So what's the word on HDR tv?

[Eug]

Interesting. Got a link I can look at?

That's how Netflix casting works. Remember it's essentially a 4K version of Chromecast. Streaming is directly from Netflix to the TV and decoded on the TV through the built in casting software. The remote tablet just initiates the link and controls it as necessary.

You can check the wiki entry for Chromecast. You'll see there are two ways Chromecast works. One is that it mirrors what's on the tablet. Netflix doesn't work this way. The Chromecast has video decoding software and Netflix streams video directly to Chromecast and is decoded on it. The tablet functions solely as a control module for it. That is why you can run your old iPhone 4 on iOS 7 to control it and still get perfect streaming

 

[frowertr]

Your going to have to wait on Samsung to upgrade the TV. Netflix just can't send out an upgrade for the app. That's the bad news. The good news is Samsung did announce they were going to upgrade those models to this years OS. After this year you are hosed though. Another reason I think the casting Vizio has implemented will become more popular.

I was thinking i could already watch hdr on this tv as reported in the official JS8500 thread over on AVS. I can always watch HDR shows (the few that are available) streaming from Amazon Prime on the TV.

 

[boomhower]

I was thinking i could already watch hdr on this tv as reported in the official JS8500 thread over on AVS.

You can. Netflix isn't doing HDR yet. They said they are but unknown if that will require an app update. Right now Netflix is just doing Dolby Vision.

 

[frowertr]

You can. Netflix isn't doing HDR yet. They said they are but unknown if that will require an app update. Right now Netflix is just doing Dolby Vision.

Ah. Got ya.

 

[s44]

You can. Netflix isn't doing HDR yet.

Let's not confuse ourselves here. Netflix doesn't do HDR10, which is *one standard* for HDR. They do do Dolby Vision, which is another standard for HDR. Don't use "HDR" to mean one of the particular standards.

 

[Kartajan]

Vizio Link:
https://support.vizio.com/s/article/SmartCast-Home-Theater-Display-and-HDTV-Firmware

The tablet would update just like any other android tablet...

 

[Eug]

P-Series (4K HDR)
75": $3800
65": $2000
55": $1300
50": $1000

M-Series (4K HDR, but less bright and lower gamut than P-Series)
80": $4000
70": $2000
65": $1500
60": $1250
55": $1000
50": $850

E-Series
70": $1700 (4K)
65": $1100 (4K)
60": $970 (4K)
55": $700 (4K)
55": $570 (1080p)
50": $600 (4K)
50": $470 (1080p)
48": $550 (4K)
48": $400 (1080p)
43": $470 (4K)
43": $370 (1080p)
40": $300 (1080p)
32": $230 (1080p)
32": $210 (1080p - I think it has 1 less HDMI port than the $230 model)

Maybe I'll buy a 48" 4K E-Series (US$550) for the living room, and a 70" M-Series (US$2000) for the home theatre.

 

[A5]

I might get a 48" or 50" 1080p E-series to replace an old 42" I have in a second room.

Not going to need 4K on it for a long time, so it isn't worth the $150 bump.

 

[Eug]

I might get a 48" or 50" 1080p E-series to replace an old 42" I have in a second room.

Not going to need 4K on it for a long time, so it isn't worth the $150 bump.

The 4K E series has better specs than the 1080p E series, even if you ignore the 4K part. Unless reviews say the spec differences don't matter real world, I'd go for the 4K model.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Let's not confuse ourselves here. Netflix doesn't do HDR10, which is *one standard* for HDR. They do do Dolby Vision, which is another standard for HDR. Don't use "HDR" to mean one of the particular standards.

Netflix actually does HDR10 right now on Sony TVs and some 2016 models of Samsung. The rollout of the updated app to access the HDR streams is kind of poorly handled at the moment with most Sony models being updated immediately overnight after Netflix turned on HDR10 but only a couple models of Samsung have received the required update. Of course Samsung blames Netflix and Netflix says it's Samsung's fault.

 

[Eug]

Samsung's edge lit KS8000 series gets a very good review at rtings.com

http://ca.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ks8000?uxtv=18f0

In fact, it essentially matched the 2016 Vizio P65, which is FALD.

http://ca.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/p-series-2016

The TV/movie quality is similar but the Samsung has a much better scaler. The Vizio has lower input lag for video games though.

 

[cmdrdredd]

If/when the Vizio gets the hdr10 update we can start to compare the color grading between the Dolby vision and hdr10 releases (Vudu vs disc) on the same tv. That will be interesting to me, see what kind of differences there really is.

 

[boomhower]

Samsung's edge lit KS8000 series gets a very good review at rtings.com

http://ca.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/ks8000?uxtv=18f0

In fact, it essentially matched the 2016 Vizio P65, which is FALD.

http://ca.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/p-series-2016

The TV/movie quality is similar but the Samsung has a much better scaler. The Vizio has lower input lag for video games though.

Going to have to keep a check on the AVS owners threads on those out of curiosity. Last years models also got great reviews but the trick was getting a good one. With edge lit having a lot of inherent flaws a lot of them came with issues like flash lighting among others. Interested to see if Samsung has gotten the manufacturing down to where this isn't a problem. 1000nit and edge lit had me very concerned about that not being an issue.

 

[giantpandaman2]

Samsung's edge lit KS8000 series gets a very good review at rtings.com

The TV/movie quality is similar but the Samsung has a much better scaler. The Vizio has lower input lag for video games though.

Of course, a scaler becomes less and less important as native content (which, to me, is the whole point of going 4k) becomes more prevalent. In the long run, I'd rather have better contrast ratios than a good scaler.

Being patient sucks. I got to say that I really want to watch the HDR 4k version of The Revenant I picked up. Oh well, 1080p still looked damn good.

 

[Eug]

The KS8000 apparently has excellent contrast ratios. Unfortunately, the size maxes out at 65". If you want to go bigger, you have to get a bigger (more expensive) model, and probably curved.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Going to have to keep a check on the AVS owners threads on those out of curiosity. Last years models also got great reviews but the trick was getting a good one. With edge lit having a lot of inherent flaws a lot of them came with issues like flash lighting among others. Interested to see if Samsung has gotten the manufacturing down to where this isn't a problem. 1000nit and edge lit had me very concerned about that not being an issue.

As far as I know it only gets close to that brightness full screen. It shouldn't really be a concern that you'll lose detail in shadows.

 

[frowertr]

I have the last years's JS8500 55" and I've now watched both The Man In The High Castle and Bosch. Both are Amazon series and are UHD/HDR. Then Man In The High Castle looks gorgeous in 4K, especially if you have an HDR set which mine is. The colors really "pop". It's hard to describe, but outdoor scenes look great.

I didn't notice that much of a difference with Bosch. In fact, watching it on another non-4K tv looks pretty much identical to the 4K version.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I have the last years's JS8500 55" and I've now watched both The Man In The High Castle and Bosch. Both are Amazon series and are UHD/HDR. Then Man In The High Castle looks gorgeous in 4K, especially if you have an HDR set which mine is. The colors really "pop". It's hard to describe, but outdoor scenes look great.

I didn't notice that much of a difference with Bosch. In fact, watching it on another non-4K tv looks pretty much identical to the 4K version.

Bosh doesn't use a lot of the wider colors available with HDR but rather is graded to bring out extra shadow detail and add some highlights that pop. It's a different approach to HDR. The recently released movie The Revenant is graded similarly to Bosh In that it isn't going to look ultra bright and use lots of colors that really look flashy. Though with the revenant it's as close to a movie looking like real life as I have seen. It's easily the most impressive HDR movie out right now. If you want another show that is impressive visually with a lot of bright colors and pop try Red Oaks or Mad Dogs. Both on Amazon in HDR and both are very striking. Mad Dogs was filmed in Puerto Rico so the jungle really looks fantastic.

 

[frowertr]

I'll check out Mad Dogs tonight! Thanks for the tip!

Also, thanks for the info on Bosch. I knew they had to be doing "something" different with HDR in that series as compared to The Man In The High Castle. It didn't look bad but didn't have the same "flash" that High Castle had. Still looked damn fine in 4k.

 

[cmdrdredd]

I'll check out Mad Dogs tonight! Thanks for the tip!

Also, thanks for the info on Bosch. I knew they had to be doing "something" different with HDR in that series as compared to The Man In The High Castle. It didn't look bad but didn't have the same "flash" that High Castle had. Still looked damn fine in 4k.

Yep HDR isn't always about brightness and flashy colors. Shadow detail is one of the better usages IMO.

 

[MaxDepth]

I got this email from rtings.com:

We will start reviewing Hisense TVs in a few months.

Cedric Demers
Rtings.com

 

[cmdrdredd]

I got this email from rtings.com:

That's good because those are going to be popular budget tvs. I would like them to start reviewing the Chinese OLED tvs due out this year. They are supposed to be very reasonable compared to LG and feature Dolby vision too.

 

[Eug]

Chinese OLEDs coming... Hmmm... Even more reason to wait then. From whom?

BTW, Samsung will be releasing OLEDs this year too I believe.

 

[cmdrdredd]

Chinese OLEDs coming... Hmmm... Even more reason to wait then. From whom?

BTW, Samsung will be releasing OLEDs this year too I believe.

Skyworth. They were at CES this year displaying Dolby Vision enabled OLED sets but I've heard nothing beyond that. On AVS someone alluded to them wanting to bring them outside China but I dunno beyond that. I do know they are using LG panels. http://4k.com/news/chinese-brand-skyworth-aiming-to-sell-200000-or-more-oled-4k-tvs-in-2016-11724/

I haven't heard anything about Samsung OLEDs. Last I heard Samsung pretty much bashed OLED as being too expensive to produce for too little return.

 

[Eug]

Samsung and LG to go head to head in the OLED panel business

Korean rivals Samsung and LG are looking to change their strategies in the OLED display panel business to compete with each other. Samsung is going to make a substantial investment in OLED TV panel manufacturing while LG is planning to invest in smaller OLED display panels for smartphones.

According to sources in the display industry, Samsung is planning to install large OLED panel manufacturing equipment in Tangjeong, South Chungcheong Province in Q3, 2016 with an initial investment of 2-3 trillion Korean Won. Samsung Display is currently said to be conducting final tests on its eight-generation OLED panel manufacturing technology.

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So it sounds like if this happens, while the TVs will be made in 2016, these will likely be 2017 models. So actually next year, not this year.