Somali pirates hijack ship; 20 Americans aboard

[alien42]

Originally posted by: winnar111
He'll pretend to care about Africa then do absolutely nothing.

Lefties and Europeans don't actually give a damn about the continent.

i bet you haven't been to Africa, i have and they do not want our help.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: winnar111
He'll pretend to care about Africa then do absolutely nothing.

Lefties and Europeans don't actually give a damn about the continent.

i bet you haven't been to Africa, i have and they do not want our help.

Africa is the 2nd largest continent on the planet. You can't speak of it like it is a country.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
damn has the government gone paranoid ?
Reading about the ships I get a pop up

http://www.higgins.navy.mil/default.aspx

This is a Department of Defense Computer System. This computer system, including all related equipment, networks, and network devices (specifically including Internet access) are provided only for authorized U.S. Government use. DoD computer systems may be monitored for all lawful purposes, including to ensure that their use is authorized, for management of the system, to facilitate protection against unauthorized access, and to verify security procedures, survivability, and operational security. Monitoring includes active attacks by authorized DoD entities to test or verify the security of this system. During monitoring, information may be examined, recorded, copied and used for authorized purposes. All information, including personal information, placed or sent over this system may be monitored.


Use of this DoD computer system, authorized or unauthorized, constitutes consent to monitoring of this system. Unauthorized use may subject you to criminal prosecution. Evidence of unauthorized use collected during monitoring may be used for administrative, criminal, or other adverse action. Use of this system constitutes consent to monitoring for these purposes.

Every DoD network that you log onto has had that warning for as long as I can remember. At least 10 years or so.

 

[NoStateofMind]

Demand that pirates give up, then invade Iran. What? Bush did it!

 

[Fear No Evil]

Has Obama surrendered yet? The French are going to seem like hard asses soon.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: JD50
I'm sure that he has a contingency plan for this man made disaster that has occurred overseas.

Nicely done...

Attaboy, for the reach around.

 

[piasabird]

O'Bamma will do nothing. He is a coward.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: piasabird
O'Bamma will do nothing. He is a coward.

Obama won't order the Navy to do anything beyond monitor the situation until the shipping company hands over control of the situation to the Navy.

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: K1052
The USS Iowa is sitting in Suisun Bay not doing anything.

Shouldn't take a whole lot of work to make sure she's seaworthy and find some sailors who remember how to work the 16 inch guns and pound the living shit out of where they're operating from. That's how countries used to handle this sort of thing.

It would probably take a lot of work to make sure she's seaworthy, there are likely almost no sailors still in the fleet who know how to work/maintain her 16 inch guns, there is likely almost no ammunition available for them and the ammo that is around is probably of questionable use having sat on the shelf for almost 20 years, the pirates are probably operating from a coastal city filled with poor, law abiding citizens whose deaths would create a PR nightmare for the US while doing very little to disrupt the pirates' operations, etc. Need I go on?

Every time something happens overseas I love seeing the psychopathic armchair generals come out of the woodwork on here and scream for a bloodbath to fix whatever problem we have.

Actually part of the requirement when they retired them was that the navy had to preserve the ships and have plans in place for a rapid reactivation, should it be required. Provided the shells were stored properly they'll work just fine.

Efforts should also be made to locate the tender ships the pirates are using and sink them as well in addition to taking them out in ports.

Well a quick check on the good 'ol wiki (and yes, they have supporting links for this) says that the US Navy placed the cost of reactivating just two ships at more than $500 million. Furthermore in response to nuxto they would need to spend an additional $110 million to replenish the gunpowder store for the ships because, as I stated before, the gunpowder's extended life on the shelf has made it unsafe and unusable.

You guys want to drop $600 million so we can shoot some pretty guns, when any ship in the fleet is just as capable, if not moreso?

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: K1052
The USS Iowa is sitting in Suisun Bay not doing anything.

Shouldn't take a whole lot of work to make sure she's seaworthy and find some sailors who remember how to work the 16 inch guns and pound the living shit out of where they're operating from. That's how countries used to handle this sort of thing.

It would probably take a lot of work to make sure she's seaworthy, there are likely almost no sailors still in the fleet who know how to work/maintain her 16 inch guns, there is likely almost no ammunition available for them and the ammo that is around is probably of questionable use having sat on the shelf for almost 20 years, the pirates are probably operating from a coastal city filled with poor, law abiding citizens whose deaths would create a PR nightmare for the US while doing very little to disrupt the pirates' operations, etc. Need I go on?

Every time something happens overseas I love seeing the psychopathic armchair generals come out of the woodwork on here and scream for a bloodbath to fix whatever problem we have.

Actually part of the requirement when they retired them was that the navy had to preserve the ships and have plans in place for a rapid reactivation, should it be required. Provided the shells were stored properly they'll work just fine.

Efforts should also be made to locate the tender ships the pirates are using and sink them as well in addition to taking them out in ports.

Well a quick check on the good 'ol wiki (and yes, they have supporting links for this) says that the US Navy placed the cost of reactivating just two ships at more than $500 million. Furthermore in response to nuxto they would need to spend an additional $110 million to replenish the gunpowder store for the ships because, as I stated before, the gunpowder's extended life on the shelf has made it unsafe and unusable.

You guys want to drop $600 million so we can shoot some pretty guns, when any ship in the fleet is just as capable, if not moreso?

And the only reason that the 2 Iowa class battleships are maintained in such a state is for the ability for shore bombardment during an amphibious landing. They are not ships designed for chasing after pirates. Destroyers and the upcoming Littoral Combat ships are more suited for that role.

I wonder if the navy still operates any small gun boats that they can deploy into the area to increase the area we can watch, like these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Aries_(PHM-5)

 

[Cattlegod]

give them the money, get the hostages. then nuke them from orbit

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
give them the money, get the hostages. then nuke them from orbit

Not so sure about that.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
give them the money, get the hostages. then nuke them from orbit

Finding their masters would be much more fruitful - though not as pulse quickening. I imagine that the worker pirates are a dime a dozen.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: piasabird
O'Bamma will do nothing. He is a coward.

Obama won't order the Navy to do anything beyond monitor the situation until the shipping company hands over control of the situation to the Navy.

Obama needs the permission of the shipping company to defend citizens of the United States? Jesus Christ... You are the POTUS.. show some fucking leadership.

 

[Cattlegod]

Originally posted by: Atreus21

Originally posted by: Cattlegod
give them the money, get the hostages. then nuke them from orbit

Not so sure about that.

print money to replace nuked money?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: piasabird
O'Bamma will do nothing. He is a coward.

Obama won't order the Navy to do anything beyond monitor the situation until the shipping company hands over control of the situation to the Navy.

Obama needs the permission of the shipping company to defend citizens of the United States? Jesus Christ... You are the POTUS.. show some fucking leadership.

Leadership by stupidity isn't a desirable trait. We had 8 years of that recently.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: Fear No Evil

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: piasabird
O'Bamma will do nothing. He is a coward.

Obama won't order the Navy to do anything beyond monitor the situation until the shipping company hands over control of the situation to the Navy.

Obama needs the permission of the shipping company to defend citizens of the United States? Jesus Christ... You are the POTUS.. show some fucking leadership.

Obama is disagreeing with the pirates without being disagreeable.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Modelworks
Well the pirates are not on the ship anymore, they are sitting in a lifeboat with the captain. They are expected to ask for more money than usual since Americans are supposed to be worth more. Obviously we could fire one time and blow the lifeboat to bits. They have said that the destroyer is an observer only at this point and that it is standard policy to let the boat owners handle the situation. So the ball is in Maersk court right now .

International waters with a US citizen held by pirates, that thing is only an observer until it feels like it doesn't want to be one. There is little it can do, however.

 

[seemingly random]

I think people are severely disappointed that we don't have a potus like maccain who would be shooting from the hip.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: seemingly random
I think people are severely disappointed that we don't have a potus like maccain who would be shooting from the hip.

I'm sure Obama is reading a book about leadership.

 

[brandonbull]

Originally posted by: Brainonska511

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Superrock
The fact that they attacked American vessels ticks me off. I hope we authorize some real force to blow those pirates out of the water.

Last I heard a Destroyer was on the way.

Yep, the USS Bainbridge, but the last article I read said it won't be there till Thursday morning.

Taking their time?

 

[trenchfoot]

Yep, I knew it...I knew it....This all Obama's fault. :laugh:

This all had nothing to do with the split-second-under-high-stress decision making that went on on that ship when the pirates engaged them. They should have called Pres. Obama the moment they knew they were being pirated.

 

[Budmantom]

Originally posted by: tweaker2
Yep, I knew it...I knew it....This all Obama's fault. :laugh:

This all had nothing to do with the split-second-under-high-stress decision making that went on on that ship when the pirates engaged them. They should have called Pres. Obama the moment they knew they were being pirated.

It's America's fault, Obama will apologize.

 

[seemingly random]

Originally posted by: Budmantom

Originally posted by: seemingly random
I think people are severely disappointed that we don't have a potus like maccain who would be shooting from the hip.

I'm sure Obama is reading a book about leadership.

Why would he need to do this? He's been a community organizer. It's more qualification than anything the party of no has to offer.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: K1052

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: K1052
The USS Iowa is sitting in Suisun Bay not doing anything.

Shouldn't take a whole lot of work to make sure she's seaworthy and find some sailors who remember how to work the 16 inch guns and pound the living shit out of where they're operating from. That's how countries used to handle this sort of thing.

It would probably take a lot of work to make sure she's seaworthy, there are likely almost no sailors still in the fleet who know how to work/maintain her 16 inch guns, there is likely almost no ammunition available for them and the ammo that is around is probably of questionable use having sat on the shelf for almost 20 years, the pirates are probably operating from a coastal city filled with poor, law abiding citizens whose deaths would create a PR nightmare for the US while doing very little to disrupt the pirates' operations, etc. Need I go on?

Every time something happens overseas I love seeing the psychopathic armchair generals come out of the woodwork on here and scream for a bloodbath to fix whatever problem we have.

Actually part of the requirement when they retired them was that the navy had to preserve the ships and have plans in place for a rapid reactivation, should it be required. Provided the shells were stored properly they'll work just fine.

Efforts should also be made to locate the tender ships the pirates are using and sink them as well in addition to taking them out in ports.

Well a quick check on the good 'ol wiki (and yes, they have supporting links for this) says that the US Navy placed the cost of reactivating just two ships at more than $500 million. Furthermore in response to nuxto they would need to spend an additional $110 million to replenish the gunpowder store for the ships because, as I stated before, the gunpowder's extended life on the shelf has made it unsafe and unusable.

You guys want to drop $600 million so we can shoot some pretty guns, when any ship in the fleet is just as capable, if not moreso?

You don't have to refit the whole damn ship to 2009 standards in order to sortie it against this sort of a threat. The projectiles are fine. Propellant charges could probably be replaced for less than $20M as you'd only be doing it for one ship (which has only two operable turrets).