So who's at fault here? *UPDATED*

[The Batt?sai]

Originally posted by: L1FE

Originally posted by: quasarsky

Originally posted by: L1FE
What time was tfinch2's question relative to your original message saying it was broken. Considering he took the initiative to ask about the trade in the first place, it would seem logical that he wanted to make sure everything was ok. Just because you PM someone doesn't mean you stay online breathlessly waiting for a reply. That's what instant messages are for. Considering the time it took you to even bring up the fact that it was broken, how can you be so impatient to give him feedback in like half an hour. That would definitely make me never want to trade with you.

if i was a good trader i would check the private messages until it was resolved, or at least tell the person i have to get with them at a later time give contact info/etc etc. some people on here take trading seriously, and try to make sure the trade goes good. don't blast me cause i do.

I'm blasting you because you are impatient and have unrealistic expectations of other people. Maybe he wasn't expecting you to PM him back so quickly since PMs != IMs. Unless I was absolutely positive the other person was just chillin' waiting to respond to everything I wrote, I would feel no obligation to just sit in front of my computer. Instant messages are different since there is a set expectation that you respond immediately. Even aside from that, your unwillingness to see the other person's point of view and your one sided blame game makes me really not want to deal with you anyway.

oh yea? i didn't make this thread. i'm not into playing any blame game. tfinch2 made this public and there was no reason too. i left him a neutral, not a negative.

we say so much heat is better than ebay because we at anandtech and other sites take the time to leave proper heat.

its funny when i tried to do that i still get bit in the ass.

all i was trying to do was leave accurate heat. nothing else.

 

[Steve]

He did not post your name in this thread; he did not make it public.


You blemished his record before giving him a chance to make good.


Have you been in touch with Heat23 yet?

 

[Perknose]

I'm thinking face-off in one of those McDonalds ball-filled kiddie centers with pay-per-view, to the death.

 

[The Batt?sai]

Originally posted by: sm8000
He did not post your name in this thread; he did not make it public.


You blemished his record before giving him a chance to make good.


Have you been in touch with Heat23 yet?

he's given anyone that wants my name. thats making it public.
i didn't blemish his record. i just left accurate heat. and no i haven't been in touch with heat23. whats the point? maybe i should? so heat23 won't remove his neutral when he finds out he was going to leave me a retalitory negative heat?

no i won't do that. i left him neutral fair and accurate heat, and i'll leave it at that. he's the one that made this thread.

 

[SilentZero]

Originally posted by: L1FE

Originally posted by: quasarsky

Originally posted by: L1FE
What time was tfinch2's question relative to your original message saying it was broken. Considering he took the initiative to ask about the trade in the first place, it would seem logical that he wanted to make sure everything was ok. Just because you PM someone doesn't mean you stay online breathlessly waiting for a reply. That's what instant messages are for. Considering the time it took you to even bring up the fact that it was broken, how can you be so impatient to give him feedback in like half an hour. That would definitely make me never want to trade with you.

if i was a good trader i would check the private messages until it was resolved, or at least tell the person i have to get with them at a later time give contact info/etc etc. some people on here take trading seriously, and try to make sure the trade goes good. don't blast me cause i do.

I'm blasting you because you are impatient and have unrealistic expectations of other people. Maybe he wasn't expecting you to PM him back so quickly since PMs != IMs. Unless I was absolutely positive the other person was just chillin' waiting to respond to everything I wrote, I would feel no obligation to just sit in front of my computer. Instant messages are different since there is a set expectation that you respond immediately. Even aside from that, your unwillingness to see the other person's point of view and your one sided blame game makes me really not want to deal with you anyway.

Couldn't have said it better!

You didn't have cause in my opinion and you assumed he went offline because he was upset that you waited to tell him it didn't work. Its a win/win situation for you and yet you still didn't leave him positive feedback when he did nothing wrong. You obviously knew his contact information if you communicated with him already, so patience is something you need to learn.

I for one will make a note to never deal with you in the future via Heatware. You should correct this error of judgement instead of defending your inappropriate actions.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: quasarsky

Originally posted by: sm8000
He did not post your name in this thread; he did not make it public.


You blemished his record before giving him a chance to make good.


Have you been in touch with Heat23 yet?

he's given anyone that wants my name. thats making it public.
i didn't blemish his record. i just left accurate heat. and no i haven't been in touch with heat23. whats the point? maybe i should? so heat23 won't remove his neutral when he finds out he was going to leave me a retalitory negative heat?

no i won't do that. i left him neutral fair and accurate heat, and i'll leave it at that. he's the one that made this thread.

Fair and accurate heat? You didn't even give him an hour to respond!

 

[The Batt?sai]

Originally posted by: Perknose
I'm thinking face-off in one of those McDonalds ball-filled kiddie centers with pay-per-view, to the death.

lmao LOL

 

[Steve]

I see he hasn't left you any heat yet - Text

I suppose I could send this thread to Heat23, or not - I'll wait and see if either of you go first. If you don't, well I never thought I would have to start a DNT (Do Not Trade) list...

 

[simms]

Originally posted by: sm8000
I see he hasn't left you any heat yet - Text

I suppose I could send this thread to Heat23, or not - I'll wait and see if either of you go first. If you don't, well I never thought I would have to start a DNT (Do Not Trade) list...

He's already on mine.

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: quasarsky
yeah he may have had any number of things to do but he got off cause he was pissed i mean he said 'when was i going to tell him it didn't work'.

as as for dragoon42, its private messages for a reason? well it stops being private when someone is trying to say i'm a horrible trader. i never said tfinch2 was so he shouldn't have tried to make me out to be one. he lost all rights to pm's privacy.

and no i'm not mad about it. he wanted a feedback so i gave him one. i put thought into it and if i didn't, i would have left him a negative. that would have been hot tempered of me.

So I'm supposed to wait for your response? Give me a break.. :roll:

EDIT: and one more thing, you said you recieved the unit on the 30th. WRONG. I have the DC# that proves you recieved it on the 27th.

0305 2710 0000 5707 7044

And before you cry that I didn't give it to you, I didn't because it's not a tracking number. It's delivery confirmation to protect my ass in situations like these

 

[iamwiz82]

Personally, I think tfinch2 has a right to leave a neutral to negative heat. The buyer is unaccomodating to other people and I would like to know that if I were in a future trade.

 

[The Batt?sai]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Personally, I think tfinch2 has a right to leave a neutral to negative heat. The buyer is unaccomodating to other people and I would like to know that if I were in a future trade.

are u people for real? i paid tfinch2 his money. getting a negative or neutral and he got his money timely and quickly?

are u serious?

i'm done explaining myself. i'm not at fault here. i'm not wasting anymore of my time.

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: Dragoon42
you're both wrong......

Leaving a negative retaliatory feedback is such a pansy thing to do. Heat23 is the mod, and he's a d@mn good one. There's no need to start acting like a little girl about it.

Wouldn't you want to know if he's going to screw over your heat if he doesn't like the way you cross your "t" on the shipping label?

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: simms

Originally posted by: sm8000
I see he hasn't left you any heat yet - Text

I suppose I could send this thread to Heat23, or not - I'll wait and see if either of you go first. If you don't, well I never thought I would have to start a DNT (Do Not Trade) list...

He's already on mine.

yup, absolutely, this quarsky kid has made my DNT list also.

he just doesn't have a clue does he.

 

[The Batt?sai]

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: quasarsky
yeah he may have had any number of things to do but he got off cause he was pissed i mean he said 'when was i going to tell him it didn't work'.

as as for dragoon42, its private messages for a reason? well it stops being private when someone is trying to say i'm a horrible trader. i never said tfinch2 was so he shouldn't have tried to make me out to be one. he lost all rights to pm's privacy.

and no i'm not mad about it. he wanted a feedback so i gave him one. i put thought into it and if i didn't, i would have left him a negative. that would have been hot tempered of me.

So I'm supposed to wait for your response? Give me a break.. :roll:

EDIT: and one more thing, you said you recieved the unit on the 30th. WRONG. I have the DC# that proves you recieved it on the 27th.

0305 2710 0000 5707 7044

And before you cry that I didn't give it to you, I didn't because it's not a tracking number. It's delivery confirmation to protect my ass in situations like these

whatever. my problem isn't with the shipping. i even said that u shipped it quickly. so what if i wasn't here on the 27th when it arrived? i was back home on the 30th and thats when i received it.

 

[Geekbabe]

Originally posted by: quasarsky

Originally posted by: L1FE
What time was tfinch2's question relative to your original message saying it was broken. Considering he took the initiative to ask about the trade in the first place, it would seem logical that he wanted to make sure everything was ok. Just because you PM someone doesn't mean you stay online breathlessly waiting for a reply. That's what instant messages are for. Considering the time it took you to even bring up the fact that it was broken, how can you be so impatient to give him feedback in like half an hour. That would definitely make me never want to trade with you.

if i was a good trader i would check the private messages until it was resolved, or at least tell the person i have to get with them at a later time give contact info/etc etc. some people on here take trading seriously, and try to make sure the trade goes good. don't blast me cause i do.

you've made it to the top of my DNTW list, congrats !!!

Lol ,if you get this flustred over delay in response time I hope you never deal with Dell.

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: quasarsky

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: quasarsky
yeah he may have had any number of things to do but he got off cause he was pissed i mean he said 'when was i going to tell him it didn't work'.

as as for dragoon42, its private messages for a reason? well it stops being private when someone is trying to say i'm a horrible trader. i never said tfinch2 was so he shouldn't have tried to make me out to be one. he lost all rights to pm's privacy.

and no i'm not mad about it. he wanted a feedback so i gave him one. i put thought into it and if i didn't, i would have left him a negative. that would have been hot tempered of me.

So I'm supposed to wait for your response? Give me a break.. :roll:

EDIT: and one more thing, you said you recieved the unit on the 30th. WRONG. I have the DC# that proves you recieved it on the 27th.

0305 2710 0000 5707 7044

And before you cry that I didn't give it to you, I didn't because it's not a tracking number. It's delivery confirmation to protect my ass in situations like these

whatever. my problem isn't with the shipping. i even said that u shipped it quickly. so what if i wasn't here on the 27th when it arrived? i was back home on the 30th and thats when i received it.

That's not my problem. Even if you didn't get it until the 30th, I PM'ed you today, on the 2nd to ask how it worked out. If I didn't PM you, were you ever going to tell me that it was broken?

 

[RossMAN]

PSA: People have lives outside of AT *gasping*

Of course I don't

 

[The Batt?sai]

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: Dragoon42
you're both wrong......

Leaving a negative retaliatory feedback is such a pansy thing to do. Heat23 is the mod, and he's a d@mn good one. There's no need to start acting like a little girl about it.

Wouldn't you want to know if he's going to screw over your heat if he doesn't like the way you cross your "t" on the shipping label?

see how's he is trying to attack my credibility. wow. drawing attention from the real issue. he doesn't like a neutral heat.

and yes i wouldn't want to trade with anyone here who has said they don't appreciate my leaving accurate heat. you traders who want heat left all positive even if the item was in a thousand pieces. u sure are some fake traders. whatever

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: quasarsky

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: Dragoon42
you're both wrong......

Leaving a negative retaliatory feedback is such a pansy thing to do. Heat23 is the mod, and he's a d@mn good one. There's no need to start acting like a little girl about it.

Wouldn't you want to know if he's going to screw over your heat if he doesn't like the way you cross your "t" on the shipping label?

see how's he is trying to attack my credibility. wow. drawing attention from the real issue. he doesn't like a neutral heat.

and yes i wouldn't want to trade with anyone here who has said they don't appreciate my leaving accurate heat. you traders who want heat left all positive even if the item was in a thousand pieces. u sure are some fake traders. whatever

Like your not attacking mine? I have twice as much heat as you...

I'm sorry I wasn't on the edge of my seat waiting for your response.

 

[imported_Mike]

A retaliatory negative is NOT the solution here. I think the neutral was left in haste and probably should not be there either.

What should have happened is that this should have been worked out in private and not spammed all of the forums. Since that wasn't the case you'll both just have to deal with it.

tfinch2, if you leave a retaliatory negative, you'll make a number of DNT lists as well.

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: quasarsky

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
Personally, I think tfinch2 has a right to leave a neutral to negative heat. The buyer is unaccomodating to other people and I would like to know that if I were in a future trade.

are u people for real? i paid tfinch2 his money. getting a negative or neutral and he got his money timely and quickly?

are u serious?

i'm done explaining myself. i'm not at fault here. i'm not wasting anymore of my time.

You sir are a tool, I would never trade with you after this.

Welcome to my DNT list.

 

[OdiN]

Both of you should grow the fvck up.

Talk to Heat23 and get this taken care of.

tfinch2 doesn't deserve neutral feedback as he said he tested it and was ok when shipped. You should have given him time to make it right (eg. refund or something).

tfinch2 shouldn't be leaving retaliatory negative heatware.

There really shouldn't be a thread about this - it puts both your names out there and an established trader like myself may be less likely to want to deal with either of you.

 

[erikistired]

Originally posted by: quasarsky
listen. dude said that quote "So when did you plan on letting me know? The scanner worked for me." at 5:48 pm.

and i told him the error message it was giving me, at 5:52 pm. and he had already signed off, at 5:50pm. seemed like he was avoiding me.

i sent him this at 6:37 pm : "i left a neutral, mostly cause the scanner doesnt' work and partly because u signed off when i was trying to ask u if there was something i did wrong (but i did look over all the directions). i felt its a fair feedback. i won't ship it back to u, i already got another one coming from canon that will be shipped tomorrow. so u don't have to worry about that.

i hope u don't mind the neutral but i left a lengthy feedback explaining why. if u don't want to leave me one i understand. thanks

u don't sign off when someone tells u the scanner or whatever u bought doesnt work, "just to check on it later" (your private messages). whatever. that is not right.

-chris"





here's the response i left him in his heat.

Neutral tfinch2 Bought item 01-02-2006 [CLOSE]
Forum: AnandTech BBS
Description:
bought a scanner lide 500f for $75 bucks shipped
Comments:
was happy with the price (goes for $115 brand new) but unfortuantely scanner doesn't work. i was going to leave tfinch2 a positive feedback for shipping it fast and with everything it came with brand new but when i told him it didn't work he said "when i was going to tell him" in the anandtech forums and signed off. not the fault of the seller but from now on when i buy something i'm going to ask and make sure its tested before its shipped first (he may have done this i dunno, perhaps it got damaged in shipment). he didn't use the scanner that much so it may have worked before but just broke while it was not in use.

on the plus side canon will send me a replacement unit and i will receive it sometime this week, and when i get it back, i'll use their return shipping label to send it back to them. so its not a total loss

and yes i received on the 30th last month and didn't test till today cause i went somewhere for new years. i paid for it on teh 22nd.





tfinch sends me a message at 7:12 pm "Hope you enjoy the replacement. Thanks for giving me time to make it right, and ruining my heatware. Hope you like your negative"


so i sent him this at 7:16 pm. "u can leave me a negative but it won't stick. i can have it removed. i've done nothing wrong. u got my payment and the money worked so. what more do u want? i didn't ruin your heatware. i didn't leave u a negative."

and i followed up with this at 7:18 pm: "and how were u going to make it right by signing off from anandtech when i was sending u a question?"

i didn't do anything wrong here. i can't believe tfinch is trying to make it seem like i am the bad guy.

u don't sign off when someone says the item u bought from them isnt' working, 'just to check your private messages later' whatever. thats bogus. i feel a neutral was fair and i didn't blast him in the heat, i left a lengthy response.

u != you.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: quasarsky

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: Dragoon42
you're both wrong......

Leaving a negative retaliatory feedback is such a pansy thing to do. Heat23 is the mod, and he's a d@mn good one. There's no need to start acting like a little girl about it.

Wouldn't you want to know if he's going to screw over your heat if he doesn't like the way you cross your "t" on the shipping label?

see how's he is trying to attack my credibility. wow. drawing attention from the real issue. he doesn't like a neutral heat.

and yes i wouldn't want to trade with anyone here who has said they don't appreciate my leaving accurate heat. you traders who want heat left all positive even if the item was in a thousand pieces. u sure are some fake traders. whatever

he's not attacking your CREDIBILITY, every claim he makes is documented, the facts here are NOT IN DISPUTE.

what is in dispute is whether or not your showed prudent patient action (Not a fact but opinion) and in the opinion of almost EVERYONE that has responded in this thread, you were impatient and reacted badly to the fact that he didn't respond to your PM immediately.

you acted brashly and harshly.