Markfw
Moderator Emeritus, Elite Member
- May 16, 2002
- 27,258
- 16,116
- 136
And Intel chipsets are the best say the Intel fanboys ?? I think not ! Of course it could be chip incompatabilities, or OS compatabilities, any way you figure it, I would NEVER get one of these EE chips at this point ! (not that I would have before anyway...)
exar333
Diamond Member
- Feb 7, 2004
- 8,518
- 8
- 91
regardless of how this test goes, most readers here are TERRIBLE researchers as they somehoe already know what is faster...i love AMD, dont get me wrong, but if you go into every test with so many biases, you destroy any sort of findings you may have...for Chris sakes, relax a little bit and see what happens...you know (we know) the test seems bogus anyway....anytime you go into a "experiment" expecting certain things, you destroy the whole point of thr work and make yourself sound like idiots...
dug777
Lifer
- Oct 13, 2004
- 24,778
- 4
- 0
that's just stupid. Did AT mention a single stability problem in their testing? Making a call like that based on a single, clearly badly implemented test just screams that you're an opinionated AMD fanboy
(tho an awesome bloke at least :beer: )That said, the X2 setup is doing very nicely, i think given the benches i've seen on AT i know what i'll be buying
Markfw
Moderator Emeritus, Elite Member
- May 16, 2002
- 27,258
- 16,116
- 136
Well dug, I see your point but did Anand have this long of a stress test ? I don;t allways read every line of a review, but sometimes I have seen comments about a re-boot in an Anandreview.
Regardless, something is very wrong with the setup, and I find it hard to believe that anybody working at Toms is so incompetant, that they can;t build a stable PC, unless of course, bad hardware, or incompatable hardware is all they have ??
Regardless, something is very wrong with the setup, and I find it hard to believe that anybody working at Toms is so incompetant, that they can;t build a stable PC, unless of course, bad hardware, or incompatable hardware is all they have ??
Maybe Tom should have selected a reference Intel motherboard rather than Gigabyte.
Intel chipsets ARE the best, but they've got to be paired with other quality components.
Intel chipsets ARE the best, but they've got to be paired with other quality components.
not with lower quality components as presscots cores! So what would they use?
So in this case. I don't see any low quality component in tom's intel setup, in sipite of this the intel system is very unstable.
If you got that from me I might have been wrong. A dull red coloured, er, 'thing' has appeared on top of the Asus' NorthBridge Heatsink a couple of times. The first time I saw it without the red addition (extra cooling?) I assumed, maybe incorrectly, that they had replaced the Asus board for another, but I've since seen this red thing on the current Asus board too.
As far as using an Intel chipset is concerened I think they wanted to, but also wanted to use SLI so they had to go down the Nforce 4 IE route instead. That would keep the two platforms as similar as possible though, if the idea was to test the CPUs. If they wanted to test 'platform' stability, though, then perhaps they should have dropped SLI and gone with an Intel Chipset on the Intel box and maybe an Nforce 4 Ultra on the AMD box.
AnandThenMan
Diamond Member
- Nov 11, 2004
- 3,991
- 627
- 126
So neither ASUS or Gigabyte makes a quality board? Only Intel? Come on. ASUS is the #1 motherboard maker on earth, they make good products.
Honestly, when you are dealing with ultra high current loads that the Pentium D places on components, the chance of failure goes up a lot. The thermals are staggering, they really are. And the noise level of the Intel boxed cooler is pretty terrible.
http://koti.welho.com/pnystro2/Hauskat_videot/PXE840_Cooling.avi
I guess all these Pentium 840EE system terrible issues are caused for one thing: extreme heat. Not only CPU, but for this reason it affects to whole system (chipset, mosfets, board etc). Keep in mind we are talking about a stress test, with full load for hours and hours and hours. This Intel CPU (with whole system) finally crash for this reason IMO. It needs extreme cooling... I guess. Sorry, but this is crap...
Back under your rock, troll.
Funny how your head only peeks up when there's a flame shoot, eh?
You have no idea about the thermals of the EE 840 so STFU, that is, unless you can provide some evidence of instability. There have been eons and eons of EE 840 reviews and tests (though none as messed up as this one) and instability hasn't been an issue.
POT->KETTLE->BLACK
Now get off the PC, because mommy needs to check those AOL filters for you again.
The whole point of this article is as a stress test to see if either platform is really stable.
The reason other reviews may not have found instabilities like this is because, well, they haven't done quite the same level of stress testing.
I'm sorry, but what you say is just idiotic. ust because no one else has found instabilities doesn't mean they don't exist, since no one else has tested under these sorts of extreme conditions.
...The same "conditions" that all the AMD zealots are decrying and calling Tom's entire test "invalid"? Or is that only when AMD looks bad?
Spoken from the king of all zealots...
What does AMD have looking bad???
1) AMD not rebooted at all and have an uptime of 101hours...Intel has rebooted 4 times at least with some other software crashes that did not require a reboot....
2) AMDs max cpu temp is 11c less then Intels and average is 9-10c less...
3) They have and had solid leads in 3 out of 4 task....Again no surprise the EE would do better the more cpu intensive apps you add about 2 to 3...Even AT and techrport commented on this like a month ago...
Intel zealots will right this off as all faults of other components only, so I am not surprise on your stance....
Fact is I commented initially on this before the Divx lead was so big and I commented strictly on methodology based on first failed test months ago....I wasn't even commenting on results which are all bogus now cause the iNtel is been offline about 40% of the time...LOL!!!!
OK, Papsmear!!!
You? That would be an accurate statement. I find it hilarious people consider you a "knowledge base" for anything, other than FUD.
Funny the AMD machine HAD rebooted and the counter was reset. But now I see the AMD zealots saying that Tom mistakenly counted the initial boot as a reboot. Yeah, that's a good one.
Shall I give you a cookie?
As I mentioned in another thread, I find it laughable that this is coined a "stability test" when we are measuring performance. Does that make any sense?
...Just as the AMD zealots have written off everything on the Windows Scheduler... among other things.
And you calculated that how? Must be a big hat you're drawing figures from.
You remind me of another troll here ... that Dothan freak who recently started a few more flame wars. All that excessive punctuation !!! and name calling / insults. Then again, when the facts aren't there (nor the evidence), I guess the zealots are left with little choice.
The answer was the machine intially counted each as their first start.....They both had 1 restart from the beginning of the test...Toms corrected that...many made comments on that at the beginning...If you were not too stupid you could read the weekly chart and had seen that there has not been any restarts from the AMD cpu...Open your eyes...
I will take a peanut butter M&M cookie please!!!
It is a stability test first with results as secondary....Think of how stupid the numbers are now being that the intel has been offline for such a long period of time (40% was not scientific just a statement, possible exaggeration...If I give your real mathematical numbers it would have been like 39.7%) during the test....It would be hard to truly compare any performance numbers...Especially now with the whole new reinstall and down time...
I never questioned the Divx results (show me I did)...I offered explanations of what could be happening...It likely is not ther windows scheduler but that GKnot sets encoding as low priority meaning no matter order it would have always waited for every other thread to take what they needed...It is highly likely the only work it ever gets done is in between sets of each other app....Other apps like TMPGenc a popular encoder has a different priority setting (normal) and would have reacted differently for sure but would have taken cycles from the other apps....
In my HT testing I showed that setting or changing priority in the processes had little to detrimental effects.....It appears HT of the inetl processor and within the oS recognizing the HT will react differently.....
Go ahead and actually refute any of my comments with evidence.....I have likely tested this shite far more then you ever have....
Just sit back and be my little biatch!!!
I will take a peanut butter M&M cookie please!!!
It is a stability test first with results as secondary....Think of how stupid the numbers are now being that the intel has been offline for such a long period of time (40% was not scientific just a statement, possible exaggeration...If I give your real mathematical numbers it would have been like 39.7%) during the test....It would be hard to truly compare any performance numbers...Especially now with the whole new reinstall and down time...
I never questioned the Divx results (show me I did)...I offered explanations of what could be happening...It likely is not ther windows scheduler but that GKnot sets encoding as low priority meaning no matter order it would have always waited for every other thread to take what they needed...It is highly likely the only work it ever gets done is in between sets of each other app....Other apps like TMPGenc a popular encoder has a different priority setting (normal) and would have reacted differently for sure but would have taken cycles from the other apps....
In my HT testing I showed that setting or changing priority in the processes had little to detrimental effects.....It appears HT of the inetl processor and within the oS recognizing the HT will react differently.....
Go ahead and actually refute any of my comments with evidence.....I have likely tested this shite far more then you ever have....
Just sit back and be my little biatch!!!
AMD system just went OFFline...Not sure if Toms pulled the plug on the test because with the INtels current downtime it is just getting pointless...
The test is pretty much shot....He should start over.....
He should use best platform for each...if that is an Intel mobo then use it!!! Who cares about SLI as that is not really the likely intended users if we are being honest.....
I want to see
1) stock parts
2) standard case cooling (equal for both)
3) power supplies with strong rails
4) explanation of temperature and voltage readings
5) testing of apps can be same but he should set all items to normal priority or use apps that are set to that by default....TMPGenc is a better encoding app for that.....
He should use best platform for each...if that is an Intel mobo then use it!!! Who cares about SLI as that is not really the likely intended users if we are being honest.....
I want to see
1) stock parts
2) standard case cooling (equal for both)
3) power supplies with strong rails
4) explanation of temperature and voltage readings
5) testing of apps can be same but he should set all items to normal priority or use apps that are set to that by default....TMPGenc is a better encoding app for that.....
TRENDING THREADS
-
Discussion Zen 5 Speculation (EPYC Turin and Strix Point/Granite Ridge - Ryzen 9000)- Started by DisEnchantment
- Replies: 25K
-
Discussion Intel Meteor, Arrow, Lunar & Panther Lakes + WCL Discussion Threads
- Started by Tigerick
- Replies: 22K
-
News NVIDIA and Intel to Develop AI Infrastructure and Personal Computing Products- Started by poke01
- Replies: 384
-
Discussion Intel current and future Lakes & Rapids thread- Started by TheF34RChannel
- Replies: 23K
Facebook
Twitter