Socket 939 Sempron found........

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: PetNorth

Originally posted by: Capt Caveman

Originally posted by: PetNorth
Notice red and purple lines (CPU Load).

Dual core X2 is 100% load constantly.
Dual core PEE has tremendous down & up.
I ask me if this is caused by throttling or not. I don't know for sure. Someone?

Just a guess, possibly when the PEE finishes a task?

hmmmm... but if it would be the reason, I imagine we would see some down in X2 load, wouldn't we?

I said it was just a guess. I was thinking it was b/c the hyperthreading spreads the load, when a task completes, the load gets redistributed and creates the fluctuation among the four cores(physical and logical).

This would all be answered if he showed us a cpu task manager with each cores loading....very simple to do.....

So basically the temp would be more constant to the 71c likely and Keys couldn't have his 7c argument!!!

I still think there could be some throttling going on but we likely wont see Toms doing a throttlewatch either...

 

[AnandThenMan]

Interesting test, but I just don't trust a single thing Toms does anymore.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: AnandThenMan
Interesting test, but I just don't trust a single thing Toms does anymore.

What caused you to feel this way. Here, lay down on this sofa. Start way back when you were little.

 

[michal1980]

why isn't the amd system using dual channel? looks like both stick of ram in slots next to each other, i know its not a big difference, but could cost 2-3% maybe more with the dual cores?

 

[Concillian]

Download the manual for the Gigabyte SLI board... the RAM is in dual channel. You don't really think Tom' Hardware is THAT obviously dumb/biased do you?

 

[michal1980]

ok, its odd, always seen the dual channel being across seprate banks.

and yes, to some extent i do some thg to be very baised. even though i'm a big fan.. they have gotten very flakly in the past 2 years. used to read it daily. now its more of an aftertought, just another review site.

 

[Lonyo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Discreditors: (Those that say "Pffft!!" )
ils, one of them sucks, since it's at 11.6V for the AMD system, while then Intel system has 12V @ 12V. "
****Believes the AMD system's PSU must be borked****

Just keeping a little record in case Anand wanted to run the same kind of testing. At least he will know what to look out for and what he will be up against. Very Political.....

You don't think a 12V at 11.6 is a concern?
I just said I found it odd. And further down I also said ho wmotherboard differences could account for the temp differences. The same could be true of the voltage, the motherboard could be misreporting the voltages supplied on the rails, either for one system or both.

Do you not find it in the least bit odd that with 2 identical PSU's, on 12v rail is 12v and the other 11.6v? Maybe it has something to do with the different loads for some reason placed on the systems, but then you would anticipate a higher load from the Intel system, as the Pentium D draws more power.


I didn't say anything about any bias, I pointed out a valid concern which I would have said anywhere, I even defended some aspects of the testing, yet you seem determined to call everyone an anti-THG fanboy for whatever reason.
If a 0.4v difference to you is normal when using 2 PSUs which are the same, then that's your belief and you have every right to it. I personally would be concerned to see an 11.6V on the 12V rail.


EDIT: 11.7v even.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

In typical Toms fashion, they don't show you the important settings, all they show is total CPU mhz. What are the ram speeds and timings? What is LDT and multi? voltages? etc.., etc... We are left to assume everything is at stock default settings and SPD? I'm a show me person, you guys may trust that Tom's is ethical and logical and has made sure all these things are equal, I don't.

For all I know they may be running the X2 system at 2T with terrible ram timings, and the Intel system with a bumped up FSB and lower multi? Do I really think they would be this unscrupulous? I hope not, but the point is they never show all the data, Why?

My biggest problem with Toms is they have a history of producing reviews that don't line up with other reputable review sites. Too many times I've compared reviews across several sites and for example 3-4 sites will have virtually the same results, and Toms results stick out like a sore thumb and don't line up with the others.

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: michal1980
ok, its odd, always seen the dual channel being across seprate banks.

and yes, to some extent i do some thg to be very baised. even though i'm a big fan.. they have gotten very flakly in the past 2 years. used to read it daily. now its more of an aftertought, just another review site.

The Neo2 is the same way..

 

[CrystalBay]

RamTimings

 

[AnandThenMan]

How come it now says:

INTEL SYSTEM
Computer is online since 1 h and 23 min

Reboots: 1

AMD SYSTEM
Computer is online since 12 h and 53 min

Reboots: 1

 

[Markfw]

The AMD system is ahead on the other 3, only one to Intel, and thats a matter of priority..... I'd like to see a two task multi task as well...

 

[PetNorth]

Originally posted by: AnandThenMan
How come it now says:

INTEL SYSTEM
Computer is online since 1 h and 23 min

Reboots: 1

AMD SYSTEM
Computer is online since 12 h and 53 min

Reboots: 1

Something has crashed in PEE...

http://img228.echo.cx/my.php?image=24hintel7tv.png

 

[n7]

Maybe i am wrong, but wasn't the last stability test that Tom's did completely screwed in favor of the Intel?

I remember there being a big thread on it, & when the P4 rebooted, TH quickly assumed it was the PSU & replaced it; yet when the A64 did, somehow the PSU was never in question?

Anyway, i will never trust the BS TH puts out, thankyou very much.

 

[Budman]

Originally posted by: n7
Anyway, i will never trust the BS TH puts out, thankyou very much.

ditto.

 

[ShmooDude]

Originally posted by: brandon
I may have misread it, but, it still seems like BS to me...

Encoded Time on Intel System: 100 Minutes
Encoded Time on AMD System: 10 minutes

Make that 10x faster, unless I read it wrong.

Yeah, my guess is something is wrong on the AMD system cuz its now 260 vs 10 (I can't believe that AMD has made 0 progress (probably human error, not computer).

 

[AnandThenMan]

How can both the AMD and the Intel system have 1 reboot each when the Intel box has an uptime of ~3 hours while the AMD has been up for 14 hours? Didn't they start the tests on both systems at the same time? That would mean the Intel box should have 2 reboots no?

 

[mamisano]

Why did the Intel machine average around 65c until 4:00PM where it sits at 45c until 7:00PM, and currently is at 45c?

 

[Rock Hydra]

They should do something like that here at anandtech.

 

[AnandThenMan]

Originally posted by: mamisano
Why did the Intel machine average around 65c until 4:00PM where it sits at 45c until 7:00PM, and currently is at 45c?

Some if not all the benchmarks/apps stopped running. The computer is sitting idle I think.

edit: CPU usage on both Intel cores is less than 1%.

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: mamisano
Why did the Intel machine average around 65c until 4:00PM where it sits at 45c until 7:00PM, and currently is at 45c?

cause it is likely none f the morons are there and they didn't write a batch program to automatically start all of those apps again...LOL!!! the p4 crashed and no one is around to start it again...

according to the INtel chart it is showing 0.0% usage on the cpu1 and cpu2...It isn't running though I find it odd it still gets 36fps...


So the P4EE crashes yet again...should say 2 for it....


edit: nothing is running....early AMD had 26cds to 24 of intel for a lead opf 2 in the first 26...It surely wouldn't have a 17 cd lead now after 3x that....Archiving has ballooned way up as well....games is obviously some canned number and not tue...maybe it remembers last completed run average cause it aint running now....

 

[ssvegeta1010]

Ha, the entire test is discredited unless they restart, or only count right before the crash.

 

[Duvie]

And Keys questions our concerns for the competence of toms..LOL!!!!!!

 

[AnandThenMan]

Originally posted by: Duvie
And Keys questions our concerns for the competence of toms..LOL!!!!!!

LOL well ya....what ya gonna do.

The whole test makes no sense, so many things don't add up...as usual. The up times don't make sense, the divx rendering times don't make any sense. The screenshot of the systems is supposed to be updated but the displays are always exactly the same. (the time overlay changes though)

 

[Zebo]

I've seen that intel box reboot 3x now toms still says once.