So why does Apple put 'Designed in California' on its products.

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: jagec
I'm not saying that Cali would thrive as a nation. Indeed, I agree that it would hurt them to go independent. It's unclear who would be hurt more in the exchange--that's like ripping a house in two and seeing which half best keeps out the rain--but your original claim that they would "stand no chance" (later modified to a more vague "severe problems") simply doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

My original post was in terms of absolutes (absolute independence). The "support of the US" referred to still having amicable relationships with the US.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: jagec
It's unclear who would be hurt more in the exchange--that's like ripping a house in two and seeing which half best keeps out the rain--but your original claim that they would "stand no chance" (later modified to a more vague "severe problems") simply doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

California would obviously get the short end of the stick. One reason for the strength of their economy is because they're currently our gateway to Asia. Californian ports handle a good percentage of the US's commerce with Asia, so it makes sense for companies to be based in CA.

If CA was no longer part of the US, the function of those CA ports would be greatly reduced, since they'd no longer be acting as the main ports of the US. Companies which are currently based there because of that reason would have to move to the new US Pacific port, which would be WA or OR.

In addition, instead of feeding off the US as they do now, they'd be competing with the US, and would be subject to the US throwing its weight around on it.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: jagec
I'm not saying that Cali would thrive as a nation. Indeed, I agree that it would hurt them to go independent. It's unclear who would be hurt more in the exchange--that's like ripping a house in two and seeing which half best keeps out the rain--but your original claim that they would "stand no chance" (later modified to a more vague "severe problems") simply doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

My original post was in terms of absolutes (absolute independence). The "support of the US" referred to still having amicable relationships with the US.

Fair enough. If they were absolutely independent, they would indeed be in for a series of energy and water crises, and would never fully recover in all probability.

 

[llamajizz]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: senseamp
Because CA has the most highly paid engineers and designers of in the world.
"Designed in CA" = no expense spared. Why wouldn't you put that on your product?

because its just proof that you over paied for something

Maybe to you, but Apple owes a lot of its success to the great product design coming out of California. You get what you pay for.

Yeah... like $3000 for a crappy box that's worth about $1500 but since it has mac OS on it it's 10x better...

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: senseamp
Because CA has the most highly paid engineers and designers of in the world.
"Designed in CA" = no expense spared. Why wouldn't you put that on your product?

This is a really stupid response.

Just because it's not what you like to hear doesn't mean it's stupid.
Do you think it's coincidence that a lot of international corporations like to put design centers in California, despite the much higher expense of doing so? If they weren't getting their money's worth, they would have gone somewhere else by now. If Californian designs were not better than those from less expensive parts of the world, why would those smart and successful companies do those designs in California, if they could get similar or better designs done somewhere cheaper? The very fact that these companies would do this work in the most expensive state, with high taxes, and burdensome regulations, speaks to the merits of the work. It more than offsets the cost.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: beer
because "designed by Apple in Detroit" doesn't convey the same engineering expertise.

heh......and infinite loop or cupertino would confuse the hell out of people...

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: llamajizz

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: senseamp
Because CA has the most highly paid engineers and designers of in the world.
"Designed in CA" = no expense spared. Why wouldn't you put that on your product?

because its just proof that you over paied for something

Maybe to you, but Apple owes a lot of its success to the great product design coming out of California. You get what you pay for.

Yeah... like $3000 for a crappy box that's worth about $1500 but since it has mac OS on it it's 10x better...

That means that California designers contributed $1500 of added value to what would otherwise be a $1500 product by their great design work alone. Apples sell at a premium because of their design, and nothing else. They use the same components as others, and do pretty much the same tasks, yet command twice the price because of their design alone.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: senseamp
Because CA has the most highly paid engineers and designers of in the world.
"Designed in CA" = no expense spared. Why wouldn't you put that on your product?

This is a really stupid response.

Just because it's not what you like to hear doesn't mean it's stupid.
Do you think it's coincidence that a lot of international corporations like to put design centers in California, despite the much higher expense of doing so? If they weren't getting their money's worth, they would have gone somewhere else by now. If Californian designs were not better than those from less expensive parts of the world, why would those smart and successful companies do those designs in California, if they could get similar or better designs done somewhere cheaper? The very fact that these companies would do this work in the most expensive state, with high taxes, and burdensome regulations, speaks to the merits of the work. It more than offsets the cost.

California has smart people, just like every place else. But the breed of people from CA aren't any different than the people from elsewhere.

 

[Shortcut]

"designed in the USA" - evokes historical impression of crappily designed american cars

"designed in california" - doesn't really bring up any good or bad impressions (for me, at least). but now that i noticed this tagline, i'll associate the arguably nifty design of apple products with california culture

but really, i think they ought to just man up and say "designed in california, made in china".

 

[potato28]

Apple feels that California is more important than the rest of the US. Sorta like how Ontario thinks it's the center of Canada.

 

[Shortcut]

NM

 

[theeedude]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: senseamp
Because CA has the most highly paid engineers and designers of in the world.
"Designed in CA" = no expense spared. Why wouldn't you put that on your product?

This is a really stupid response.

Just because it's not what you like to hear doesn't mean it's stupid.
Do you think it's coincidence that a lot of international corporations like to put design centers in California, despite the much higher expense of doing so? If they weren't getting their money's worth, they would have gone somewhere else by now. If Californian designs were not better than those from less expensive parts of the world, why would those smart and successful companies do those designs in California, if they could get similar or better designs done somewhere cheaper? The very fact that these companies would do this work in the most expensive state, with high taxes, and burdensome regulations, speaks to the merits of the work. It more than offsets the cost.

California has smart people, just like every place else. But the breed of people from CA aren't any different than the people from elsewhere.

The local breed may not be different, but California attracts top creative talent from around the world.

 

[beer]

Originally posted by: llamajizz

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: senseamp
Because CA has the most highly paid engineers and designers of in the world.
"Designed in CA" = no expense spared. Why wouldn't you put that on your product?

because its just proof that you over paied for something

Maybe to you, but Apple owes a lot of its success to the great product design coming out of California. You get what you pay for.

Yeah... like $3000 for a crappy box that's worth about $1500 but since it has mac OS on it it's 10x better...

You exactly proved the point that is being argued. Since it was designed in California they charged a $1500 premium and enough people bought it to send appple's stock sky high.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Because CA has the most highly paid engineers and designers of in the world.
"Designed in CA" = no expense spared. Why wouldn't you put that on your product?

haha.

 

[bearxor]

To those of you who say that the US would be doomed because they would lose the tax revenue coming out of California, are you also considering the savings by the US government from not having to put our tax dollars back in to california to pay for things like infrastructure, schools, welfare, etc, etc?

To those of you who say you're overpaying for a Apple machine and it really costs only half that and stupid people buy it to keep Apple afloat, I'd like you to show me where I can pick up a dual dual-core 2.66 Xeon with the rest of the specs the exact same for $2499. I mean, if I were to buy those off the shelf (i'll just use Pricewatch's lowest price) that would run me $1400 just for processors before I even considered things like a case, motherboard, ram, OS, etc, etc... Seems to me if I dump on a Xeon board (~300), 1GB of buffered DDR2 (~200) and a copy of Vista Ultimate (the only windows OS comparable to OS X ~200) I'm at about $2100 and still haven't considered things like a case, power supply, video card, hard drive and optical drive.

 

[ForumMaster]

Originally posted by: Flammable
california is splitting off the US along with alaska and hawaii in about 5 years :Q

California is special.

 

[Modular]

They put that on their products because in California, you pay 3x what everything is worth, from houses to milk. They feel as though putting that on their product justifies it's exorbitant pricing and crappiness 😉

/thread

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: bearxor
To those of you who say that the US would be doomed because they would lose the tax revenue coming out of California, are you also considering the savings by the US government from not having to put our tax dollars back in to california to pay for things like infrastructure, schools, welfare, etc, etc?

To those of you who say you're overpaying for a Apple machine and it really costs only half that and stupid people buy it to keep Apple afloat, I'd like you to show me where I can pick up a dual dual-core 2.66 Xeon with the rest of the specs the exact same for $2499. I mean, if I were to buy those off the shelf (i'll just use Pricewatch's lowest price) that would run me $1400 just for processors before I even considered things like a case, motherboard, ram, OS, etc, etc... Seems to me if I dump on a Xeon board (~300), 1GB of buffered DDR2 (~200) and a copy of Vista Ultimate (the only windows OS comparable to OS X ~200) I'm at about $2100 and still haven't considered things like a case, power supply, video card, hard drive and optical drive.

The federal government spends less in California than Californians pay in taxes. This is true of pretty much all "blue states" and the opposite is true of pretty much all "red states."

 

[Pepsi90919]

Originally posted by: potato28
Apple feels that California is more important than the rest of the US. Sorta like how Ontario thinks it's the center of Canada.

it pretty much is, economically and physically. it's toronto that has the god complex.

 

[SilthDraeth]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: senseamp
Because CA has the most highly paid engineers and designers of in the world.
"Designed in CA" = no expense spared. Why wouldn't you put that on your product?

because its just proof that you over paied for something

Maybe to you, but Apple owes a lot of its success to the great product design coming out of California. You get what you pay for.

Like a one button mouse.
Yet if you plug a regular windows usb mouse into a MAC, the right click function has a use just like it does in Windows. But I digress...

 

[Turin39789]

Originally posted by: zoiks
Apple also believes California >*
🙂

You'd have to buy/use an apple product to know what is written on the bottom of them.


Yuo = lose.

 

[kindest]

apple so reprents san francisco. over priced hippie crap.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: senseamp
Because CA has the most highly paid engineers and designers of in the world.
"Designed in CA" = no expense spared. Why wouldn't you put that on your product?

This is a really stupid response.

Just because it's not what you like to hear doesn't mean it's stupid.

not, its pretty much just stupid.

Originally posted by: Shortcut
"designed in the USA" - evokes historical impression of crappily designed american cars

"designed in california" - doesn't really bring up any good or bad impressions (for me, at least). but now that i noticed this tagline, i'll associate the arguably nifty design of apple products with california culture

only response that actually makes sense.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: bearxor
To those of you who say that the US would be doomed because they would lose the tax revenue coming out of California, are you also considering the savings by the US government from not having to put our tax dollars back in to california to pay for things like infrastructure, schools, welfare, etc, etc?

To those of you who say you're overpaying for a Apple machine and it really costs only half that and stupid people buy it to keep Apple afloat, I'd like you to show me where I can pick up a dual dual-core 2.66 Xeon with the rest of the specs the exact same for $2499. I mean, if I were to buy those off the shelf (i'll just use Pricewatch's lowest price) that would run me $1400 just for processors before I even considered things like a case, motherboard, ram, OS, etc, etc... Seems to me if I dump on a Xeon board (~300), 1GB of buffered DDR2 (~200) and a copy of Vista Ultimate (the only windows OS comparable to OS X ~200) I'm at about $2100 and still haven't considered things like a case, power supply, video card, hard drive and optical drive.

The federal government spends less in California than Californians pay in taxes. This is true of pretty much all "blue states" and the opposite is true of pretty much all "red states."

BUSH!CHENEY!BUSH!CHENEY!BUSH!CHENEY!BUSH!CHENEY!BUSH!CHENEY!
BUSH!CHENEY!BUSH!CHENEY!BUSH!CHENEY!BUSH!CHENEY!BUSH!CHENEY!

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: bearxor
To those of you who say that the US would be doomed because they would lose the tax revenue coming out of California, are you also considering the savings by the US government from not having to put our tax dollars back in to california to pay for things like infrastructure, schools, welfare, etc, etc?

To those of you who say you're overpaying for a Apple machine and it really costs only half that and stupid people buy it to keep Apple afloat, I'd like you to show me where I can pick up a dual dual-core 2.66 Xeon with the rest of the specs the exact same for $2499. I mean, if I were to buy those off the shelf (i'll just use Pricewatch's lowest price) that would run me $1400 just for processors before I even considered things like a case, motherboard, ram, OS, etc, etc... Seems to me if I dump on a Xeon board (~300), 1GB of buffered DDR2 (~200) and a copy of Vista Ultimate (the only windows OS comparable to OS X ~200) I'm at about $2100 and still haven't considered things like a case, power supply, video card, hard drive and optical drive.

The federal government spends less in California than Californians pay in taxes. This is true of pretty much all "blue states" and the opposite is true of pretty much all "red states."

BUSH!CHENEY!BUSH!CHENEY!BUSH!CHENEY!BUSH!CHENEY!BUSH!CHENEY!
BUSH!CHENEY!BUSH!CHENEY!BUSH!CHENEY!BUSH!CHENEY!BUSH!CHENEY!

Mmmmmk. You have an unhealthy obsession with Lon Cheney. 😉

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad

Originally posted by: senseamp

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: senseamp
Because CA has the most highly paid engineers and designers of in the world.
"Designed in CA" = no expense spared. Why wouldn't you put that on your product?

This is a really stupid response.

Just because it's not what you like to hear doesn't mean it's stupid.

not, its pretty much just stupid.

Hey, we agree on something again. 😛 "No expense spared" may be something people look for in luxury cars, but it is not a selling point of consumer electronics.