Socket 939 Sempron found........

[Zebo]

link?
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20050603/index.html

 

[carlosd]

Originally posted by: Zebo
I've seen that intel box reboot 3x now toms still says once.

Yes, intel system is crashing and crashing, and the reboots counter doesn't increment, What is this crap??? Please stop reading that THG BS!

 

[AnandThenMan]

Don't worry, they'll make up some stupid story about how when they built the system they did something wrong thus the reason for the reboots. It won't make any real sense but it that's par the course for Tom's nowhere guide.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: carlosd

Originally posted by: Zebo
I've seen that intel box reboot 3x now toms still says once.

Yes, intel system is crashing and crashing, and the reboots counter doesn't increment, What is this crap??? Please stop reading that THG BS!

Archive them evry 6-8 hours.. File > Save > web archive.

Here
http://www.tomshardware.com/stresstest/intel.html

I Only started after the second time I saw TOM "error" at around 3pm friday afternoon. So I only got the last reboot...

Going on vacation so I'm unable to catch the "errors" further..

When i get back I expect ~15-30 reboots linked And I'll bet he'll still only show 1 reboot on counter.

 

[n7]

As we all know...pure BS over there.

 

[Zebo]

Hey guys toms put intel under water phase or something... Look at the temps of the EE 45C now.. Was 70C

link

 

[dug777]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Hey guys toms put intel under water phase or something... Look at the temps of the EE 45C now.. Was 70C

link

link is borked (unless it's supposed to be all crazy text )...

 

[AnandThenMan]

Originally posted by: Zebo
Hey guys toms put intel under water phase or something... Look at the temps of the EE 45C now.. Was 70C

link

No it's because there is nothing running, the system is idle. Look at the CPU usage, 0% on both cores.

edit: BTW what's an mht file? wrongly named html file?

EDIT AGAIN: now it shows 42% on both cores. BAH the whole test makes zero sense.

 

[Zebo]

use IE It's a IE web page archive

 

[AnandThenMan]

Now the Intel system is back up to near 100% CPU usage. They did something, it was idle for several hours.

 

[Zebo]

BWHAHA Hard Locked obviously for the last 8 hours.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: AnandThenMan
Now the Intel system is back up to near 100% CPU usage. They did something, it was idle for several hours.

I'm telling you guys archive them... you'll catch so many lies coming off that site you could fill a book.

* in all seriousness toms used to be really good when he wrote, managed and owned the site..

 

[AnandThenMan]

Originally posted by: Zebo
BWHAHA Hard Locked obviously for the last 8 hours.

LOL no, it was running just idle, all the applications crashed by the looks. The temps shot up to 68 degrees again.

 

[Aenslead]

Originally posted by: michal1980
ok, its odd, always seen the dual channel being across seprate banks.

and yes, to some extent i do some thg to be very baised. even though i'm a big fan.. they have gotten very flakly in the past 2 years. used to read it daily. now its more of an aftertought, just another review site.

Usually, but not always. It became more often on Skt939 that memory controller channels where paired together, and then the other channel's pair.

 

[Zebo]

Guys what do you think about this for AMD
Link

Look at the top screen: The software says AMD's been going for 1 day 19 hours solid..

But toms says in upper right "Computer is online since 20 h and 39 min "

WTF??? that's nineteen hours diference!!!!. it's even been running longer than the bottom screen showing when the tests started.:|

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: AnandThenMan

Originally posted by: Zebo
BWHAHA Hard Locked obviously for the last 8 hours.

LOL no, it was running just idle, all the applications crashed by the looks. The temps shot up to 68 degrees again.

True

 

[Appledrop]

what a joke.

 

[clarkey01]

There seems to be a cent of B.S around this (again) with all the errors and questions. Think I'll skip the article

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Lonyo

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Discreditors: (Those that say "Pffft!!" )
ils, one of them sucks, since it's at 11.6V for the AMD system, while then Intel system has 12V @ 12V. "
****Believes the AMD system's PSU must be borked****

Just keeping a little record in case Anand wanted to run the same kind of testing. At least he will know what to look out for and what he will be up against. Very Political.....

You don't think a 12V at 11.6 is a concern?
I just said I found it odd. And further down I also said ho wmotherboard differences could account for the temp differences. The same could be true of the voltage, the motherboard could be misreporting the voltages supplied on the rails, either for one system or both.

Do you not find it in the least bit odd that with 2 identical PSU's, on 12v rail is 12v and the other 11.6v? Maybe it has something to do with the different loads for some reason placed on the systems, but then you would anticipate a higher load from the Intel system, as the Pentium D draws more power.


I didn't say anything about any bias, I pointed out a valid concern which I would have said anywhere, I even defended some aspects of the testing, yet you seem determined to call everyone an anti-THG fanboy for whatever reason.
If a 0.4v difference to you is normal when using 2 PSUs which are the same, then that's your belief and you have every right to it. I personally would be concerned to see an 11.6V on the 12V rail.


EDIT: 11.7v even.

Your are right Lonyo. What the hell do you think I was doing? Challenging you? I was just making a quick list of all the possible FUBAR's in the test by quoting some of you. Then maybe we can even approach THG with this list and ask them to comment on it. Wouldn't that be a good thing to do? Man.... Everyone is so wound up... Breathe....

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
In typical Toms fashion, they don't show you the important settings, all they show is total CPU mhz. What are the ram speeds and timings? What is LDT and multi? voltages? etc.., etc... We are left to assume everything is at stock default settings and SPD? I'm a show me person, you guys may trust that Tom's is ethical and logical and has made sure all these things are equal, I don't.

For all I know they may be running the X2 system at 2T with terrible ram timings, and the Intel system with a bumped up FSB and lower multi? Do I really think they would be this unscrupulous? I hope not, but the point is they never show all the data, Why?

My biggest problem with Toms is they have a history of producing reviews that don't line up with other reputable review sites. Too many times I've compared reviews across several sites and for example 3-4 sites will have virtually the same results, and Toms results stick out like a sore thumb and don't line up with the others.

The RAM speed and timings were listed in the test setup. You must read every page.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Duvie
And Keys questions our concerns for the competence of toms..LOL!!!!!!

I guess you never sleep Duvie? True about the batch programs however. They should have written something to restart crashed apps. And I think the reboot counter is not working for some reason.

 

[Keysplayr]

Slightly OT. Everyone in AT forums should become lawyers.

 

[Zebo]

They should have written something to restart crashed apps.

Yeah, right off the bat this test is fubard. Intel sat idle for 8 frekken hours...yeah that won't hurt the scores:roll:

Something else I just noticed on the "Live charts" page AMD has been "Encoded Time on AMD System: 20 minutes " 20 minutes of movie for that last 12 hours. WTF??? I knew AMD was poor at some encoding but not moved at all in 12 hours???

As I always say; I can find 3 glaring flaws with any THG article, this one I could write a book.

 

[Vegitto]

Sigh... Someone that can be trusted should do a test like this.. And NOT fvck things up...

 

[Duvie]

Originally posted by: Zebo
I've seen that intel box reboot 3x now toms still says once.

This is the biggest bunch of incompetent fvcks I have seen in a long time...LMFAO!!!!!!

Absolute a waste of time now, as the benches are not a fair comparison anymore,and reboots are not being recorded....Laughing stock of the hardware community now..