px4CguHzzBPhoyQ
Stan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOMhN-hfMtY&list=UU20vb-R_px4CguHzzBPhoyQ
When I'm Gone:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wYNFfgrXTI&list=UU20vb-R_px4CguHzzBPhoyQ
Edit: This track shows off his ability pretty well. He has mastered rhyme scheme, flow, and inserting wit and creativity into a song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HREOeYTt94
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Stubborn because I don't want to crown Eminem as the best rapper there ever was? I know better than that. He won't even crown himself as the best rapper
You said already that you don't know shit about rap. You don't listen to it. To you, Eminem is the best thing you've ever heard because you haven't heard anything else. You couldn't even contribute a single thing to the debate about a single rapper...except Macklemore who is pretty much Justin Beiber to rap right now. Dude just burst on the scene...he shouldn't even be brought up when talking about Eminem.
SP33Demon posted links to comments about how good he is. That's great. I never said Em doesn't get props from other rappers.
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2pack was the realest of the rappers. He'd spit rhymes at the circle while also doing his own beatbox.
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I wish I could just stick you in my pocket and carry you around everywhere I go.
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No thanks, I don't want to suffer from the constant Macklemore coming from your iPod
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