so why dont people believe in evolution / big bang?

[chrisms]

Can't remember the theory too well off the top of my head, but..

If the universe is expanding faster and faster as it moves outwards, eventually it reaches the speed of light. Example: Planet A is in the outer ring of the universe, and eventually reaches light speed. Planet A still exists, but we will never be able to see or visit it.

 

[Jzero]

Where did i state that gods do not exist because i never met one?

Like I said, food for thought. It wasn't argument or a debating point. I never said you said that, I just twisted the meaning of your statement around because it represents something interesting to ponder. Sorry if I'm not giving you the argument/flame war you desire.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Where did i state that gods do not exist because i never met one?

Like I said, food for thought. It wasn't argument or a debating point. I never said you said that, I just twisted the meaning of your statement around because it represents something interesting to ponder. Sorry if I'm not giving you the argument/flame war you desire.

I just don't like being attributed a statement i've never said. I'm not dumb enough to use hasty generalization for an argument. Food for thought? Yes, let's all attribute fictional statements to people for considerations.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Nevermind

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: halik
I'm just curious,
theres 3 different things that prove it right (microwave background radiation, light density and that hubble thing that proves starts are accelerating outward),
so why are people still against it?

Not even modern science can explain where the big bang came from, or what caused it. For it to occur, somehow the material came into existence, and something caused it to explode correct? If somehow you figured this out, many scientists all over the world would be very interested and I think you may be in the running for the Nobel Prize

well most of the people working on quantum mechanics and relativity got nobel prizes( einstein and others). Also its been proven that its possible to create/anihilate mass thus providing a link between mass and energy (general relaitivty). It would make more sense that theres a given number of energy in the universe (thats why all the conservation of energy laws exists) and when the energy reached a certain point, it created mass and big bang happened

^^My own personal theory, i relly have no proof other than the stuff stated

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: halik
I'm just curious,
theres 3 different things that prove it right (microwave background radiation, light density and that hubble thing that proves starts are accelerating outward),
so why are people still against it?

Not even modern science can explain where the big bang came from, or what caused it. For it to occur, somehow the material came into existence, and something caused it to explode correct? If somehow you figured this out, many scientists all over the world would be very interested and I think you may be in the running for the Nobel Prize

well most of the people working on quantum mechanics and relativity got nobel prizes( einstein and others). Also its been proven that its possible to create/anihilate mass thus providing a link between mass and energy (general relaitivty). It would make more sense that theres a given number of energy in the universe (thats why all the conservation of energy laws exists) and when the energy reached a certain point, it created mass and big bang happened

^^My own personal theory, i relly have no proof other than the stuff stated

But what caused the Big Bang?

 

[calpha]

I like the generalization that people say that you can't believe in the big bang and be a christian. I also like the generalization that you can't believe in Science relating to the Creation and be a Christian.

I have no idea how the universe was created, and there's no concrete proof to it either. Many people don't realize it, but from a historical standpoint, the Bible itself, in the old testament was oral tradition for many years until the Babylonian Invasion, and following Dispersion.....in which Jewish families were split off to different parts of Babylon to try and integrate the babylonian culture/beliefs into the Jewish way of life. It's at that time that most believe the Priests of the time began writing down what would later become the bible--well, old testament, as they saw their "oral tradition" failing....or fading is a better word.

That being said...without giving you a course in Religion History......Jews of the time saw God in tehir lives by the past (that's true even today)---by what he'd done for them. History was very important to them, as they saw how He delivered them time and again. Many theologians acknowledge that the creation stories (gen ch.1 and ch. 2) and the Garden of Eden are perhaps more true in their symbolism, then their reality. I get in this argument with Christians all the time....and they like to tell me I'm wrong, and sinning by disrespecting the Bible. But that fact remains....there is a chance that the Creation story is symbolic in nature....and that the story, when passed down orally before it was written---the mere purpose of it was to show God's hand in their lives, and their creation. Instead, somehow over the years, it's become viewed as more literal, then symbolic. Yet, for those who've studied Religion.....you do have to wonder why Genesis 1, and Genesis 2 tell two different stories of creation. If you don't believe me, go read it.

So to digress.....I still have a tough time believing that we came from Plankton---but I personally have no problem integrating Creationism with Evolution. Hard to argue with Fossils of early man. THe only thing I do believe is that God did create the Earth....and possibly that could be the Big Bang----So, in effect, both Creationists, and Big Bangers (wow, that sounds like a porn movie) could be right.

Either way, none of it can be Proven---so it doesn't matter to me. We're here.....

[edit for clarity]

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: everman

Originally posted by: halik
I'm just curious,
theres 3 different things that prove it right (microwave background radiation, light density and that hubble thing that proves starts are accelerating outward),
so why are people still against it?

Not even modern science can explain where the big bang came from, or what caused it. For it to occur, somehow the material came into existence, and something caused it to explode correct? If somehow you figured this out, many scientists all over the world would be very interested and I think you may be in the running for the Nobel Prize

well most of the people working on quantum mechanics and relativity got nobel prizes( einstein and others). Also its been proven that its possible to create/anihilate mass thus providing a link between mass and energy (general relaitivty). It would make more sense that theres a given number of energy in the universe (thats why all the conservation of energy laws exists) and when the energy reached a certain point, it created mass and big bang happened

^^My own personal theory, i relly have no proof other than the stuff stated

A common hypothesis is that the universe came about as a massive quantum fluctuation. Mass can spontaneously pop into existance at the quantum level. Larger events happen less frequently. but do eventually. The universe is of course the biggest of them all, as far as we know. Universes being created out of a vacuum would happen so infrequently, that it is incomprehensible. Thing is that there is literally forever for this kind of event to happen.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Jzero

Where did i state that gods do not exist because i never met one?

Like I said, food for thought. It wasn't argument or a debating point. I never said you said that, I just twisted the meaning of your statement around because it represents something interesting to ponder. Sorry if I'm not giving you the argument/flame war you desire.

I just don't like being attributed a statement i've never said. I'm not dumb enough to use hasty generalization for an argument. Food for thought? Yes, let's all attribute fictional statements to people for considerations.

I already flat out declared that you didn't say it. There's no need to be so defensive.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

A common hypothesis is that the universe came about as a massive quantum fluctuation. Mass can spontaneously pop into existance at the quantum level. Larger events happen less frequently. but do eventually. The universe is of course the biggest of them all, as far as we know. Universes being created out of a vacuum would happen so infrequently, that it is incomprehensible. Thing is that there is literally forever for this kind of event to happen.

forever in a place with no time... i like it!

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Jzero

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: Jzero

Where did i state that gods do not exist because i never met one?

Like I said, food for thought. It wasn't argument or a debating point. I never said you said that, I just twisted the meaning of your statement around because it represents something interesting to ponder. Sorry if I'm not giving you the argument/flame war you desire.

I just don't like being attributed a statement i've never said. I'm not dumb enough to use hasty generalization for an argument. Food for thought? Yes, let's all attribute fictional statements to people for considerations.

I already flat out declared that you didn't say it. There's no need to be so defensive.

I just find it odd and idiotic that you think twisting somebody's statement is worth 'food for thoughts'.

 

[FrustratedUser]

Originally posted by: halik
I'm just curious,
theres 3 different things that prove it right (microwave background radiation, light density and that hubble thing that proves starts are accelerating outward),
so why are people still against it?

Because their church has them by the balls + stupidity.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
Well put it this way, how the hell does something just bang itself into earth or anything?

I mean wtf was there before that? You can't just say bang and then everything will start coming together.

I mean yeah I'm a Christian, so what, bite me.

Where did God come from?

Honestly, I don't know.

Don't ask me, and I don't really care.

But the thought that there was nothing and then we magically happend is kinda off to me.

Hey it's what I believe, not you, so I'm fine with it. Don't start to hate.

So instead there was nothing but God, he waved his hand, and we magically happened to pop into existance?

At least with the Big Bang matter and energy already existed, with God we have to believe he created it out of nothing? (Ignoring the question why he'd bother in the first place, like his whole existance was based on creating humans, that he'd need us to worship him or something...)

 

[BD231]

There are to many shots in the dark when it comes to creation, what I'm wondering is why anyone cares. The simple truth is nobody knows exactly how we came about, and in the end all we end up believing are fictional facts pounded into our heads at an early age by under paid school teachers or fanatical jesus freaks.

Why don't some people believe in evolution? Because people are liars.

If I were you I'd be asking myself WTF makes me so sure evolution is "the real deal" enough to think someone who dosen't believe in it is a kook. I choose not to base the existance of mand kind on educated guesses.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: BD231
There are to many shots in the dark when it comes to creation, what I'm wondering is why anyone cares. The simple truth is nobody knows exactly how we came about, and in the end all we end up believing are fictional facts pounded into our heads at an early age by under paid school teachers or fanatical jesus freaks.

Why don't some people believe in evolution? Because people are liars.

If I were you I'd be asking myself WTF makes me so sure evolution is "the real deal" enough to think someone who dosen't believe in it is a kook. I choose not to base the existance of mand kind on educated guesses.

Educated guesses is what science is. Our society was created by 'educated guesses'.

 

[BD231]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Originally posted by: BD231
There are to many shots in the dark when it comes to creation, what I'm wondering is why anyone cares. The simple truth is nobody knows exactly how we came about, and in the end all we end up believing are fictional facts pounded into our heads at an early age by under paid school teachers or fanatical jesus freaks.

Why don't some people believe in evolution? Because people are liars.

If I were you I'd be asking myself WTF makes me so sure evolution is "the real deal" enough to think someone who dosen't believe in it is a kook. I choose not to base the existance of mand kind on educated guesses.

Educated guesses is what science is. Our society was created by 'educated guesses'.

Ehhh, you mean the " thought process ", yeah I wont get into it. We have light bulbs because we cant see at night, we have cars becuase it takes to damn long to walk anywhere, we have a society because being alone sucks, solving problems doesn?t create a universe. If your on a whole different page stay there, cus I'm not following.

 

[Dragnov]

The Big Bang and Evolution is no more than THEORY at this point in time. They are educated guesses that use science to prove its case but they ultimately rely on faith if you were to believe in it, just as religion does.

I suppose you can say that the Big Bang/Evolution have more evidence to support, but it doesn't make it fact at all.

Honestly, I don't think these questions of where we came from and how the world started will be solved in my lifetime (if ever). I dont plan to believe in either until they are both proven fact, whether it be me seeing Jesus or me seeing a planet being created. If you do want to believe, so be it, I don't mind. Me? I'm quite content as it is, and can live life quite fine without knowing.

Geez. You people complain that religious people keep trying to preach and convert with an in your face attitude, yet I find it to be the opposite very often, especially on this board. I don't know about you people but I haven't seen any religious recruiting threads, but only the hyprocritcal anti-religious flame threads.

 

[Indolent]

Originally posted by: FrustratedUser

Originally posted by: halik
I'm just curious,
theres 3 different things that prove it right (microwave background radiation, light density and that hubble thing that proves starts are accelerating outward),
so why are people still against it?

Because their church has them by the balls + stupidity.

What's the point of a comment like this? Does it really make you feel superior to insult people over the internet?

You can believe whatever you want to believe but why do you have to act two years old about it?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: Nocturnal

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
Well put it this way, how the hell does something just bang itself into earth or anything?

I mean wtf was there before that? You can't just say bang and then everything will start coming together.

I mean yeah I'm a Christian, so what, bite me.

Where did God come from?

Honestly, I don't know.

Don't ask me, and I don't really care.

But the thought that there was nothing and then we magically happend is kinda off to me.

Hey it's what I believe, not you, so I'm fine with it. Don't start to hate.

So instead there was nothing but God, he waved his hand, and we magically happened to pop into existance?

At least with the Big Bang matter and energy already existed, with God we have to believe he created it out of nothing? (Ignoring the question why he'd bother in the first place, like his whole existance was based on creating humans, that he'd need us to worship him or something...)

So where did the matter and energy come from. Where did whatever made that come from?

Here is the REAL problem. People are too stupid to understand it. Why? Because we are finite beings. Whenever someone answers a question about existence, I can ask "Where did that come from?"

Ultimately, there is no ultimate answer.

 

[Jzero]

I just find it odd and idiotic that you think twisting somebody's statement is worth 'food for thoughts'.

That's ok. I find it odd and idiotic that you would get all teary-eyed over something like that, so I guess we're both on the same wavelength. Sorry if I offended your delicate sensitivities.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1

Originally posted by: Nocturnal

Originally posted by: her209

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
Well put it this way, how the hell does something just bang itself into earth or anything?

I mean wtf was there before that? You can't just say bang and then everything will start coming together.

I mean yeah I'm a Christian, so what, bite me.

Where did God come from?

Honestly, I don't know.

Don't ask me, and I don't really care.

But the thought that there was nothing and then we magically happend is kinda off to me.

Hey it's what I believe, not you, so I'm fine with it. Don't start to hate.

So instead there was nothing but God, he waved his hand, and we magically happened to pop into existance?

At least with the Big Bang matter and energy already existed, with God we have to believe he created it out of nothing? (Ignoring the question why he'd bother in the first place, like his whole existance was based on creating humans, that he'd need us to worship him or something...)

So where did the matter and energy come from. Where did whatever made that come from?

Here is the REAL problem. People are too stupid to understand it. Why? Because we are finite beings. Whenever someone answers a question about existence, I can ask "Where did that come from?"

Ultimately, there is no ultimate answer.

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[xirtam]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

A common hypothesis is that the universe came about as a massive quantum fluctuation. Mass can spontaneously pop into existance at the quantum level. Larger events happen less frequently. but do eventually. The universe is of course the biggest of them all, as far as we know. Universes being created out of a vacuum would happen so infrequently, that it is incomprehensible. Thing is that there is literally forever for this kind of event to happen.

forever in a place with no time... i like it!

Forever *is* a place with no time.