So why does Apple put 'Designed in California' on its products.

[DanTMWTMP]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Because California has the GDP of France and anyone who buys an Apple is a cheese eating surrender monkey.

Yeah but Francifornia > Texanada.

LOL nice comback


but ya, CA > *

oh and btw, Southern CA > Northern CA

oh and before i forget, SD > *

ya.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Because California has the GDP of France and anyone who buys an Apple is a cheese eating surrender monkey.

Yeah but Francifornia > Texanada.

LOL nice comback


but ya, CA > *

oh and btw, Southern CA > Northern CA

oh and before i forget, SD > *

ya.

:thumbsup:

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Flammable
california is splitting off the US along with alaska and hawaii in about 5 years :Q

There is no way in hell that will happen. The rest of the country needs California despite their ridiculous bias against it. We have the 6th largest economy in the world, imagine the drop in Federal tax revenue and the implications that would have for the rest of the country if that happened.

:laugh:

Oh boy, that's a good one. California would stand no chance without the support of the US. While damaged, the US could manage to cope without California. You guys don't even have the necessary infrastructure to sustain yourself and you think it's the rest of the US that would suffer the greatest.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Flammable
california is splitting off the US along with alaska and hawaii in about 5 years :Q

There is no way in hell that will happen. The rest of the country needs California despite their ridiculous bias against it. We have the 6th largest economy in the world, imagine the drop in Federal tax revenue and the implications that would have for the rest of the country if that happened.

:laugh:

Oh boy, that's a good one. California would stand no chance without the support of the US. While damaged, the US could manage to cope without California. You guys don't even have the necessary infrastructure to sustain yourself and you think it's the rest of the US that would suffer the greatest.

Denial at its finest...

Regardless, it's a moot point because it will never happen.

 

[foghorn67]

Originally posted by: BigJ
:laugh:

Oh boy, that's a good one. California would stand no chance without the support of the US. While damaged, the US could manage to cope without California. You guys don't even have the necessary infrastructure to sustain yourself and you think it's the rest of the US that would suffer the greatest.

And good luck living without pistachios. You will have to smuggle them from Iran.

 

[ChAoTiCpInOy]

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Because California has the GDP of France and anyone who buys an Apple is a cheese eating surrender monkey.

Yeah but Francifornia > Texanada.

LOL nice comback


but ya, CA > *

oh and btw, Southern CA > Northern CA

oh and before i forget, SD > *

ya.

Quick question, which part of CA gets their WATER from the other? What would happen if that water was to be shut off?

Northern CA > Southern CA

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: BigJ
:laugh:

Oh boy, that's a good one. California would stand no chance without the support of the US. While damaged, the US could manage to cope without California. You guys don't even have the necessary infrastructure to sustain yourself and you think it's the rest of the US that would suffer the greatest.

Umm, you might want to do a reality check here. What do you mean they wouldn't survive? Is that sort of like how Saudi Arabia is doomed to starve in the next few years, since they don't have the infrastructure for farming? It's not 1600 anymore; we're in a global economy now.

Maybe if California was literally isolated, with no trade whatsoever, it would collapse, or at least suffer severe economic woes. But if they were to form their own country, all the roads would still connect, all the trade patterns would be in place, and basically nothing would change but a few tariffs, and much lower revenue for the federal government. Even if the US cut off all ties and wouldn't allow imports, the economy of California would suffer, but they'd still be able to trade with other countries, barring a military blockade.

I'm not from Cali, and I find their superiority complex to be annoying, but I'm not stupid enough to think that they're on the verge of collapse just because they get some crazy headlines in the paper every other week.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Flammable
california is splitting off the US along with alaska and hawaii in about 5 years :Q

There is no way in hell that will happen. The rest of the country needs California despite their ridiculous bias against it. We have the 6th largest economy in the world, imagine the drop in Federal tax revenue and the implications that would have for the rest of the country if that happened.

California would not have become as prosperous as it is without the rest of the US. If California was independent it would resemble Mexico, and Oregon would be sitting pretty.

 

[jpeyton]

So we know where turds are born.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: BigJ
:laugh:

Oh boy, that's a good one. California would stand no chance without the support of the US. While damaged, the US could manage to cope without California. You guys don't even have the necessary infrastructure to sustain yourself and you think it's the rest of the US that would suffer the greatest.

Umm, you might want to do a reality check here. What do you mean they wouldn't survive? Is that sort of like how Saudi Arabia is doomed to starve in the next few years, since they don't have the infrastructure for farming? It's not 1600 anymore; we're in a global economy now.

Maybe if California was literally isolated, with no trade whatsoever, it would collapse, or at least suffer severe economic woes. But if they were to form their own country, all the roads would still connect, all the trade patterns would be in place, and basically nothing would change but a few tariffs, and much lower revenue for the federal government. Even if the US cut off all ties and wouldn't allow imports, the economy of California would suffer, but they'd still be able to trade with other countries, barring a military blockade.

I'm not from Cali, and I find their superiority complex to be annoying, but I'm not stupid enough to think that they're on the verge of collapse just because they get some crazy headlines in the paper every other week.

Quick question: Is California a net importer or exporter of energy?

That's one glaringly obvious problem with an independent CA. Not to mention the meager energy reserves they hold.

And where does California get a large amount of water from? The Colorado River. Hmmmm....

And no, I'm not saying they'd totally collapse. But there would be severe problems within the state, much more so than with the rest of the US.

It's quite amusing that they (CA) think we (the rest of the US) need them more than they need us.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: BigJ
Quick question: Is California a net importer or exporter of energy?

That's one glaringly obvious problem with an independent CA. Not to mention the meager energy reserves they hold.

And where does California get a large amount of water from? The Colorado River. Hmmmm....

And no, I'm not saying they'd totally collapse. But there would be severe problems within the state, much more so than with the rest of the US.

It's quite amusing that they (CA) think we (the rest of the US) need them more than they need us.

So if Cali said "hay guys, wed like 2 by sum enrgy pls, k thx", the US would say "screw you hippies, we don't want your money!"

Wait, remind me from whom the US buys its oil, and how amicable those relationships are in general. We'll deal with communists, terrorists, dictators, and murderers, but we draw the line at Californians?

Again, global economy. Note the bold. A country doesn't have to be entirely self-sufficient to be a huge force in the world market. And again I feel compelled to use the example of Saudi Arabia.

I don't know why I bother, since clearly you didn't even read my previous post.

 

[SampSon]

Because both Apple and California are pretentious divas.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

yeah, i was going to say that the rest of the US can make california get on its knees and kiss our shoes by simply taking away their electricity and water.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: BigJ
Quick question: Is California a net importer or exporter of energy?

That's one glaringly obvious problem with an independent CA. Not to mention the meager energy reserves they hold.

And where does California get a large amount of water from? The Colorado River. Hmmmm....

And no, I'm not saying they'd totally collapse. But there would be severe problems within the state, much more so than with the rest of the US.

It's quite amusing that they (CA) think we (the rest of the US) need them more than they need us.

So if Cali said "hay guys, wed like 2 by sum enrgy pls, k thx", the US would say "screw you hippies, we don't want your money!"

Wait, remind me from whom the US buys its oil, and how amicable those relationships are in general. We'll deal with communists, terrorists, dictators, and murderers, but we draw the line at Californians?

Again, global economy. Note the bold. A country doesn't have to be entirely self-sufficient to be a huge force in the world market. And again I feel compelled to use the example of Saudi Arabia.

I don't know why I bother, since clearly you didn't even read my previous post.

we would just be flexing our muscles a bit...and seriously, terrorists are bad, but cali would be committing treason.

 

[Dirigible]

As a descendant of French people and a fourth-generation Californian, I have this to say after reading the above posts: I like cheese.

Carry on.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Gibson486

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: mrkun

Originally posted by: zoiks
Apple also believes California >*

They're right.

x2

\thread

no... it is incorrect. It should be a California<*.

gee... that was a good one.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: BigJ
Quick question: Is California a net importer or exporter of energy?

That's one glaringly obvious problem with an independent CA. Not to mention the meager energy reserves they hold.

And where does California get a large amount of water from? The Colorado River. Hmmmm....

And no, I'm not saying they'd totally collapse. But there would be severe problems within the state, much more so than with the rest of the US.

It's quite amusing that they (CA) think we (the rest of the US) need them more than they need us.

So if Cali said "hay guys, wed like 2 by sum enrgy pls, k thx", the US would say "screw you hippies, we don't want your money!"

Wait, remind me from whom the US buys its oil, and how amicable those relationships are in general. We'll deal with communists, terrorists, dictators, and murderers, but we draw the line at Californians?

Again, global economy. Note the bold. A country doesn't have to be entirely self-sufficient to be a huge force in the world market. And again I feel compelled to use the example of Saudi Arabia.

I don't know why I bother, since clearly you didn't even read my previous post.

And apparently you didn't read my post either, because my whole point isn't that it is impossible for California to be it's own nation. It's that it would ultimately hurt them a lot more than it would hurt us.

And fine, get your oil, coal, and whatever the hell else you want from other countries. Or even get the raw materials and power itself from the US. How are you going to be able to use it without the necessary refineries or power plants? You better believe the US would make CA pay quite a bit, especially resulting in the US and that loss of tax revenue being negligible. And that's if CA doesn't get outbid by actual US states for the excess power the neighboring states generate. Because CA needs it the most, they're going to have to make sure they don't lose out.

The whole point is that it is going to be a net economic loss for California to be their own nation if they decided to and we allowed it (not even getting into the situation of the US not allowing it). This loss is going to be far worse for them than it is for us. Not to mention the social and political aspects of things. Would laws be more favorable for business in CA, remain the same, or would they go completely off the deep end and hamper businesses? Depending on how that goes, there could be a mass exodus of business to the Northern Pac states and inland to Nevada.

Anyway, this topic has been debated to death already and I've got work to do. Arguments can be found supporting my position made by others if you use the search. I really don't feel like rehashing them.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

California:America::America:World

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: senseamp
Because CA has the most highly paid engineers and designers of in the world.
"Designed in CA" = no expense spared. Why wouldn't you put that on your product?

This is a really stupid response.

 

[gunblade]

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
California:America::America:World

In term of economy

 

[91TTZ]

I've been to California several times, and I do like it there, but I think the Californian members of this board really do the state a great injustice. The condescending, smug attitude is repulsive. California is not nice because of people like you, it is nice despite people like you.

 

[gunblade]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I've been to California several times, and I do like it there, but I think the Californian members of this board really do the state a great injustice. The condescending, smug attitude is repulsive. California is not nice because of people like you, it is nice despite people like you.

That is exactly what people outside of US think if you substitute the california with US.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: gunblade

Originally posted by: 91TTZ
I've been to California several times, and I do like it there, but I think the Californian members of this board really do the state a great injustice. The condescending, smug attitude is repulsive. California is not nice because of people like you, it is nice despite people like you.

That is exactly what people outside of US think if you substitute the california with US.

Yeah, it's a shame that we have a lot of people like that. I don't think that way though.

I think it's a big problem when people have that mentality. They want to justify that they're somehow "better" than someone else due to reasons which they couldn't control and didn't influence.

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: BigJ
And fine, get your oil, coal, and whatever the hell else you want from other countries. Or even get the raw materials and power itself from the US. How are you going to be able to use it without the necessary refineries or power plants? You better believe the US would make CA pay quite a bit, especially resulting in the US and that loss of tax revenue being negligible. And that's if CA doesn't get outbid by actual US states for the excess power the neighboring states generate. Because CA needs it the most, they're going to have to make sure they don't lose out.

Because right now Cali gets all of its energy and water for free, and doesn't have to negotiate for it or outbid other states

Sure, the price would change a little, but I doubt any of the states selling water and power right now are equipped to start selling elsewhere at the drop of a hat, so they would just raise the prices slightly and life would go on. I don't know why they would sink millions of dollars into new pipelines, power lines, and other infrastructure to sell to someone else, when there's a buyer already connected and with whom they've been contracting for the last several decades.

I'm not saying that Cali would thrive as a nation. Indeed, I agree that it would hurt them to go independent. It's unclear who would be hurt more in the exchange--that's like ripping a house in two and seeing which half best keeps out the rain--but your original claim that they would "stand no chance" (later modified to a more vague "severe problems") simply doesn't stand up to scrutiny.

Originally posted by: gunblade

Originally posted by: Inspector Jihad
California:America::America:World

In term of economy

Nope, in terms of pretty much everything. Jihad hit the nail right on the head.

 

[SSSnail]

Originally posted by: ChAoTiCpInOy

Originally posted by: DanTMWTMP

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Because California has the GDP of France and anyone who buys an Apple is a cheese eating surrender monkey.

Yeah but Francifornia > Texanada.

LOL nice comback


but ya, CA > *

oh and btw, Southern CA > Northern CA

oh and before i forget, SD > *

ya.

Quick question, which part of CA gets their WATER from the other? What would happen if that water was to be shut off?

Northern CA > Southern CA

We'd simply invade you hippies with our armies of blinged out Escalades, Hummers and rappers.