So where's the "We The People" spew now?

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thraashman

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lol, what's sad is that you believe they will. Repubs will pass multiple progressive bills that Obama will sign off on because if they don't they'll be held accountable in 2012 in the form of lost House and Senate seats. The presidency going to anyone but Obama looks unlikely until an actual Republican suitor who isn't radically left comes along, and that person doesn't exist save for Mitt Romney, who's all but a liberal anyway. Repubs will paint it as something other than progressive/liberal, but bottomline is they'll be passed eventually like they always have. Spending will come down though, but that was going to happen anyway based on Obama's own projections.

I feel like you typoed the bolded part and meant someone who isn't radically right. Because so much of the Republicans have gone so very very far right that to them center right people are socialists.
 

Moonbeam

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The people of fear had a huge win but not in California. I don't see why folk don't see this as obvious. Since the Republicans didn't win the Senate and don't have the Presidency I think they should let the House govern. Pass everything they want passed and explain to the people of fear they are doing it for them. Go down the path of fear and death and see where it takes us. It's just a shame the Republicans couldn't have won all three branches. They still have folk they can blame and that's very sad. The party of fear and death will fuck themselves in the ass right up to the day they discover it's their own ass and their own dick.
 

alphatarget1

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I don't think he was very specific on what he wanted, he sort of left it up to Congress. But it's not just to save face, it's to get the ball rolling on reform. Even Republicans are pledging to replace Obamacare, outright return to the status quo is no longer acceptable.

I think Obamacare is horrible for the country but I don't see how Republicans can overturn it.
 

alphatarget1

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You're blaming the oil spil on Republicans? :awe: Put the blame where it belongs... BP.

BP's oil spill is OBAMA's fault. He has been in office for well over a year at the time and appointed all of the regulatory heads. If Democrats blame Bush for 9/11 (which I think Bush most certainly does share blame on preventing the attacks), Obama is fair game. Don't get me started on the lackluster response. This guy is supposed to be competent but he is ANYTHING BUT.
 

nick1985

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You think regaining control of one part of the government counts as a resounding victory?

Gaining double the usual amount of Senate seats, getting more house seats in 1 election since 1948, and absolutely CLEANING UP Governor seats (to to mention 12+ state legislatures that flipped) is NOT a resounding victory?

Are you serious dude? Like, really serious?

I'll add you to my list


People who feel the Republican's did NOT have a resounding victory:

humblepie
senseamp
keith olbermann
MooseNSquirrel


Anyone else?
 

werepossum

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I agree, single payer would have been the way to go. Too bad the Dems caved to the Republican filibuster threat. :thumbsdown:

Considering that the Dems had a year in which Republicans could literally not do a single thing to even slow down the Democrat agenda, it's hard to see how you can blame this on the Pubbies.

Well - it's hard to see how smart, honest people could blame this on the Pubbies anyhow. Progressive apologists have little else, so I suppose you can be excused.
 

Pocatello

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We the people are a fickle lot. We don't care about party ideologue. We care about whether we have jobs or not and we're angry. If the economy doesn't improve, the bums in D.C will be replaced by new bums, rinse and repeat.
 

Scotteq

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I think Obamacare is horrible for the country but I don't see how Republicans can overturn it.

They can overturn it if they can come up with something better, which they can't.



Can't stop it: It's already been signed into law. And without the Senate and President any effort to repeal will inevitably fail. There was a push from a number of State AG's to sue over Healthcare's Constitutionality early in (2009??). But I haven't seen that effort grow wings. So at best - however unlikely - the House could introduce amendments to soften it and (theoretically) that would be an easier task than trashing the whole thing. But no matter what, whatever changes will require Senate approval and a Presidential signature. So I don't see that happening either.

IMHO, the best we can hope for is blessed gridlock and a slowing of Government spending as a result. But as pointed out earlier: Now that the election is over they'll find common ground soon enough, and we will be returned to our regularly scheduled fucking.
 
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CrackRabbit

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Article 1, Section 8. I don't see anything in the enumerated powers of Congress referring to controlling healthcare.

Odd

That is a matter for the courts to decide.

If the newly elected republicans want to take another shot at healthcare law, let them.
I have a feeling they won't bother or won't get too far with it.
 

CrackRabbit

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Gaining double the usual amount of Senate seats, getting more house seats in 1 election since 1948, and absolutely CLEANING UP Governor seats (to to mention 12+ state legislatures that flipped) is NOT a resounding victory?

Are you serious dude? Like, really serious?

I'll add you to my list


People who feel the Republican's did NOT have a resounding victory:

humblepie
senseamp
keith olbermann
MooseNSquirrel


Anyone else?


For their "resounding" victory they will likely have little to show for it once all is said and done.

Eric Cantor said something along the lines of 'If we (the republicans) screw this up, we are dead as a party.'
I think he is right, the pubbies will play it safe, especially with the senate still in democrat hands.
 

CrackRabbit

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Obama's agenda is stopped. Completely neutered. That's doing enough to save this country and get it back on track.

You don't get it do you.
Obama's "agenda" is done with. Other than the bad idea that was cap-n-trade, (that was dead already) he got done a good portion of what he wanted to.
All he has to do now is sit back and relax until 2012 comes around and start pointing the fingers that the republicans are doing nothing when they promised the world to the voters now.

So now what exactly is the republican's agenda? And don't spew some crap about "geting the country back on track and making businesses less scared." All of that is bullshit talking points.
What do they actually want to accomplish? And what can they accomplish without the senate?

I'm willing to believe that with the republicans in control of the house Obama will win a second term easily.
 
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Craig234

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We the people are a fickle lot. We don't care about party ideologue. We care about whether we have jobs or not and we're angry. If the economy doesn't improve, the bums in D.C will be replaced by new bums, rinse and repeat.

When the old and new are all from a pool of corporatists, you haven't really changed anything. That's why Progressives are needed for change.
 

CrackRabbit

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Uh, no. They can now block the Obama Agenda. Should I add your name to the list?

Read my response to spidey. Obama's "agenda" was done before the election.

I already added your name to the "idiots who couldn't buy a clue with all of Bill Gates money" list, so you are welcome to add me to whatever list you have.

I'm a pragmatist, you don't seem to like those. :p
 

senseamp

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GOP made a mistake. The debate is not over, its working its way to the supreme court as we speak

OK, GOP can correct its "mistake" and run on platform of repealing Medicare.
I don't recommend holding your breath for that, unless you are into auto-erotic asphyxiation.