Sodomy Laws

[Lemon law]

To a certain extent, we have two types of Sodomy to deal with.

1. Sodomy as one variant of consenting sexual acts between two people.

2. Sodomy as a means of non consensual rape. With the use of Sodomy making the illegal rape act even more traumatic to the victim.

I am in favor of eliminating any sodomy laws in the type one situation, but retaining both existing rape laws and calling sodomy an extenuating circumstance that calls for stiffer rape punishments.

 

[werepossum]

The topics in here never cease to amaze me. Like this has any real importance in our world today.

Agreed, but liberty is always important. It's been a mere two decades since my state (Tennessee) reaffirmed its commitment to enforcing its felony sodomy laws while promising to enforce them only on homosexuals - BTW, an affirmation shared by Georgia which then prosecuted a man for sodomy with his wife, which came out in divorce court. Besides the problem of the government promising to treat some people differently, which is bad enough for positive discrimination like affirmative action, we should never forget that government always desires ever more power. Even most small government GOPers have their preferred tyrannies, and if we forget past power grabs we're more likely to get snookered in the future.

 

[Dekasa]

To a certain extent, we have two types of Sodomy to deal with.

1. Sodomy as one variant of consenting sexual acts between two people.

2. Sodomy as a means of non consensual rape. With the use of Sodomy making the illegal rape act even more traumatic to the victim.

I am in favor of eliminating any sodomy laws in the type one situation, but retaining both existing rape laws and calling sodomy an extenuating circumstance that calls for stiffer rape punishments.

I'm against the extra crimes for #2 for the same reason I'm against hate crimes. It doesn't matter that you were extra cruel in rape, we just shoot you the same just like the rest.

 

[zsdersw]

I also don't support "hate crimes". A crime is a crime.

 

[bamacre]

The OP must have missed that Montana Republicans are pushing for the criminalization just for being gay that you get arrested and imprisoned.

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2...ntana/index.html?source=rss&aim=/news/feature

9-18-2010

Montana GOP: Ban homosexuality

The official party platform declares an intent to make being gay illegal


Montana GOP executive director Bowen Greenwood said that has been the position of the party since the state Supreme Court struck down state laws criminalizing homosexuality in 1997 in the case of Gryczan v. Montana.

The Montana GOP statement, which falls under the "Crime" section of the GOP platform. It states: "We support the clear will of the people of Montana expressed by legislation to keep homosexual acts illegal."

From the link...

"I looked at that and said, 'You've got to be kidding me,'" state Sen. John Brueggeman, R-Polson, said last week. "Should it get taken out? Absolutely. Does anybody think we should be arresting homosexual people? If you take that stand, you really probably shouldn't be in the Republican Party."

Pretty fucking pathetic it was ever there, however, it seems you left out a relevant part of the story. Knowing you, it was left out intentionally. But then, no one here expects honesty out of you. Hell, no one here even expects sanity from you.

 

[woolfe9999]

That a majority of people here would be of the opinion best represented by voting "yes" to the poll.

I made it a public poll to point out those who are hypocritical; those who advocate individual liberties in some things but not others.

Not exactly very difficult to predict, as polls and posts on this board show a strong slant toward social liberalism. Basically, this board consists of nearly equal parts liberals and libertarians, with a small number of social conservatives mixed in.

However, I will point out that by making this a public poll, you may have unwittingly biased the sample even further against the socially conservative position, as some people may be reluctant to publically go against what they know is the grain of opinion around here. I posit that there are some people who would have voted "ban sodomy" but did not vote because they didn't want their names on the public list.

- wolf

 

[MJinZ]

I also don't support "hate crimes". A crime is a crime.

Uh, not all crimes are created equal... just like nobody in this world is, despite what the founding fathers would like you to believe. Equal treatment does not mean equal measure.

 

[her209]

Why is incest illegal if its between two consenting adults?

 

[woolfe9999]

Why is incest illegal if its between two consenting adults?

Because it is an ancient taboo?

- wolf

 

[Narmer]

OK. We get it. You're gay.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Because it is an ancient taboo?

- wolf

Well if you are going to say it's ok for homosexuals to have sex and we shouldn't have laws against it, then you need to also support repealing laws against incest.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

OK. We get it. You're gay.

He's FABULOUS!!!

 

[MJinZ]

Well if you are going to say it's ok for homosexuals to have sex and we shouldn't have laws against it, then you need to also support repealing laws against incest.

I also support laws upholding Penguins rights to do whatever they want.

Or maybe I really don't care?

People can have sex with their relatives for all they want. That is how the human race started. Adam and Eve and then their children fucked.

 

[Narmer]

What about people having sex with animals? Animals are regarded as property, right? If a person is allowed to do unnatural things to his coffee table, what about Rufus?

 

[MJinZ]

What about people having sex with animals? Animals are regarded as property, right? If a person is allowed to do unnatural things to his coffee table, what about Rufus?

Probably Animal cruelty cuz Animals don't like to have sex with Humans.

 

[Narmer]

Probably Animal cruelty cuz Animals don't like to have sex with Humans.

Did your dog tell you that?

 

[MJinZ]

Did your dog tell you that?

If I had one, yes he could speak and tell me that. Or you could use a little common sense and ask yourself if you would like to have sex with a Gorilla if one owned you as a slave.

 

[zsdersw]

Uh, not all crimes are created equal... just like nobody in this world is, despite what the founding fathers would like you to believe. Equal treatment does not mean equal measure.

I never said they were equal. What I was saying is that committing a crime because someone is of a particular gender, race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. doesn't make the crime any more or less of a crime.

 

[Narmer]

If I had one, yes he could speak and tell me that. Or you could use a little common sense and ask yourself if you would like to have sex with a Gorilla if one owned you as a slave.

Common sense? I see dogs humping people's legs; humping women on their periods; humping anything stationary. Just sayin.

 

[zsdersw]

OK. We get it. You're gay.

*shrug*.. if you don't like it, don't read my posts.

 

[Darwin333]

Uh, not all crimes are created equal... just like nobody in this world is, despite what the founding fathers would like you to believe. Equal treatment does not mean equal measure.

I am pretty sure that is why there are currently "ranges" in the sentencing phase.

 

[MJinZ]

I never said they were equal. What I was saying is that committing a crime because someone is of a particular gender, race, religion, sexual orientation, etc. doesn't make the crime any more or less of a crime.

Actually, yes it does. That's what hate crimes, genocides, and crimes against humanity are.

They are more serious than crimes against a rich person (like stealing their wallet) or a stupid person (punching them in the face).

Laws treat anti-humanistic behavior more seriously because they are infact much more grave in light of trying to preserve both a semblance of humanity and civilization.

 

[Darwin333]

What about people having sex with animals? Animals are regarded as property, right? If a person is allowed to do unnatural things to his coffee table, what about Rufus?

Exactly what does that have to do with consenting adults?

 

[MJinZ]

Common sense? I see dogs humping people's legs; humping women on their periods; humping anything stationary. Just sayin.

Dog humping explained.

http://www.vetinfo.com/dog-humping-explained.html

I'm not a pet owner and that took 1 second of Googling to dispel a notion that was fairly obvious to me at 2nd thought.

 

[Narmer]

*shrug*.. if you don't like it, don't read my posts.

You've made many threads and this is the only one I've posted in. I just think you're trying too hard. No one cares.