so what does Obama really stand for?

[Macamus Prime]

Come on now. That is nowhere near fair. I am sure he will take the non-virgins too.

Very doubtful, there is no blood with the crying if he takes the non-virgins.

 

[Matt1970]

Very doubtful, there is no blood with the crying if he takes the non-virgins.

Ya, but he will make up for it in heaven. There are 50 waiting for him.

 

[bradley]

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-isnt-wall-street-in-jail-20110216

Forget about the demonization of the Tea Party and other small movements not amounting to much comparatively, this article should be required reading for every American. I never imagined Rolling Stone as the last remaining vestiges of real investigative journalism.

In fact, the first Presidential hopeful that uses the majority of Matt Taibbi's articles as their platform gets my vote... not that they would likely live to serve. Otherwise, my vote has become as useless as tits on a bull.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Obama strikes me as a naive idealist who's reacted relatively intelligently to the realities and complexities of the office. Unfortunately, he's made 2 major mistakes IMO...the porkulus package and championing a highly flawed healthcare bill.

 

[Macamus Prime]

Ya, but he will make up for it in heaven. There are 50 waiting for him.

He hasn't killed enough Americans for that. He isn't even 1/2 way near his quota.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

He hasn't killed enough Americans for that. He isn't even 1/2 way near his quota.

I'm not sure why one persons actions excuses anothers. If I detested the prior administrations wiretap policy why should I embrace this ones strengthening it? Because he's half African american?

 

[Macamus Prime]

I'm not sure why one persons actions excuses anothers. If I detested the prior administrations wiretap policy why should I embrace this ones strengthening it? Because he's half African american?

It's not you, it's those who label him as weak, but then those same people start screaming bloody murder when Lybia gets bombed and when wire taps are strengthened.

He is painted as a villian either way,.. because he's half African American.

 

[soundforbjt]

He stands (like all recent Presidents) for the corporations and banks that really run this country.

 

[werepossum]

your obama is Dick Cheney with a sun tan.

Hardly, Cheney is openly pro-gay marriage.

Plus you have to shoot someone in the face with a shotgun AND then have them publicly apologize to you before you may be compared to the demi-god that is Cheney. He'll need a hotter wife too.

 

[Macamus Prime]

Hardly, Cheney is openly pro-gay marriage.

Plus you have to shoot someone in the face with a shotgun AND then have them publicly apologize to you before you may be compared to the demi-god that is Cheney. He'll need a hotter wife too.

And, a rich personal history with the a company that supplied fuel for a war his administration started.

 

[jonks]

Hardly, Cheney is openly pro-gay marriage.

"My feelings about this are constantly evolving. I struggle with this." I think we can see where that's headed...

Plus you have to shoot someone in the face with a shotgun AND then have them publicly apologize to you before you may be compared to the demi-god that is Cheney. He'll need a hotter wife too.

I don't find either Michele or Lynn Cheney particularly attractive, but if I had to grade them I don't see how Lynn comes out on top.

 

[thraashman]

Hardly, Cheney is openly pro-gay marriage.

Plus you have to shoot someone in the face with a shotgun AND then have them publicly apologize to you before you may be compared to the demi-god that is Cheney. He'll need a hotter wife too.

It does scare me there there is ANY political stance in which I agree more with Dick Cheney than Barack Obama.

 

[werepossum]

"My feelings about this are constantly evolving. I struggle with this." I think we can see where that's headed...



I don't find either Michele or Lynn Cheney particularly attractive, but if I had to grade them I don't see how Lynn comes out on top.

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2009/06/dick_cheney_gay_marriage_pione.html

Speaking at the National Press Club today, Dick Cheney, who has a lesbian daughter, offered a full-throated endorsement for same-sex marriage. "I think that freedom means freedom for everyone," he said. But lest you take this as some sort of breakthrough, recall that Cheney said almost the same thing all the way back in 2000, during a vice-presidential debate with Joe Lieberman. "We live in a free society and freedom means freedom for everybody" is how he put it at the time, three years before gay marriage would be legal in Massachusetts, and eight before Connecticut followed suit. Many people associate Cheney more with waterboarding or poorly lit bunkers (or laughing maniacally while waterboarding people in poorly lit bunkers) than with gay rights, but the man has been pretty consistent.

As far as attractiveness, that's always a personal and subjective thing. Personally I've always found Lynn Cheney to be quite hot. And when looking at Michelle straight on, I always have to look twice to make sure she isn't pulling a rickshaw behind her. The woman may be fighting obesity in others, but she needs a handler to run along before her and measure doors to make sure she has hip clearance.

It does scare me there there is ANY political stance in which I agree more with Dick Cheney than Barack Obama.

LOL If it's any consolation, I'm sure the Messiah is also in favor of (or at least not fundamentally opposed to) gay marriage. It's just that Cheney has the balls to say it.

There are two things here. First, Cheney actually is a small government, big personal freedom guy; most current Republican politicians are certifiably not. Second and probably more important, Cheney has a gay daughter. In order for him to embrace for his gay daughter the family values that he professes, he cannot oppose gay marriage. Having a gay child forces a politician to admit there are human costs to not allowing gay marriage.

I can admire even more those Republican politicians with no gay loved ones who nonetheless support gay marriage, taking the political hit, and (to an admittedly lesser extent) those Democrats who oppose gay marriage but live in a state/district with majority support for it, taking the political hit. That is putting principle in front of politics. (I have no gay loved ones, and while I live in an area with nothing near majority support for gay marriage, I pay no price for supporting it.) But I do understand the political benefits of taking an anti-gay marriage stance for a Presidential candidate like Obama, even if that's not a trait I consider admirable. When the electoral map no longer provides a boost for opposing gay marriage, we'll see where candidates really stand.

 

[airdata]

Same as GW Bush.. I'm impressed.. Besides the stupid healtcare thing...

• Follow Orders

• Do what the people who payed to put you in office want.

• Continue the policies of the previous president.

• Await future orders.

 

[BladeVenom]

He's for the RIAA and the MPAA. He's packed the justice department with RIAA lawyers. The FBI and Department of Homeland defense is now doing the bidding of the media MAFIAA.

 

[jonks]

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2009/06/dick_cheney_gay_marriage_pione.html

LOL If it's any consolation, I'm sure the Messiah is also in favor of (or at least not fundamentally opposed to) gay marriage. It's just that Cheney has the balls to say it.

If it wasn't clear I was quoting Obama. I'm expecting a 2nd term flipflop, possibly even while he's running. I don't even think it's that risky looking at recent polls. It might even look courageous. And it's nice that a man with a gay daughter eventually came out and supported gay marriage even if he did absolutely nothing to advance her cause when he was the VICE PRESIDENT OF THE COUNTRY!

 

[werepossum]

If it wasn't clear I was quoting Obama. I'm expecting a 2nd term flipflop, possibly even while he's running. I don't even think it's that risky looking at recent polls. It might even look courageous. And it's nice that a man with a gay daughter eventually came out and supported gay marriage even if he did absolutely nothing to advance her cause when he was the VICE PRESIDENT OF THE COUNTRY!

A politician's wet dream is to have a cause he secretly supports, but can seem courageous by changing his mind and endorsing just as polls change to support it. I too suspect a mid-term flip-flop, and while I think politicians should have the courage of their convictions, I can understand the reticence and denial here until such time as he can safely lead by following. Such is the political animal.

 

[_GTech]

In a word, "Money".

Obviously you don't understand politics, it's about getting paid, just like any other business...

 

[Herr Kutz]

war, corporations, reduced freedoms

 

[Moonbeam]

You don't change your core principals based on "new information" from day to day.

On top of that, my biggest problem is that he will say one thing, do the opposite, and then say another thing as if he never said/did the first thing, and/or claim that he never said/did it at all.

Call it a failure to communicate, but if you step back and look at him, he's looking more and more like a man that, as most of us already understood, is drastically unqualified for the position he is in.

It never occurs to you does it, that you are drastically unqualified to judge. Your truth is that YOU don't change your core illusions based on information. A brick stays a brick.

 

[Moonbeam]

Obama stands for governing from the center.

 

[Matt915]

I don't think he wavers much. That's a profoundly juvenile way to look at the decision making process - there is in fact no great advantage to making early, theatrical pronouncements about policy and then sticking to it no matter what. What good came from "Axis of Evil" talk? Diplomats were left with that much less room to work with to get NK to give up their nuke program. That worked out great.

Information flows in fits and starts. Maybe something comes along that makes the guy say, "Okay, forget holding back - let's go in." And maybe that never happens. That isn't "wavering" - that's treating each situation individually and with the information you've got on hand.

If there is fault in the man's "wavering", it's in failing to better communicate to the electorate why there was no action before there was action. The overabundance of secrecy in politics needs to change.

I think it's more about "wavering" of his core principles; the lens that he acts through. You may get new information day to day, but how you use that information and incorporate it will be driven by your core principles. If you gave Teddy Roosevelt, Andrew Jackson, and Obama the same piece of information, they'd all incorporate that into their policies in a different way. But with the former two there'd be a consistent thread to all their actions. With obama it looks as though he's just trying out new principles and has a new driving direction with his policies on a week to week basis. So instead of the country going in one direction or another, it just sort of goes back and forth like a car rocking back and forth trying to get out of a rut. I actually dislike this version of Obama less than the ultra-prog.-you-need-government-to-babysit-you Obama.

 

[lothar]

See, and when he ran he was just left of center to moderate liberal. I'm furious he's nowhere near as liberal as I'd hoped. Perhaps the fact that he's proven to be right of center is why there's still so many problems. Why is it that in my 30 years the most prosperous time I've seen in this nation was when we had a liberal President, Bill Clinton. How is it people don't yet realize the problems with being conservative?

 

[Matt1970]

Obama is for equal distribution of wealth, or theft, whichever you want to call it.
He voted for the war before he voted against it.
He is for not taking military action without the approval of congress
He is for driving the National debt up 4 Trillion in 2 years while driving unemplyment from 7% to over 10%
He is for bringing the troops home from Iraq in 2009 - 47,000 U.S. Troops in Iraq as of Jan 31, 2011.
He is for closing Guantanamo Bay
He is for Socialized Medicine
He wants to have peacefull talks with evil dictators
He wants to cut the deficit - I still laugh at that one

 

[IronWing]

Obama is for equal distribution of wealth, or theft, whichever you want to call it.
He voted for the war before he voted against it.
He is for not taking military action without the approval of congress
He is for driving the National debt up 4 Trillion in 2 years while driving unemplyment from 7% to over 10%
He is for bringing the troops home from Iraq in 2009 - 47,000 U.S. Troops in Iraq as of Jan 31, 2011.
He is for closing Guantanamo Bay
He is for Socialized Medicine
He wants to have peacefull talks with evil dictators
He wants to cut the deficit - I still laugh at that one

You're stuck on candidate Obama. We're discussing President Obama, the center-right, corporatist stooge.