So, what's the deal with Che?

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I find it more disturbing that you went through school without ever hearing about him.

I find your smug tone disturbing especially since nobody in this thread, including myself, who went through college ever heard of him.

I guess taking CS courses and playing kiddie games while at school kept you from learning about historic individuals of the past century.

So which class did you learn about him in?

Probably some history class in High School or College. I probably did a report on him for one of those classes years ago or heard someone do a report on him and followed up by reading about him myself.

#1 If your general history teacher wasted enough time on Che to have you write a full report on him, then you probably lost out on something else way more important.

#2 If you chose to write a report on him, then your "schooling" had nothing to do with it.

#3 If you googled it after the start of this thread to look informed and then vaguely refer to some class in high school where you learned it, you should be ashamed.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

#1 If your general history teacher wasted enough time on Che to have you write a full report on him, then you probably lost out on something else way more important.

Such as?

#2 If you chose to write a report on him, then your "schooling" had nothing to do with it.

Yeah right, I went around writing reports for sh!ts and giggles.

#3 If you googled it after the start of this thread to look informed and then vaguely refer to some class in high school where you learned it, you should be ashamed.

Is that one of your tried and true methods?

I understand that many of todays generation are more concerned with things that immediately effect them and usually have know interest in past history and those who made it unless it's in a movie.

 

[Turkish]

To tell you the truth, I find it normal that most American kids don't know who Ernesto Rafael Guevara is. They probably were too busy playing their Nintendos or Playstations, getting their fat asses fatter and flaming each other on the internet. Sad.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: The Boss
To tell you the truth, I find it normal that most American kids don't know who Ernesto Rafael Guevara is. They probably were too busy playing their Nintendos or Playstations, getting their fat asses fatter and flaming each other on the internet. Sad.

If the subject isn't brooched in school you really can't blame them for their ignorance.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: The Boss
To tell you the truth, I find it normal that most American kids don't know who Ernesto Rafael Guevara is. They probably were too busy playing their Nintendos or Playstations, getting their fat asses fatter and flaming each other on the internet. Sad.

If the subject isn't brooched in school you really can't blame them for their ignorance.

You can still mock them for it though.

- M4H

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: The Boss
To tell you the truth, I find it normal that most American kids don't know who Ernesto Rafael Guevara is. They probably were too busy playing their Nintendos or Playstations, getting their fat asses fatter and flaming each other on the internet. Sad.

If the subject isn't brooched in school you really can't blame them for their ignorance.

You can still mock them for it though.

- M4H

Did you learn about Che in the Canadian Schools?

 

[Gothgar]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: The Boss
To tell you the truth, I find it normal that most American kids don't know who Ernesto Rafael Guevara is. They probably were too busy playing their Nintendos or Playstations, getting their fat asses fatter and flaming each other on the internet. Sad.

If the subject isn't brooched in school you really can't blame them for their ignorance.

You can still mock them for it though.

- M4H

 

[Modeps]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: The Boss
To tell you the truth, I find it normal that most American kids don't know who Ernesto Rafael Guevara is. They probably were too busy playing their Nintendos or Playstations, getting their fat asses fatter and flaming each other on the internet. Sad.

If the subject isn't brooched in school you really can't blame them for their ignorance.

You can still mock them for it though.

- M4H

His importance seems varied depending on who you ask, therefore I dont think a mocking is called for. Besides, I'm trying to fill the void.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: The Boss
To tell you the truth, I find it normal that most American kids don't know who Ernesto Rafael Guevara is. They probably were too busy playing their Nintendos or Playstations, getting their fat asses fatter and flaming each other on the internet. Sad.

If the subject isn't brooched in school you really can't blame them for their ignorance.

You can still mock them for it though.

- M4H

Did you learn about Che in the Canadian Schools?

Yep, we were taught more than just "Canada Day" up here. Grade X History.

- M4H

 

[SchrodingersDog]

I think it's important for Latin American schools to teach an accurate account of Che's impact on their region, but it's not necessary in the US. If the Communist movement turned out to have any staying power or Che's actions and beliefs had a positive effect on the peoples of his region, it may be different. If we analyze Guevara?s popular appeal more than a third of a century after his timely death, we can see that it is the result of aesthetic and emotional responses rather than rational reflection, responses that are now kept alive by a good dose of commercialism.

 

[freegeeks]

There was a Rage Against The Machine shirt that had Che's face on it back when I was in high school. I'd imagine the popularity of wearing a Che shirt probably got a boost from RATM, though probably less than 1% of the kids wearing a shirt with his face on have the slightest clue as to who he was.

LOL

the morons in my school were actually convinced that the face on the shirt was the lead singer from RATM

i also want to add that I find it disturbing that some people here never heard about Che

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I find it more disturbing that you went through school without ever hearing about him.

I find your smug tone disturbing especially since nobody in this thread, including myself, who went through college ever heard of him.

I guess taking CS courses and playing kiddie games while at school kept you from learning about historic individuals of the past century.

Wow, you are a borderline moron.

Not every school system can study every single trivial person in the history of teh world. He was a nobody and with finite resources in school you do not study nobodys. He is about as a historical figure as who was George Washington's personal secetary.

Consider myself, I went through all of that honors/AP crap in high school and we never studied Che.
I never studied Che in college, chiefly because I tested out of my required college history (go go AP tests).
I did read up on him on my own when I was in college because I was curious to know more about this clown.

Congrats, you may have studied Che when you are a school but you still get an Idiot Award for not being able to think outside of your own little box.

 

[RaDragon]

I think that most people (not all) who wear a shirt with Che's likeness don't really understand his entire story. Someone already pointed out the Wikipedia article, and here's an excerpt:

"Ernesto Rafael Guevara de la Serna (May 14, 1928 ? October 9, 1967), commonly known as Che Guevara, was an Argentine-born Marxist revolutionary and Cuban guerrilla leader. Guevara was a member of Fidel Castro's "26th of July Movement", which seized power in Cuba in 1959. After serving various important posts in the new government, Guevara left Cuba in 1966 with the hope of fomenting revolutions in other countries, first in the Democratic Republic of the Congo and later in Bolivia, where he was captured in a CIA-organized military operation. The CIA wanted to keep him alive for interrogation, but he was executed by the Bolivian army. After his death, Guevara became a hero of Third World socialist revolutionary movements, as a theorist and tactician of asymmetric warfare."

The photo which spawned the shirts and other propaganda:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi...ia/en/5/54/Cheicon.jpg
"From Alberto Korda's 1960 photo, this modified image became an icon of revolutionary struggle and a popular image for radical youth of the 1960s."

So if you're into Marxist or Socialist (or even Communist) ideals, then Che's your man

 

[pulse8]

Maybe it's just from growing up in Miami, but I learned about Castro and Che in high school.

 

[Megatomic]

I took AP History here in VA and never heard of him in HS. In college I did but his life was glossed over as a sidenote. I don't really see how his biographical info is important to most educations unless you are a history major.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I find it more disturbing that you went through school without ever hearing about him.

I find your smug tone disturbing especially since nobody in this thread, including myself, who went through college ever heard of him.

I guess taking CS courses and playing kiddie games while at school kept you from learning about historic individuals of the past century.

Wow, you are a borderline moron.

Not every school system can study every single trivial person in the history of teh world. He was a nobody and with finite resources in school you do not study nobodys. He is about as a historical figure as who was George Washington's personal secetary.

Consider myself, I went through all of that honors/AP crap in high school and we never studied Che.
I never studied Che in college, chiefly because I tested out of my required college history (go go AP tests).
I did read up on him on my own when I was in college because I was curious to know more about this clown.

Congrats, you may have studied Che when you are a school but you still get an Idiot Award for not being able to think outside of your own little box.

At least according to a little frustrated smear of a man like yourself. That taken into consideration your insult is rather mild.

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Babbles
I never studied Che in college because I wasn't in the class.

Fixed your quote. See how much more sense it makes? :roll:

- M4H

 

[Turkish]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
#1 If your general history teacher wasted enough time on Che to have you write a full report on him, then you probably lost out on something else way more important.

Such as what? The 300-year U.S. history?:roll:

#2 If you chose to write a report on him, then your "schooling" had nothing to do with it.

You are right, he should have chosen to write a report on Civil War, like everyone else (which adds, apparently, a whole bunch of to his education).

#3 If you googled it after the start of this thread to look informed and then vaguely refer to some class in high school where you learned it, you should be ashamed.

You don't know much about Red Dawn, do you?

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: RaDragon
So if you're into ... Socialist ... ideals, then Che's your man

That explains how I learned about him in Canada.

- M4H

 

[anxi80]

wow, kinda shocked a lot of people hadn't heard of che. next thing you people are going to tell me is that you've never heard of emiliano zapata either (that one may be a bit more of a stretch though).

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: anxi80
wow, kinda shocked a lot of people hadn't heard of che. next thing you people are going to tell me is that you've never heard of emiliano zapata either (that one may be a bit more of a stretch though).

He invented Nikes....right?

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Babbles
I never studied Che in college because I wasn't in the class.

Fixed your quote. See how much more sense it makes? :roll:

- M4H

Eh, I got a science degree what do you expect! I only took my required writing course thing because I had no choice.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: jagec

Originally posted by: anxi80
wow, kinda shocked a lot of people hadn't heard of che. next thing you people are going to tell me is that you've never heard of emiliano zapata either (that one may be a bit more of a stretch though).

He invented Nikes....right?

:laugh:He was a Mexican Revolutionary.

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
I find it more disturbing that you went through school without ever hearing about him.

I find your smug tone disturbing especially since nobody in this thread, including myself, who went through college ever heard of him.

I guess taking CS courses and playing kiddie games while at school kept you from learning about historic individuals of the past century.

Wow, you are a borderline moron.

Not every school system can study every single trivial person in the history of teh world. He was a nobody and with finite resources in school you do not study nobodys. He is about as a historical figure as who was George Washington's personal secetary.

Consider myself, I went through all of that honors/AP crap in high school and we never studied Che.
I never studied Che in college, chiefly because I tested out of my required college history (go go AP tests).
I did read up on him on my own when I was in college because I was curious to know more about this clown.

Congrats, you may have studied Che when you are a school but you still get an Idiot Award for not being able to think outside of your own little box.

At least according to a little frustrated smear of a man like yourself. That taken into consideration your insult is rather mild.

Whoa, it is like you are being clever . . . but not really.

You were the one being "disturbed" about the fact that somebody did not learn about Che in school. Now confronted with the facts that a majority of people in this thread never studied Che while in school, you try to casually pass it off by calling me frustrated.
The 'good' thing you could have done was say, "Whoops, I studied him in school so I assumed that everybody else did as well." Instead you berate people for taking CS courses or playing video games or assuming deficiencies on their knowledge of other pieces of history.
Sounds like an insecurity complex to me.
Your continuted inability to think from another perspective should embarass you.

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: anxi80
wow, kinda shocked a lot of people hadn't heard of che. next thing you people are going to tell me is that you've never heard of emiliano zapata either (that one may be a bit more of a stretch though).

Exactly. It's sort of like never having heard of Zapata or Maximilian or Pancho Villa.

If you've read anything at all about Castro's revolution you could hardly have missed Guevara's name. I think most people just seem to know that Cuba had a revolution and it was led by a man named Castro; throw in a couple of fuzzy thoughts about Communism, the Bay of Pigs and Kennedy and you can sum up the overall knowledge of the topic. Sad really, considering this is a country lying 90 miles off of our coast and has been influencing foreign policy for decades now.