So where's the "We The People" spew now?

[Wreckem]

Republicans, for the time being.

For the foreseeable future actually. Democrats got thoroughly owned last night. Saying anything different is outright denial.

This was a KEY election cycle because of re-districting. The Democrats didn't just get shellacked in the House, they got slaughtered nationwide at the state level. Republicans now hold the majority of Governorships and State Legislatures. Because of the Census Blue States are losing some House Seats and Red States are gaining them. Couple that with needed redistricting do to population migration, theres going to be a lot of toss up seats moved towards untouchable GOP seats.

The GOP will gain control of the Senate in 2012. They will also further expand its House delegation by 10-15. They won't win the Presidency. You heard it here first.

 

[theeedude]

I'm trying to stop your excuses. They DID hold the Senate -- firmly -- before Kennedy died. Why didn't they pass it then?

And that isn't even the best part. All the Democrats had to do was to put up a semi-decent candidate in the race to determine Kennedy's successor, and they would've held that seat. Oops!

Sounds like you are making my point, that Obama got the healthcare bill to the extent he was going to be able to pass through the Senate, even if given more time with the current one.
Am I completely happy with the healthcare reform bill? No, just like I wouldn't be happy if Social Security was still for just widows and orphans, but I am glad the original bill passed. The seed has been planted. Now we just gotta grow it, expand it, nurture it.

 

[Zebo]

I am glad Blanche Lincoln lost, she did more to get rid of a public option than anyone else...


While this is a big swing and takes us back to pre 2008 levels in many states when it comes to republican authority this does not represent a mandate in any way shape or form. This was an election based on our economic condition. Saying it was anything else is disingenuous and stupid.

The real lesson here is messaging. Republicans won the message war which btw is much easier when you are on the outside looking in. Wait for the real bills to come out of the house to see if they can do anything. Sure they are gonna throw some softball bs bills like the no viagra for felons or a constitutional amendment to prevent bailouts......

As soon as they go corporatist they are screwed....


John of orange will have a harder time than Nancy Pelosi did by the time this is over.

This. All this.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Sounds like you are making my point, that Obama got the healthcare bill to the extent he was going to be able to pass through the Senate, even if given more time with the current one.

I never denied that; in fact, that is exactly what I said but we're disagreeing on how it is viewed at the end. He took what he could get to claim victory. I'd hardly call that a ringing endorsement of his agenda since what he really wanted didn't materialize and he had to pass something -- anything -- to save face.

 

[HumblePie]

/facepalm.


Stop watching Keith Olbermann. It was a landslide. And thats putting it mildly

I don't watch him. I just got into work and did a google search for "election results." Mostly was looking at local results from my area but checked out the bigger results. Google was showing +58 seats in the house with the total being 235 (R) there. Compared with 256 (D) before. But as someone pointed out, not all the results are in, so there could be a few more to the (R) side. But it won't be as big of a lead as the (D) have had. Also, without the (R) controlling all of Congress it is not as big of a deal either.

 

[wayliff]

While this is a big swing and takes us back to pre 2008 levels in many states when it comes to republican authority this does not represent a mandate in any way shape or form. This was an election based on our economic condition. Saying it was anything else is disingenuous and stupid.

The real lesson here is messaging. Republicans won the message war which btw is much easier when you are on the outside looking in. Wait for the real bills to come out of the house to see if they can do anything. Sure they are gonna throw some softball bs bills like the no viagra for felons or a constitutional amendment to prevent bailouts......

I have no doubt. This and many people just vote for their team.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I am glad Blanche Lincoln lost, she did more to get rid of a public option than anyone else...

While this is a big swing and takes us back to pre 2008 levels in many states when it comes to republican authority this does not represent a mandate in any way shape or form. This was an election based on our economic condition. Saying it was anything else is disingenuous and stupid.

The real lesson here is messaging. Republicans won the message war which btw is much easier when you are on the outside looking in. Wait for the real bills to come out of the house to see if they can do anything. Sure they are gonna throw some softball bs bills like the no viagra for felons or a constitutional amendment to prevent bailouts......

As soon as they go corporatist they are screwed....

John of orange will have a harder time than Nancy Pelosi did by the time this is over.

100% accurate. :thumbsup:

 

[Scotteq]

Not really. What has it really changed? Is shit going to working in DC now because the R have taken the house? Yeah! The country is in a stall with the D's or the R's in control of the House. Had they taken the Senate, too, then we might have had something. This changed little to nothing about business as usual.

Well... When Bill Clinton was President the Republicans controlled both the House and Senate for most of that time (6 of 8 years, correct?). I rather enjoyed having a Veto around to keep the assholes in both the Houses from going too far. And I would opine the country was better off for being in that situation.

I would have liked to see a return of a similar situation. Because the way things have been for most of the last decade, there has been precious little application of the Fiscal and Social brakes on our little train of State.

 

[theeedude]

For the foreseeable future actually.

This was a KEY election cycle because of re-districting. The Democrats didn't just get shellacked in the House, they got slaughtered nationwide at the state level. Republicans now hold the majority of Governorships and State Legislatures.

Democrats got thoroughly owned last night. Saying anything different is outright denial.

The GOP will gain control of the Senate in 2012. They will also further expand its House delegation by 10-15. They won't win the Presidency. You heard it hear first.

Foreseeable future = time being. Gerrymandering is nothing new, plus to gain more seats, GOP will need to spread republican voters thinner, making themselves more vulnerable to a wave and ideological dilution.

 

[her209]

The gains made by the Republicans in the House were huge. In the Senate, not so much. But with a majority in the House, the Republicans now have skin in the game and will have to put up or shut up.

 

[theeedude]

I never denied that; in fact, that is exactly what I said but we're disagreeing on how it is viewed at the end. He took what he could get to claim victory. I'd hardly call that a ringing endorsement of his agenda since what he really wanted didn't materialize and he had to pass something -- anything -- to save face.

I don't think he was very specific on what he wanted, he sort of left it up to Congress. But it's not just to save face, it's to get the ball rolling on reform. Even Republicans are pledging to replace Obamacare, outright return to the status quo is no longer acceptable.

 

[PokerGuy]

The gains made by the Republicans in the House were huge. In the Senate, not so much. But with a majority in the House, the Republicans now have skin in the game and will have to put up or shut up.

No, they don't. Their best course of action is making sure no more horrible legislation (ie, Obamacare) gets enacted, and making sure Obummer is a one term president. That's essentially their sole mission now.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

I don't think he was very specific on what he wanted, he sort of left it up to Congress. But it's not just to save face, it's to get the ball rolling on reform. Even Republicans are pledging to replace Obamacare, outright return to the status quo is no longer acceptable.

That is something everyone can agree upon. :thumbsup:

 

[IBMer]

No, they don't. Their best course of action is making sure no more horrible legislation (ie, Obamacare) gets enacted, and making sure Obummer is a one term president. That's essentially their sole mission now.

But that's not what they promised in their campaigns.... are you saying they were lying?

 

[her209]

No, they don't. Their best course of action is making sure no more horrible legislation (ie, Obamacare) gets enacted, and making sure Obummer is a one term president. That's essentially their sole mission now.

I'm certain the Obama is counting and hoping on that. Makes his job easier until 2012 because he can say, "The Republicans won't work with me!"

 

[spidey07]

But that's not what they promised in their campaigns.... are you saying they were lying?

You weren't paying attention. That's EXACTLY what their campaigns were - stop obama and out of control spending.

The Senate Minority leader even said last night again, that is the republican's top priority - stopping obama.

 

[dawp]

The only thing you can say with certainty is that they will control the house for the next two years. What happens after that greatly depends on what they do with that.

 

[lupi]

Did I miss something or didn't the cnn homepage say something this morning about greatest shift since 48 with some races still to be tallied.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

It won't matter what either side actually does. If things improve, the tide turns, if they get worse, it doesn't. Sort of show's you where D and R priorities will be though. Same old song, just different dancers.

 

[irishScott]

Not really. What has it really changed? Is shit going to working in DC now because the R have taken the house? Yeah! The country is in a stall with the D's or the R's in control of the House. Had they taken the Senate, too, then we might have had something. This changed little to nothing about business as usual.

Except for the fact that, assuming they show the same solidarity they have in the past, the GOP can now block virtually any legislation they don't like. As opposed to, say healthcare where they were completely steamrolled. If the situation then was as it is now, Obama's healthcare reform wouldn't have happened. I think it's safe to say things have changed.

Besides, girdlock forces compromise at best and prevents the government from doing much at worst. I'm happy.

 

[cganesh75]

Obama's agenda is dead now. Even he said it so yesterday. He said if rebuplicans take the house his agenda is dead.

Mission Accomplish Americans!

so we balance the budget , cut deficit, cut spending, create jobs and secure our borders this year or next year?

 

[theeedude]

That is something everyone can agree upon. :thumbsup:

Well, Republicans were perfectly fine letting status quo slide since 1994. Now they aren't, so we made progress.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Well, Republicans were perfectly fine letting status quo slide since 1994. Now they aren't, so we made progress.

Republicans have let a lot of things slide -- including their alleged dedication to fiscal conservatism.

 

[Specop 007]

It is a large gain, but not the "tidal wave" of taking every possible seat they could have which is what a few posters here were alluding too. Not to mention many posts of the (R) taking both the House and the Senate and not just one. I was just calling out some of the stupids on this board. Personally I don't associate myself with either (D) or (R) and could give a rats ass. I just like pointing out stupid for a good laugh.

Dont forget what happened at the State levels as well.

 

[Zedtom]

The elation being felt by Republicans will turn to frustration when the congress convenes and they find that Democrats can also play the "just say no" game. The freshmen legislators will get their marching orders from Boehner, and then start crying foul when the Dem's won't work with them.

More BS and inaction from DC, business as usual.