So where's the "We The People" spew now?

[HumblePie]

No, I would have been impressed if they won both the House and the Senate. I would have been impressed if they won all the seats. Actually, a few polls at one point showed Repubs winning damn near everything except 1 or 2 seats from either side of Congress. I am mocking the people that thought that this election represented a huge change. It does not. I had someone in real life try to bet me that the (R) and especially the tea baggers, were going to control both House and Senate for $50. First off I thinking betting on politics is stupid as all it does it create bad blood whether you win or lose so I didn't bet. I would have won however.

The point is that the (R) own the house, but not by a landslide. There is not a guarantee that anything going through the house will go the way of the (R) agenda like it was pretty much guaranteed to go the (D) way up until now. Yes, 58 seats there is big, but not all it could have been is the point I'm making.

 

[theeedude]

Exactly, and why do you suppose the voters opted for gridlock? Want to take a wild guess?

Obama already got his agenda passed. Time to implement it.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Obama already got his agenda passed. Time to implement it.

Really? You mean that watered down, crappy health care bill which he and the Democrats didn't really want but signed on anyway just to say they did something?

I guess there is no need to re-elect him in 2012 if he got his entire agenda passed.

 

[theeedude]

I am kind of disappointed O'Donnell didn't win. She would have been like the Senate's Palin.

 

[nick1985]

Yes, 58 seats there is big, but not all it could have been is the point I'm making.

Its more like ~65. They already are +60, with 13 undecided races still.

 

[theeedude]

Really? You mean that watered down, crappy health care bill which he and the Democrats didn't really want but signed on anyway just to say he did something?

It's not like if he held Senate he would have been able to pass a different one. So to the extent of what is feasible to get passed in Washington, he passed his agenda.

 

[dainthomas]

Really? You mean that watered down, crappy health care bill which he and the Democrats didn't really want but signed on anyway just to say they did something?

I agree, single payer would have been the way to go. Too bad the Dems caved to the Republican filibuster threat. :thumbsdown:

 

[nick1985]

The point is that the (R) own the house, but not by a landslide.

/facepalm.


Stop watching Keith Olbermann. It was a landslide. And thats putting it mildly

 

[spidey07]

Obama's agenda is dead now. Even he said it so yesterday. He said if rebuplicans take the house his agenda is dead.

Mission Accomplish Americans!

 

[IndyColtsFan]

It's not like if he held Senate he would have been able to pass a different one. So to the extent of what is feasible to get passed in Washington, he passed his agenda.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the Democrats firmly held the Senate until Kennedy croaked?

 

[theeedude]

I agree, single payer would have been the way to go. Too bad the Dems caved to the Republican filibuster threat. :thumbsdown:

Fortunately the blue dogs who sold it out got taken to the woodshed last night.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Fortunately the blue dogs who sold it out got taken to the woodshed last night.

And replaced with......?

 

[theeedude]

Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the Democrats firmly held the Senate until Kennedy croaked?

Are you trying to make my point or yours?

 

[Moonbeam]

We the fearful have spoken and won the day. The carrion birds of the Right have prevailed. The party of death is back in town. They have been given a new chance to destroy the country and they don't aim to fail. Time for cowardly Democrats to start working with the maggots.

 

[theeedude]

And replaced with......?

Republicans, for the time being.

 

[wayliff]

This is the largest republican swing in 70 years. We The People, taking it back, stopping tyranny in it's tracks!

I do not take any credit away from this election having a good swing...however again saying "we the people" is an overstatement...

I hate when politicians, and the members of the team that won, throw that term like an absolute when it really means one, or a few more points, above 50%. That is distant from "we the people".

I hope that swing means better balance and not extremism to left or right but that is probably just naive.

 

[umbrella39]

Are you serious, OP? This is a massive swing. The change of seats in the house was huge.

Not really. What has it really changed? Is shit going to working in DC now because the R have taken the house? Yeah! The country is in a stall with the D's or the R's in control of the House. Had they taken the Senate, too, then we might have had something. This changed little to nothing about business as usual.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

60 seat change is huge, although I'd be willing to bet we see the same amount of friendly bi-partisan cooperation we've seen the past 2 years going forward

 

[dainthomas]

Daint, should I add you to the list?

I'm sorry, was that not a legitimate question? Why should I vote for someone different just because of the letter next to their name if it doesn't benefit me?

But good luck with your clueless noobs. I suppose Boehner can always use more lackeys to fetch his coffee, dry cleaning, and spray tan solution.

 

[manimal]

Fortunately the blue dogs who sold it out got taken to the woodshed last night.

I am glad Blanche Lincoln lost, she did more to get rid of a public option than anyone else...


While this is a big swing and takes us back to pre 2008 levels in many states when it comes to republican authority this does not represent a mandate in any way shape or form. This was an election based on our economic condition. Saying it was anything else is disingenuous and stupid.

The real lesson here is messaging. Republicans won the message war which btw is much easier when you are on the outside looking in. Wait for the real bills to come out of the house to see if they can do anything. Sure they are gonna throw some softball bs bills like the no viagra for felons or a constitutional amendment to prevent bailouts......

As soon as they go corporatist they are screwed....


John of orange will have a harder time than Nancy Pelosi did by the time this is over.

 

[Pens1566]

Meh. Not many of the whack-jobs got elected, so that's a good thing.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Are you trying to make my point or yours?

I'm trying to stop your excuses. They DID hold the Senate -- firmly -- before Kennedy died. Why didn't they pass it then?

And that isn't even the best part. All the Democrats had to do was to put up a semi-decent candidate in the race to determine Kennedy's successor, and they would've held that seat. Oops!

 

[Pens1566]

So what you're saying is, that Brown was a less than semi-decent alternative?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Republicans, for the time being.

Yes, so which would you rather have:

Republicans

or

DINOs who could at least be counted to support some of the Democratic agenda?

I just find it incredibly odd that you'd celebrate the Blue Dogs getting bounced when they were replaced by Republicans who will oppose just about anything the Democrats want. At least the Blue Dogs would support the Democrats on many things.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

So what you're saying is, that Brown was a less than semi-decent alternative?

I pass no judgment on Brown, as I am not too familiar with him. It seems to me, though, that in a state that leans so heavily Democratic, all the Democrats had to do was throw up an average candidate and they would probably hold the seat.