so what does Obama really stand for?

[Matt1970]

You're stuck on candidate Obama. We're discussing President Obama, the center-right, corporatist stooge.

Is that where he is today? I can't tell. My cable is out so I can't get today's update on Obama stances.

 

[bamacre]

It never occurs to you does it, that you are drastically unqualified to judge. Your truth is that YOU don't change your core illusions based on information. A brick stays a brick.

As a constituent, it is his duty to judge Obama, not as a person, but as a representative. If PeshakJang is not qualified to judge Obama in this manner, then who is? If no one, then what are you implying about a system of representative government?

 

[bamacre]

Obama stands for governing from the center.

LOL, the center of what?

 

[Matt1970]

My cable just came back. Oh I see what he stands for today. If my cable goes out tomorrow you guys will have to update me on what Obama stands for.

 

[_GTech]

There is no left or right when you are allowed to be president, you represent the ,01% who own this country - Wall street MIC and bankers and you job is to let them get away with anything , even crimes, to enable them to acquire more, everything else you do is for public consumption.

Two great articles from opposite ends who have bought a clue most have not unfortunately and argue over trivial bullshit
http://spectator.org/archives/2010/07/16/americas-ruling-class-and-the
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/edward-harrison/matt-taibbi-on-obamas-big_b_388594.html

Those are some outstanding articles, thank you for sharing, and I do so love this one line in the first article..

Americans' conviction that the ruling class is as hostile as it is incompetent has solidified.

I'm glad that America is waking up. Personally I'd like to see action that would overthrow the system which is obviously polluted, no matter what action is taken, it's obvious that if no action is taken we will get the same results, no matter who is in office.

 

[Icepick]

Obama - Because anyone is better than the Neo Conservative fools who nearly brought American Capitalism to its knees and a near collapse.

 

[Carmen813]

What troubles me is that so many Democrats still blindly support him. He's been a disaster, he's done so many things that should have his constituents gathering up pitchforks, yet he's looking at another landslide victory in '12. Obama isn't the one looking stupid, IMHO, no, that's all these fucking momo's who are enthusiastically ready to re-elect him.

As opposed to who? Bachmann? Palin? Gingrich? The reason he is likely to win reelection is because the GOP base doesn't understand the word "moderate." The only candidate I can even find palatable is Mitt Romney.

I'm primarily unhappy about Obama's performance with regard to expanding the Executive's powers with regards to conducting war. That said, he was hamstrung by his own party when it came to Gitmo. Frankly, the Democrats who are unhappy with Obama are those who had unrealistic expectations in the first place. Most of his policy stances are consistent with what he has said for years.

 

[Carmen813]

Obama is for equal distribution of wealth, or theft, whichever you want to call it.
He voted for the war before he voted against it.
He is for not taking military action without the approval of congress
He is for driving the National debt up 4 Trillion in 2 years while driving unemplyment from 7% to over 10%
He is for bringing the troops home from Iraq in 2009 - 47,000 U.S. Troops in Iraq as of Jan 31, 2011.
He is for closing Guantanamo Bay
He is for Socialized Medicine
He wants to have peacefull talks with evil dictators
He wants to cut the deficit - I still laugh at that one

He, and liberals in general, are NOT for equal distribution of wealth. They are for REDUCING the ridiculous wealth DISPARITY that exists in the United States. Making statements like this just makes you sound like a complete tool. Learn what your opponents actually stand for if you ever want to convince anyone but a drooling idiot that your position is valid.

 

[Moonbeam]

As a constituent, it is his duty to judge Obama, not as a person, but as a representative. If PeshakJang is not qualified to judge Obama in this manner, then who is? If no one, then what are you implying about a system of representative government?

Only that PeshakJang will vote for somebody who also lacks judghment to represent his own lack of judgment.

 

[HomerJS]

Obama: Driving car, soon car heads towards cliff, Obama turns left...he has no principles

Bush: Driving car, soon car heads towards cliff, Bush keeps same direction car goes over cliff....he sticks to his beliefs.

 

[RedChief]

Obama: Driving car, soon car heads towards cliff, Obama turns left but car goes over cliff...he has no principles

Bush: Driving car, soon car heads towards cliff, Bush keeps same direction car goes over cliff....he sticks to his beliefs.

Corrected you there.

 

[Jaskalas]

Obama: Driving car, soon car heads towards cliff, Obama turns left...he has no principles

Bush: Driving car, soon car heads towards cliff, Bush keeps same direction car goes over cliff....he sticks to his beliefs.

Obama is not steering left.

Weren't they complaining about rich people, before bailing them out, complaining about patriot acts before enforcing it, complaining about wars before continuing, expanding, and starting new ones. Weren't they complaining about wiretaps before listening in?

If anything Obama is pro-government, which was the exact same problem we had with GWB.

 

[rudeguy]

Obama is not steering left.

Weren't they complaining about rich people, before bailing them out, complaining about patriot acts before enforcing it, complaining about wars before continuing, expanding, and starting new ones. Weren't they complaining about wiretaps before listening in?

If anything Obama is pro-government, which was the exact same problem we had with GWB.

correct. Its more like he dropped it into reverse, did a few donuts, swerved hard left, overcorrected, swerved hard right, then gave up and let it idle.

He is supposed to be leading the country, not wavering on every single issue. Did you hear his Lybia speech? I haven't heard someone use that many words to say nothing in a long time.

Even if I don't agree with a decision, I'm going to respect someone a lot more if they aren't afraid to make that decision. Now we have to deal with this guy who won't make a decision but instead will go hide on the golf course or go on vacation.

The guy has shown himself to be a pussy at best. A coward at worst.

 

[bamacre]

Only that PeshakJang will vote for somebody who also lacks judghment to represent his own lack of judgment.

So you two have something in common.

 

[Fern]

I'm curious to see what Pres Obama is going to run on in '12. I'm thinking what he stands for is what he'll run on.

Hope and Change? I can't see that. In fact, I think it would just cause laughter.

Closing GITMO? Well, no obviously.

Restoring rights and rolling back the Patriot Act? Well, no again. I think he's actually strengthened the Patriot Act.

Getting us out of Iraq & Afganistan? I don't see how. He's following Bush's Iraq plans and has surged in Afganistan.

Unemployment? It was about 7% when took office. His Stim bill did not keep it under 8% as advertised. I suppose there is hope it may fall substantially before the election.

His ability to deal with foreign leaders? I recall him saying he was willing to negotiate/speak with others. Many of his supporters thought his oral communication skills would make him a pursausive leader. However, I don't think we've seen much out of him along these lines. Has he talked Iran into being a better 'world citizen'? I'm not aware of it. Same for N. Korea. Did he even try to talk with Qaddafy before bombing? If so, I missed it.

Change the tone in Washington? Nope, don't think so. His remarks like "the Repubs can come along, but they have to sit in the back of the bus" work to dispell any notion that he was serious about that.

Transparancy? His admin has been a noted failure as regards this.

Health Care Reform? I suppose he can run on this, but seems most Dems are backing away from that. I suspect he won't.

Maybe some of you can come up with a platform he may campaign on. I'm not having much luck with it.

Edit: Corrected unemployment statistic above.

Fern

 

[waggy]

I'm curious to see what Pres Obama is going to run on in '12. I'm thinking what he stands for is what he'll run on.

Hope and Change? I can't see that. In fact, I think it would just cause laughter.

Closing GITMO? Well, no obviously.

Restoring rights and rolling back the Patriot Act? Well, no again. I think he's actually strengthened the Patriot Act.

Getting us out of Iraq & Afganistan? I don't see how. He's following Bush's Iraq plans and has surged in Afganistan.

Unemployment? It was about 5% when took office. His Stim bill did not keep it under 8% as advertised. I suppose there is hope it may fall substantially before the election.

His ability to deal with foreign leaders? I recall him saying he was willing to negotiate/speak with others. Many of his supporters thought his oral communication skills would make him a pursausive leader. However, I don't think we've seen much out of him along these lines. Has he talked Iran into being a better 'world citizen'? I'm not aware of it. Same for N. Korea. Did he even try to talk with Qaddafy before bombing? If so, I missed it.

Change the tone in Washington? Nope, don't think so. His remarks like "the Repubs can come along, but they have to sit in the back of the bus" work to dispell any notion that he was serious about that.

Transparancy? His admin has been a noted failure as regards this.

Health Care Reform? I suppose he can run on this, but seems most Dems are backing away from that. I suspect he won't.

Maybe some of you can come up with a platform he may campaign on. I'm not having much luck with it.

Fern

ohh great points.

here is what he will say "bush ..." pretty much it.

 

[werepossum]

I'm curious to see what Pres Obama is going to run on in '12. I'm thinking what he stands for is what he'll run on.

Hope and Change? I can't see that. In fact, I think it would just cause laughter.

Closing GITMO? Well, no obviously.

Restoring rights and rolling back the Patriot Act? Well, no again. I think he's actually strengthened the Patriot Act.

Getting us out of Iraq & Afganistan? I don't see how. He's following Bush's Iraq plans and has surged in Afganistan.

Unemployment? It was about 7% when took office. His Stim bill did not keep it under 8% as advertised. I suppose there is hope it may fall substantially before the election.

His ability to deal with foreign leaders? I recall him saying he was willing to negotiate/speak with others. Many of his supporters thought his oral communication skills would make him a pursausive leader. However, I don't think we've seen much out of him along these lines. Has he talked Iran into being a better 'world citizen'? I'm not aware of it. Same for N. Korea. Did he even try to talk with Qaddafy before bombing? If so, I missed it.

Change the tone in Washington? Nope, don't think so. His remarks like "the Repubs can come along, but they have to sit in the back of the bus" work to dispell any notion that he was serious about that.

Transparancy? His admin has been a noted failure as regards this.

Health Care Reform? I suppose he can run on this, but seems most Dems are backing away from that. I suspect he won't.

Maybe some of you can come up with a platform he may campaign on. I'm not having much luck with it.

Edit: Corrected unemployment statistic above.

Fern

He will claim that his actions saved the Great Recession from becoming the Other Great Depression, and we need to "stay the course" and "finish the job" to ensure that we don't go back to the "failed policies of yesterday".

 

[HomerJS]

Really? The only core principle I'm aware of Bush stood by is his promise not to fuck interns "that honor and dignity to the White House thing". Name one CP Bush kept he promised in 2000?

There are plenty of things to criticize Obama for but "what are his core principles" is right wing touretts. I was waiting for one of these...

Kenyan
Socialist
Nuanced
Not one of us
un-american
unpatriotic

Still waiting for a CP kept by Bush from the campaign in 2000....

crickets.....

 

[Matt915]

What troubles me is that so many Democrats still blindly support him. He's been a disaster, he's done so many things that should have his constituents gathering up pitchforks, yet he's looking at another landslide victory in '12. Obama isn't the one looking stupid, IMHO, no, that's all these fucking momo's who are enthusiastically ready to re-elect him.

This. Here's what I don't get:

Why would anyone still support him? I'm not saying in relation to the typical tripe the GOP is serving up these days (Palin, etc. I despise ultra-conservatives as much as prog. liberals). But within your own party, why would you continue to support this person? Democrats, and Independents to an extent voted for him based on his campaign promises. Even before he was going against Mccain/Palin he had to defeat several other democrats. So Democrats/Independents chose him as their candidate based on the promises he made, and judged him first to be a better candidate than any other Dem challenger, and then Mccain/Palin.

Now I never liked Obama, at all. However I dislike him less now. Why? Because he hasn't done most of what he said he would do. In fact in some cases he's done the opposite. So again, why would a democrat still support him? You have an entire party of potential people to support that are still promising to do certain things, but you continue to support someone who made promises and then failed to live up to them. If you want to be a democrat, fine, but you have SO many other options you could choose from...why go with this one?

 

[jonks]

This. Here's what I don't get:

Why would anyone still support him? I'm not saying in relation to the typical tripe the GOP is serving up these days (Palin, etc. I despise ultra-conservatives as much as prog. liberals). But within your own party, why would you continue to support this person? Democrats, and Independents to an extent voted for him based on his campaign promises. Even before he was going against Mccain/Palin he had to defeat several other democrats. So Democrats/Independents chose him as their candidate based on the promises he made, and judged him first to be a better candidate than any other Dem challenger, and then Mccain/Palin.

Now I never liked Obama, at all. However I dislike him less now. Why? Because he hasn't done most of what he said he would do. In fact in some cases he's done the opposite. So again, why would a democrat still support him? You have an entire party of potential people to support that are still promising to do certain things, but you continue to support someone who made promises and then failed to live up to them. If you want to be a democrat, fine, but you have SO many other options you could choose from...why go with this one?

http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/

 

[Matt915]

Right but the first link is from his own press-office...

Though I do like the 2nd link

 

[HAL9000]

Truth, Justice and the American way...

 

[Fern]

He will claim that his actions saved the Great Recession from becoming the Other Great Depression, and we need to "stay the course" and "finish the job" to ensure that we don't go back to the "failed policies of yesterday".

Yes, I can easily imagine that.

Particularly the part about saving us a from 'Great Depression'.

Fern

 

[jonks]

Right but the first link is from his own press-office...

eh?

 

[waggy]

http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/

sure he had done a lot that he said he would. BUT NOT the big things that got him elected.

did he close gitmo? no.
Shut down the 2 "illegal" wars? no. in fact he moved them to Afghanistan and now we are attacking Libya.

did he help the middle class? hahahahha oh man.

he toughened up the patriot act and is helping big business more then the middle class.


There is NOBODY in the Dems that can or will fight him. The GOP? pfft. Palin? oh god no. other then that? yeah nobody.

he is going to win a 2nd term. i just wonder if he will have the blind support he had the 1st term.