[Solved] AMD FX 6300 or wait for Steamroller

[wilds]

That 7850 should be able to run your games at 1080P unless your CPU bogs you down. I seriously doubt you would need an onboard GPU since the likelihood of a failure is generally low. But if the cost is not a big difference, than the power savings may save you some money.

 

[gx_saurav]

Hi Guys, I inquired the rates in market today. AMD FM1 CPUs are no longer available so I am ordering from Amazon. The total cost will be $ 125 - $50 (selling current CPU) = $ 75.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/...sfl_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE

I also need to buy a thermal paste. How is Cooler master IC V1 for this CPU?

http://www.ebay.in/itm/Cooler-Maste...pt=IN_Computer_Components&hash=item27d28e2729

Once I have this CPU, I will use it with onboard graphics only till Black friday and upgrade to Radeon HD 7850 OR equivalent Radeon HD 9xxx GPU if available by then.

I was also thinking of upgrading my CPU cabinet to NZXT Beta Evo which is easily available here for $ 45. How is this cabinet?

 

[USER8000]

Hi Guys, I inquired the rates in market today. AMD FM1 CPUs are no longer available so I am ordering from Amazon. The total cost will be $ 125 - $50 (selling current CPU) = $ 75.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/...sfl_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE

I also need to buy a thermal paste. How is Cooler master IC V1 for this CPU?

http://www.ebay.in/itm/Cooler-Maste...pt=IN_Computer_Components&hash=item27d28e2729

Once I have this CPU, I will use it with onboard graphics only till Black friday and upgrade to Radeon HD 7850 OR equivalent Radeon HD 9xxx GPU if available by then.

I was also thinking of upgrading my CPU cabinet to NZXT Beta Evo which is easily available here for $ 45. How is this cabinet?

The A6-3670K costs £53:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-li...w?ie=UTF8&condition=new&qid=1374320326&sr=1-1

The X4 651K costs £60:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/AMD-Athlon-...e=UTF8&qid=1374320313&sr=1-1&keywords=x4+651k

I would get the A6-3670K as it has an unlocked multiplier and you could probably get it to the same clockspeed as the A8-3870K.

 

[NostaSeronx]

You should wait for Kaveri which will come out Q4 2013. Just so you know we are in Q3 2013, you have 4.5 months to go through. The extra months is because November is the paper launch, December is the actual release.

 

[NTMBK]

You should wait for Kaveri which will come out Q4 2013. Just so you know we are in Q3 2013, you have 4.5 months to go through. The extra months is because November is the paper launch, December is the actual release.

In the US, sure- but how long will it take for it to reach the Indian market?

 

[gx_saurav]

You should wait for Kaveri which will come out Q4 2013.

In the US, sure- but how long will it take for it to reach the Indian market?

That is the million dollar question. That 3870k should be able to carry my gaming needs till next year easily considering my usage scenario. I won't be upgrading to Kaveri and would rather prefer to upgrade to a FX series CPU.

The A6-3670K costs £53

That is a good price but as I mentioned I don't intend to overclock. I want to have a stable computing experience. I would have purchased this if the speed difference wasn't as much as 300 Mhz.

I can very well keep my existing CPU and just buy the new GPU but it will be a bottleneck. This 3870k will reduce that bottleneck to a large extent for 10-12 more months.

 

[AtenRa]

What games do you play or plan to play ??

 

[gx_saurav]

What games do you play or plan to play ??

I like games such as Crysis series, Deus Ex, Tomb Raider, Batman Arkham series, Rage. I don't like sports, racing, Skyrim, DoTA etc.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Personally, I would just go with the 6300 and if you can, over clock it. There are rumors Kaveri is delayed. May not be true, but since it is almost august and we have seen no leaks yet, it makes me wonder. It will be an APU anyway, and if you are adding a discrete card, not sure if it will be that much faster than 6300.

 

[NostaSeronx]

There are rumors Kaveri is delayed.

The delay explained:
Decemeber 2013 SKUs -
A10 Unlocked
A10 Locked
A8 Unlocked
All other SKUs delayed or are only OEM.

 

[frozentundra123456]

The delay explained:
Decemeber 2013 SKUs -
A10 Unlocked
A10 Locked
A8 Unlocked
All other SKUs delayed or are only OEM.

Source? In any case, does that guarantee availability, or that it will be significantly faster than the FX 6300?

Price could also be an issue since the FX is cheap now and AMD tried to push out Richland for 140 or 150 bucks (dont remember exactly) for the highest model. Cant imagine Kaveri at least initially will be any cheaper.

 

[NostaSeronx]

Source? In any case, does that guarantee availability, or that it will be significantly faster than the FX 6300?

The source is from digitimes, and various other outlets of rumor info that didn't copy digitimes.

Quad-core Kaveri @ x GHz = Eight-core Vishera @ x GHz
x being the same clock rate

Price could also be an issue since the FX is cheap now and AMD tried to push out Richland for 140 or 150 bucks (dont remember exactly) for the highest model. Cant imagine Kaveri at least initially will be any cheaper.

Since, Kaveri and Berlin replaces Vishera and Seoul/Delhi. The highest price point for Seoul is $499. The median price for Seoul and Delhi is $349.

Expect high prices, be relieved with low prices.

 

[gx_saurav]

Seems like it is best to wait. Even if I get that A8 3870k right now, I will still be playing games on its onboard graphics till December (when my new GPU is delivered) which I am anyway doing right now.

I am postponing this upgrade till December now but upgrading other components. I want to make a good foundation for PC and upgrades for the next 2 3 years.

1. Cooler master Centurian 6 for around $ 80. I can use my existing Corsair CX 500v2 with this and sell my 3 year old Zebronics Bijli + another 500W SMPS I have lying around to recover some amount. Since cabinets last a lot, it will be a one time buy.
2. I have a 64 GB ADATA SSD with OS and apps in it. Games are installed on a 500 GB Western digital Caviar black HDD. I installed games on the SSD and found the only difference to be faster loading time which I can live without. Is it worth upgrading to a 128 GB SSD if loading time in games are not in consideration?
3. Once these ^ updates are done, I will wait till Black friday and collect some money to buy AMD FX 6300 + MSI 970A-g43 + Gigabyte Radeon HD 7850 OC or equivalent Steamroller platform.

 

[frozentundra123456]

The source is from digitimes, and various other outlets of rumor info that didn't copy digitimes.

Quad-core Kaveri @ x GHz = Eight-core Vishera @ x GHz
x being the same clock rate

Since, Kaveri and Berlin replaces Vishera and Seoul/Delhi. The highest price point for Seoul is $499. The median price for Seoul and Delhi is $349.

Expect high prices, be relieved with low prices.

If you are referring to the most recent digitimes article quoted in another thread, it says that the A8 and A10 available in December are only pilot samples to its clients and the processor may not show up in retail channels until April 2014.

 

[erunion]

If you are referring to the most recent digitimes article quoted in another thread, it says that the A8 and A10 available in December are only pilot samples to its clients and the processor may not show up in retail channels until April 2014.

I agree. But we might see a vendor sample out a low volume halo product to websites. Like MSI did with Richland.

 

[Headfoot]

Get the 7850 2GB. Games are using more memory, and you will easily be able to play at 1080p with settings turned up on an overclocked 7850, but you will bottleneck with that RAM in some games now and many more games in the future. It just isn't worth the cost savings. If you are replacing the APU with a K model and overclocking, it might be worth getting a nicer cooler you can re-use for your next build. Like a Coolermast Hyper 212+ or Xigmatek S1283

 

[PPB]

The source is from digitimes, and various other outlets of rumor info that didn't copy digitimes.

Quad-core Kaveri @ x GHz = Eight-core Vishera @ x GHz
x being the same clock rate

What? Are you saying they will DOUBLE the ipc just like that? If that's so, I expect a massive clock loss to make up from the extra beefyness in the cores to stay within the same thermal envelopes we are accoustumed to see in the FMx platform.

 

[gx_saurav]

Get the 7850 2GB. Games are using more memory, and you will easily be able to play at 1080p with settings turned up on an overclocked 7850, but you will bottleneck with that RAM in some games now and many more games in the future. It just isn't worth the cost savings. If you are replacing the APU with a K model and overclocking, it might be worth getting a nicer cooler you can re-use for your next build. Like a Coolermast Hyper 212+ or Xigmatek S1283

I saw two models on Amazon by Gigabyte which are eligible for shipping to India.

Gigabyte GV-R785OC-2GD for $226 975 Mhz clock and 4800 Mhz RAM
Gigabyte GV-R785OC-1GD FOR $152 900 Mhz clock and 4800 Mhz RAM

As you can see the price difference is very high but since I am planning to buy this during Black Friday, I will keep your advice in mind and will buy the 2 GB edition if it is under my budget.

Edit: I read many articles and other threads related to RAM usage. Since I intend to play at 1600x900 mostly, 1 GB RAM is sufficient enough. 2 GB VRAM is not worth the amount for me. I use a Samsung P2370MS Monitor at 1080p.

 

[frozentundra123456]

What? Are you saying they will DOUBLE the ipc just like that? If that's so, I expect a massive clock loss to make up from the extra beefyness in the cores to stay within the same thermal envelopes we are accoustumed to see in the FMx platform.

Depends on how well threaded the app is I would think. If you are only using one or two cores, then it is possible.

 

[PPB]

I dont think you understood his statement.

When you say a Quad core product, at the same clock, performs the same as a Octa Core one, you would assume we are already talking about multithreaded performance, if not, such statement becomes bogus (you just dont mention cores involved and talk about single threaded performance). That kind of statement seems possible reaching 2x IPC of the Octa core's single threaded performance. Either that or a mixture of IPC and reducing module sharing penalties (which is .8x i think right now).

 

[gx_saurav]

I ordered Cooler Master HAF 912 Combat today available here for around $ 75. Planning to start making the system on Saturday.

This cabinet has 120mm front and rear fan preinstalled. I will be installing a 120mm from my old cabinet in this at the top for exhaust.

The front fan will intake air and rear + top fan will exhaust hot air out. I will install a side intake fan in this cabinet once I get the GPU.

My CPU fan faces either the upper side of cabinet or lower side. It cannot face towards the rear fan due to cooler assembly in my motherboard. I have set it so that it takes air from one side and pushes air from the other side towards the upper fan which will exhaust hot air from CPU cooler outside. Is this configuration fine?

 

[PPB]

If you cant assure the same cuantity of CFM as intake or exhaust, your choice is to bring more air into the case than out, as the latter causes negative pressure, upping overall temps of the components inside the case. So that extra 120mm for now would better be placed as intake.

Btw, still waiting for the claims regarding Kaveri IPC. I would really like that to be truth so there is more of a competition in the desktop space, but honestly i'm not expecting anything more than 20% increase from Piledriver.

 

[gx_saurav]

@PPB

So, how should I install the fans?

120 mm for front intake preinstalled.
120 mm for rear exhaust preinstalled.
120mm at top for intake or exhaust?

 

[KingFatty]

If you cant assure the same cuantity of CFM as intake or exhaust, your choice is to bring more air into the case than out, as the latter causes negative pressure, upping overall temps of the components inside the case. So that extra 120mm for now would better be placed as intake.

Btw, still waiting for the claims regarding Kaveri IPC. I would really like that to be truth so there is more of a competition in the desktop space, but honestly i'm not expecting anything more than 20% increase from Piledriver.

I'm curious about your comments regarding negative or positive pressure, any source for that claim?

I have heard that you want to make sure there is air *flow* and avoid generating "dead" spots where the air stops moving and sits there. But I never paid attention to the overall pressure inside the case, whether to encourage it to be positive or negative? That sounds very interesting, but I can't help but think the pressure doesn't help whether it's positive or negative, and it's more about how the wind blows around and keeps moving inside the case? Maybe the air pressure being negative would allow air to leak inside the case from non-fan locations, and being positive would allow air to leak out at non-fan locations. But the pressure itself acting on components, that surely is negligible right? Like maybe within half of a percent of ambient pressure, so the components won't "feel" the pressure difference, but you can control the direction of air leaks?

 

[xbanzai89]

Since, Kaveri and Berlin replaces Vishera and Seoul/Delhi. The highest price point for Seoul is $499. The median price for Seoul and Delhi is $349.

Expect high prices, be relieved with low prices.

This is wrong. Kaveri and Berlin are not replacing the current Piledriver line in the high end desktop and server segmens. Kaveri is replacing Richland (AMD 6000 series), which does not go into the FX territory. Berlin is only going into the 1P server area, not the 2P-4P server market that currently Piledriver has. Piledriver in the server market is going to be replaced by Warsaw, but that is still Piledriver cores with some potential improvements.

See this roadmap http://techreport.com/news/24973/berlin-warsaw-are-the-future-of-amd-x86-server-lineup