So THIS is why I hate Notre Dame... thanks for reminding me...

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Lets see you throw away most of their multi-conference rivalries that have been going on for years now just to play teams just as good as the ones they already play anyway, sprinkled in with teams that are equally as bad as the ones they play as well.

Their great rivalries....like the grand tour of the service academies? Notre Dame has beaten Navy 41+ straight times, right? That's no longer a rivalry...that's a gimme. Take this year for example, ND played two good teams (USC & Michigan) and got decimated in both of them. I can see why they won't join a conference...they'd be exposed early & often in a conference instead of waiting to get bombed in a bowl game.

Those are their rivalry games though, they took USC to the wire last year and they even beat Michigan when they were ranked #3, it's not like they always get they clock-cleaned but those teams every year. Navy used to be even better then Notre Dame too ya know, thats when they were big rivals and now they simply don't want to drop that game from their schedule, which I have no problem with.

Georgia Tech is no slouch either, and Michigan St. is good when they're not blowing games, also Air Force has good teams from time to time. You can't look at one year when ND doesn't beat 2 of the top 3 teams overall and say they are a joke. Their offense IS very good and their defense IS lack-luster, but to call them a fraud is haterism at its best. Brady Quinn just broke 30-some school passing records and manufactured 2 game-winning 4th quarter drives this year, why wouldn't you want them to play in your bowl game?

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: amish
ok, what conference would they join???

there is no way that they would join the Big 10 as there are too many good teams there already. *throws flamebait* the big ea(sy)st?

They are too scared to join the Big East because there wouldn't be any guarantee they would win every year. They were offered a spot when VT and Miami were there and they declined. S is for s-c-a-r-e-d.

They declined because they would be losing tons of money. To Universities football isnt about the game its about the money it generates.

Yeah that too. ND wanted monetary guarantees from the Big East that just wasn't gonna happen combined with the fact that ND would have to face real competition. It's like if they paid Lennox Lewis $25,000 to come out of retirement and fight Klitschko... why would he risk tarnishing his legacy (and getting knocked out) for -100X what he used to make?

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
What a joke.. ok OP, so you hate Norte Dame because of a rule they didn't make, that makes a lot of sense. Lets see what you would do as the director of athletics at Notre Dame. Lets see you turn your back on a multi-billion dollar TV contract with NBC that gets almost all your games nationally televised. Lets see you go back on the history of the school, a history you know they will always hold on to, just to appease the petty little haters like yourself who want them to be in a conference. Lets see you throw away most of their multi-conference rivalries that have been going on for years now just to play teams just as good as the ones they already play anyway, sprinkled in with teams that are equally as bad as the ones they play as well.

This is ridiculous, Notre Dame doesn't have to join anywhere if they don't want to. The BCS should be your main gripe, but of course you interject that hatred to ND like everyone else. Do I agree with the rule? No, not really, but as long as ND plays by the rules they can do whatever the hell they want to make money, get recruits, and look nice enough for someone to want their sucker fans to spend all their money watching their overrated team lose again in their BCS bowl game.

Fixed

Yeah I agree, I wouldn't want to lose all that $$ either. But eventually the contract will end, and they'll have to deal with being the biggest laughingstock in America even after getting great recruits year in and year out.

It wasnt to long ago that both Texas and USC were sucking it up/laughing stocks, much worse than what ND has been doing. Programs have peaks and valleys.

Another example, just look at FSU and Miami.

However, they should change the rule away from ND, and just put in any Independent thats ranked in the top 8 gets an automatic bid. If Rutgers can pull a micracle out if its ass, you never know what the military schools might do.

Texas, USC, FSU, and Miami have all lost 13 straight Bowls in their history?

 

[msparish]

ND isn't the problem this year. If anything, it's the Big 12/ACC champs that shouldn't be in the BCS this year.

 

[amish]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: amish
ok, what conference would they join???

there is no way that they would join the Big 10 as there are too many good teams there already. *throws flamebait* the big ea(sy)st?

They are too scared to join the Big East because there wouldn't be any guarantee they would win every year. They were offered a spot when VT and Miami were there and they declined. S is for s-c-a-r-e-d.

what is there to be scared of? why did miami leave again? wasn't it because the conference wasn't challenging enough? honestly i hope ND plays louisville in a bowl game so my father-in-law will STFU about brohm or whatever his name is.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: jlbenedict

Originally posted by: Gnrslash4life
Big Ten has been trying to get them for years. Maybe this way they could split the conference into divisions and have a big ten title game.

I posted something similiar to this in conference alignments and what the Big Ten should do:

Originally posted by: jlbenedict
The NCAA needs to do another realignment of the conferences. Move a few teams around, and create conferences where there are two divisions for each conference.

For instance, add another team to the Big Ten, and divide it up. Throw Michigan in the Big Ten "North" Division and Ohio St. in the Big Ten "South" division. The schedule involves playing each team in your division once, and three teams from the other division (alternating schools every two years). That would be 8 division games. Schedule two non-conference games; you then have 10 games, and then each division winner goes to the Big Ten Championship game.
This could help eliminate all the "but we're 11-1 also" garbage. Win your conference championship, then you can talk BCS championship.

If all the conferences were like this, this would be as close to a playoff as you can get; without technically implementing the playoff system.

:thumbsup:

I'd do something like a big 10 east, big 10 west though.

East would be:
Indiana
Purdue
Penn State
OSU
Michigan
Michigan State

West would be:
IL
IA
MN
WI
NW
Possibly ND for parity

The people complaining about having OSU and MI in the same division can just look to TX and OK sharing the same one in B12-South. It does seem like a great solution to a broken system and adds some fairness. B10 is one of the only ones that doesn't do a conference title game.

This is a decent idea.

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Lets see you throw away most of their multi-conference rivalries that have been going on for years now just to play teams just as good as the ones they already play anyway, sprinkled in with teams that are equally as bad as the ones they play as well.

Their great rivalries....like the grand tour of the service academies? Notre Dame has beaten Navy 41+ straight times, right? That's no longer a rivalry...that's a gimme. Take this year for example, ND played two good teams (USC & Michigan) and got decimated in both of them. I can see why they won't join a conference...they'd be exposed early & often in a conference instead of waiting to get bombed in a bowl game.

Those are their rivalry games though, they took USC to the wire last year and they even beat Michigan when they were ranked #3, it's not like they always get they clock-cleaned but those teams every year. Navy used to be even better then Notre Dame too ya know, thats when they were big rivals and now they simply don't want to drop that game from their schedule, which I have no problem with.

Georgia Tech is no slouch either, and Michigan St. is good when they're not blowing games, also Air Force has good teams from time to time. You can't look at one year when ND doesn't beat 2 of the top 3 teams overall and say they are a joke. Their offense IS very good and their defense IS lack-luster, but to call them a fraud is haterism at its best. Brady Quinn just broke 30-some school passing records and manufactured 2 game-winning 4th quarter drives this year, why wouldn't you want them to play in your bowl game?

Wisconsin and auburn, both teams that will be dropped in favor or ND for a bcs bowl are much much better than ND,

their offense will obviously look good if they play army's and navy's of the world. If ND plays in any half decent conference they have at least 4 losses this year

 

[jlbenedict]

Originally posted by: vi_edit

Originally posted by: jlbenedict

Originally posted by: Gnrslash4life
Big Ten has been trying to get them for years. Maybe this way they could split the conference into divisions and have a big ten title game.

I posted something similiar to this in conference alignments and what the Big Ten should do:

Originally posted by: jlbenedict
The NCAA needs to do another realignment of the conferences. Move a few teams around, and create conferences where there are two divisions for each conference.

For instance, add another team to the Big Ten, and divide it up. Throw Michigan in the Big Ten "North" Division and Ohio St. in the Big Ten "South" division. The schedule involves playing each team in your division once, and three teams from the other division (alternating schools every two years). That would be 8 division games. Schedule two non-conference games; you then have 10 games, and then each division winner goes to the Big Ten Championship game.
This could help eliminate all the "but we're 11-1 also" garbage. Win your conference championship, then you can talk BCS championship.

If all the conferences were like this, this would be as close to a playoff as you can get; without technically implementing the playoff system.

:thumbsup:

I'd do something like a big 10 east, big 10 west though.

East would be:
Indiana
Purdue
Penn State
OSU
Michigan
Michigan State

West would be:
IL
IA
MN
WI
NW
Possibly ND for parity

The people complaining about having OSU and MI in the same division can just look to TX and OK sharing the same one in B12-South. It does seem like a great solution to a broken system and adds some fairness. B10 is one of the only ones that doesn't do a conference title game.

Yep.. It is fair. The bowl sponsers still get their post season bowls. All conferences have a "championship week" with the conference championship game. The BCS and conferences still have their bowl tie-ins, pending that you win your conference championship.

If you are an Independent, stop crying; join a conference.

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Lets see you throw away most of their multi-conference rivalries that have been going on for years now just to play teams just as good as the ones they already play anyway, sprinkled in with teams that are equally as bad as the ones they play as well.

Their great rivalries....like the grand tour of the service academies? Notre Dame has beaten Navy 41+ straight times, right? That's no longer a rivalry...that's a gimme. Take this year for example, ND played two good teams (USC & Michigan) and got decimated in both of them. I can see why they won't join a conference...they'd be exposed early & often in a conference instead of waiting to get bombed in a bowl game.

Those are their rivalry games though, they took USC to the wire last year and they even beat Michigan when they were ranked #3, it's not like they always get they clock-cleaned but those teams every year. Navy used to be even better then Notre Dame too ya know, thats when they were big rivals and now they simply don't want to drop that game from their schedule, which I have no problem with.

Georgia Tech is no slouch either, and Michigan St. is good when they're not blowing games, also Air Force has good teams from time to time. You can't look at one year when ND doesn't beat 2 of the top 3 teams overall and say they are a joke. Their offense IS very good and their defense IS lack-luster, but to call them a fraud is haterism at its best. Brady Quinn just broke 30-some school passing records and manufactured 2 game-winning 4th quarter drives this year, why wouldn't you want them to play in your bowl game?

Wisconsin and auburn, both teams that will be dropped in favor or ND for a bcs bowl are much much better than ND,

their offense will obviously look good if they play army's and navy's of the world. If ND plays in any half decent conference they have at least 4 losses this year

Wisc and Auburn wont be dropped because of ND but because there are 2 teams in their conf. ahead of them. Only 2 from any conf can get in the BCS.

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Lets see you throw away most of their multi-conference rivalries that have been going on for years now just to play teams just as good as the ones they already play anyway, sprinkled in with teams that are equally as bad as the ones they play as well.

Their great rivalries....like the grand tour of the service academies? Notre Dame has beaten Navy 41+ straight times, right? That's no longer a rivalry...that's a gimme. Take this year for example, ND played two good teams (USC & Michigan) and got decimated in both of them. I can see why they won't join a conference...they'd be exposed early & often in a conference instead of waiting to get bombed in a bowl game.

Those are their rivalry games though, they took USC to the wire last year and they even beat Michigan when they were ranked #3, it's not like they always get they clock-cleaned but those teams every year. Navy used to be even better then Notre Dame too ya know, thats when they were big rivals and now they simply don't want to drop that game from their schedule, which I have no problem with.

Georgia Tech is no slouch either, and Michigan St. is good when they're not blowing games, also Air Force has good teams from time to time. You can't look at one year when ND doesn't beat 2 of the top 3 teams overall and say they are a joke. Their offense IS very good and their defense IS lack-luster, but to call them a fraud is haterism at its best. Brady Quinn just broke 30-some school passing records and manufactured 2 game-winning 4th quarter drives this year, why wouldn't you want them to play in your bowl game?

Wisconsin and auburn, both teams that will be dropped in favor or ND for a bcs bowl are much much better than ND,

their offense will obviously look good if they play army's and navy's of the world. If ND plays in any half decent conference they have at least 4 losses this year

Wisc and Auburn wont be dropped because of ND but because there are 2 teams in their conf. ahead of them. Only 2 from any conf can get in the BCS.

I understand that rule, I was saying there are teams out there that are better than ND a which played a better schedule and have 2 losses like ND has

 

[Stuxnet]

My work here is done.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: amish
ok, what conference would they join???

there is no way that they would join the Big 10 as there are too many good teams there already. *throws flamebait* the big ea(sy)st?

They are too scared to join the Big East because there wouldn't be any guarantee they would win every year. They were offered a spot when VT and Miami were there and they declined. S is for s-c-a-r-e-d.

They declined because they would be losing tons of money. To Universities football isnt about the game its about the money it generates.

Yeah that too. ND wanted monetary guarantees from the Big East that just wasn't gonna happen combined with the fact that ND would have to face real competition. It's like if they paid Lennox Lewis $25,000 to come out of retirement and fight Klitschko... why would he risk tarnishing his legacy (and getting knocked out) for -100X what he used to make?

Face real competition?

They face USC and Michigan every year. They constitently play harder schedules than most major teams. Quit trying to make the big east into a powerhouse. They are not. ND has played better teams than any Big East team.

They play Big 10 teams, Pac 10 teams, ACC teams. They start playing Big East teams in '08, and they've got OU somewhere down the line.

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: amish
ok, what conference would they join???

there is no way that they would join the Big 10 as there are too many good teams there already. *throws flamebait* the big ea(sy)st?

They are too scared to join the Big East because there wouldn't be any guarantee they would win every year. They were offered a spot when VT and Miami were there and they declined. S is for s-c-a-r-e-d.

They declined because they would be losing tons of money. To Universities football isnt about the game its about the money it generates.

Yeah that too. ND wanted monetary guarantees from the Big East that just wasn't gonna happen combined with the fact that ND would have to face real competition. It's like if they paid Lennox Lewis $25,000 to come out of retirement and fight Klitschko... why would he risk tarnishing his legacy (and getting knocked out) for -100X what he used to make?

Face real competition?

They face USC and Michigan every year. They constitently play harder schedules than most major teams. Quit trying to make the big east into a powerhouse. They are not. ND has played better teams than any Big East team.

They play Big 10 teams, Pac 10 teams, ACC teams. They start playing Big East teams in '08, and they've got OU somewhere down the line.

How about beat real comp? Just cause ND plays USC and Mich doesn't make them good. They need to at least show up when they play and not get used.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: amish
ok, what conference would they join???

there is no way that they would join the Big 10 as there are too many good teams there already. *throws flamebait* the big ea(sy)st?

They are too scared to join the Big East because there wouldn't be any guarantee they would win every year. They were offered a spot when VT and Miami were there and they declined. S is for s-c-a-r-e-d.

They declined because they would be losing tons of money. To Universities football isnt about the game its about the money it generates.

Yeah that too. ND wanted monetary guarantees from the Big East that just wasn't gonna happen combined with the fact that ND would have to face real competition. It's like if they paid Lennox Lewis $25,000 to come out of retirement and fight Klitschko... why would he risk tarnishing his legacy (and getting knocked out) for -100X what he used to make?

Face real competition?

They face USC and Michigan every year. They constitently play harder schedules than most major teams. Quit trying to make the big east into a powerhouse. They are not. ND has played better teams than any Big East team.

They play Big 10 teams, Pac 10 teams, ACC teams. They start playing Big East teams in '08, and they've got OU somewhere down the line.

How about beat real comp? Just cause ND plays USC and Mich doesn't make them good. They need to at least show up when they play and not get used.

OMG.. they beat Michigan and took USC to the wire, losing on an illegal play... did they not show up enough for you last year? :roll:

I swear to god ND haters come up with the most asinine arguments.

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: SP33Demon


Face real competition?

They face USC and Michigan every year. They constitently play harder schedules than most major teams. Quit trying to make the big east into a powerhouse. They are not. ND has played better teams than any Big East team.

They play Big 10 teams, Pac 10 teams, ACC teams. They start playing Big East teams in '08, and they've got OU somewhere down the line.

How about beat real comp? Just cause ND plays USC and Mich doesn't make them good. They need to at least show up when they play and not get used.

OMG.. they beat Michigan and took USC to the wire, losing on an illegal play... did they not show up enough for you last year? :roll:

I swear to god ND haters come up with the most asinine arguments.

Sorry I thought we were discussing this season :roll: Can you really say that they were competitive w/ USC and Mich this season? Domers need to quit living in the past.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
What a joke.. ok OP, so you hate Norte Dame because of a rule they didn't make, that makes a lot of sense. Lets see what you would do as the director of athletics at Notre Dame. Lets see you turn your back on a multi-billion dollar TV contract with NBC that gets almost all your games nationally televised. Lets see you go back on the history of the school, a history you know they will always hold on to, just to appease the petty little haters like yourself who want them to be in a conference. Lets see you throw away most of their multi-conference rivalries that have been going on for years now just to play teams just as good as the ones they already play anyway, sprinkled in with teams that are equally as bad as the ones they play as well.

This is ridiculous, Notre Dame doesn't have to join anywhere if they don't want to. The BCS should be your main gripe, but of course you interject that hatred to ND like everyone else. Do I agree with the rule? No, not really, but as long as ND plays by the rules they can do whatever the hell they want to make money, get recruits, and look nice enough for someone to want their sucker fans to spend all their money watching their overrated team lose again in their BCS bowl game.

Fixed

Yeah I agree, I wouldn't want to lose all that $$ either. But eventually the contract will end, and they'll have to deal with being the biggest laughingstock in America even after getting great recruits year in and year out.

It wasnt to long ago that both Texas and USC were sucking it up/laughing stocks, much worse than what ND has been doing. Programs have peaks and valleys.

Another example, just look at FSU and Miami.

However, they should change the rule away from ND, and just put in any Independent thats ranked in the top 8 gets an automatic bid. If Rutgers can pull a micracle out if its ass, you never know what the military schools might do.

Texas, USC, FSU, and Miami have all lost 13 straight Bowls in their history?

Uh they havent lost 13 straight IIRC its only 8. Now they havent won a bowl game since 1993.

Lets see as per the Texas Longhorn website...

Texas
1979 loss
1980 loss
1981 no bowl
1982 win
1983 loss
1984 loss
1985 loss
1986 no bowl
1987 win
1988 no bowl
1989 no bowl
1990 no bowl
1991 loss
1992 no bowl
1993 no bowl
1994 win
1995 loss
1996 no bowl
1997 loss
1998 no bowl
1999 win

lets see in 20 years 4 wins - 8 losses - 8 no appearances.

As for USC before Carroll they had a rough decade as well.

Its more than just your bowl record, its how well you do in the regular season.

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Lets see you throw away most of their multi-conference rivalries that have been going on for years now just to play teams just as good as the ones they already play anyway, sprinkled in with teams that are equally as bad as the ones they play as well.

Their great rivalries....like the grand tour of the service academies? Notre Dame has beaten Navy 41+ straight times, right? That's no longer a rivalry...that's a gimme. Take this year for example, ND played two good teams (USC & Michigan) and got decimated in both of them. I can see why they won't join a conference...they'd be exposed early & often in a conference instead of waiting to get bombed in a bowl game.

Those are their rivalry games though, they took USC to the wire last year and they even beat Michigan when they were ranked #3, it's not like they always get they clock-cleaned but those teams every year. Navy used to be even better then Notre Dame too ya know, thats when they were big rivals and now they simply don't want to drop that game from their schedule, which I have no problem with.

Georgia Tech is no slouch either, and Michigan St. is good when they're not blowing games, also Air Force has good teams from time to time. You can't look at one year when ND doesn't beat 2 of the top 3 teams overall and say they are a joke. Their offense IS very good and their defense IS lack-luster, but to call them a fraud is haterism at its best. Brady Quinn just broke 30-some school passing records and manufactured 2 game-winning 4th quarter drives this year, why wouldn't you want them to play in your bowl game?

1) Yes, I am a ND hater. I freely admit that. I have hated them since I was a child and my hometown was "Notre Dame-this" and "Notre Dame-that" because Lou Holtz was head coach.
2) When's the last time ND won a bowl game?
3) Michigan State blows games...that's nothing new. In fact, it's pretty much expected.
4) Their defense isn't just lackluster, it flat-out sucks.
5) Winning a series 40+ times in a row is not a rivalry anymore.
6) 2 game winning 4th quarter drives? One was against Michigan State, and that team historically invents ways to lose games.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: amish
ok, what conference would they join???

there is no way that they would join the Big 10 as there are too many good teams there already. *throws flamebait* the big ea(sy)st?

They are too scared to join the Big East because there wouldn't be any guarantee they would win every year. They were offered a spot when VT and Miami were there and they declined. S is for s-c-a-r-e-d.

They declined because they would be losing tons of money. To Universities football isnt about the game its about the money it generates.

Yeah that too. ND wanted monetary guarantees from the Big East that just wasn't gonna happen combined with the fact that ND would have to face real competition. It's like if they paid Lennox Lewis $25,000 to come out of retirement and fight Klitschko... why would he risk tarnishing his legacy (and getting knocked out) for -100X what he used to make?

Face real competition?

They face USC and Michigan every year. They constitently play harder schedules than most major teams. Quit trying to make the big east into a powerhouse. They are not. ND has played better teams than any Big East team.

They play Big 10 teams, Pac 10 teams, ACC teams. They start playing Big East teams in '08, and they've got OU somewhere down the line.

How about beat real comp? Just cause ND plays USC and Mich doesn't make them good. They need to at least show up when they play and not get used.

OMG.. they beat Michigan and took USC to the wire, losing on an illegal play... did they not show up enough for you last year? :roll:

I swear to god ND haters come up with the most asinine arguments.

Losing 8 straight Bowl games = laughingstock of America. You can't tell me that getting abused that many times in a row means they deserved to be in those bowls because they play UM and USC?

Edited to 8.

 

[imported_wicka]

Just FYI, Notre Dame is in the Big East, just not for football.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: amish
ok, what conference would they join???

there is no way that they would join the Big 10 as there are too many good teams there already. *throws flamebait* the big ea(sy)st?

They are too scared to join the Big East because there wouldn't be any guarantee they would win every year. They were offered a spot when VT and Miami were there and they declined. S is for s-c-a-r-e-d.

They declined because they would be losing tons of money. To Universities football isnt about the game its about the money it generates.

Yeah that too. ND wanted monetary guarantees from the Big East that just wasn't gonna happen combined with the fact that ND would have to face real competition. It's like if they paid Lennox Lewis $25,000 to come out of retirement and fight Klitschko... why would he risk tarnishing his legacy (and getting knocked out) for -100X what he used to make?

Face real competition?

They face USC and Michigan every year. They constitently play harder schedules than most major teams. Quit trying to make the big east into a powerhouse. They are not. ND has played better teams than any Big East team.

They play Big 10 teams, Pac 10 teams, ACC teams. They start playing Big East teams in '08, and they've got OU somewhere down the line.

How about beat real comp? Just cause ND plays USC and Mich doesn't make them good. They need to at least show up when they play and not get used.

Last I checked Notre Dame has beaten USC before, Michigan too.

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: amish
ok, what conference would they join???

there is no way that they would join the Big 10 as there are too many good teams there already. *throws flamebait* the big ea(sy)st?

They are too scared to join the Big East because there wouldn't be any guarantee they would win every year. They were offered a spot when VT and Miami were there and they declined. S is for s-c-a-r-e-d.

They declined because they would be losing tons of money. To Universities football isnt about the game its about the money it generates.

Yeah that too. ND wanted monetary guarantees from the Big East that just wasn't gonna happen combined with the fact that ND would have to face real competition. It's like if they paid Lennox Lewis $25,000 to come out of retirement and fight Klitschko... why would he risk tarnishing his legacy (and getting knocked out) for -100X what he used to make?

Face real competition?

They face USC and Michigan every year. They constitently play harder schedules than most major teams. Quit trying to make the big east into a powerhouse. They are not. ND has played better teams than any Big East team.

They play Big 10 teams, Pac 10 teams, ACC teams. They start playing Big East teams in '08, and they've got OU somewhere down the line.

How about beat real comp? Just cause ND plays USC and Mich doesn't make them good. They need to at least show up when they play and not get used.

OMG.. they beat Michigan and took USC to the wire, losing on an illegal play... did they not show up enough for you last year? :roll:

I swear to god ND haters come up with the most asinine arguments.

Last year they beat a 7-5 Michigan and gave up 60 yards on a 4th and 9 and got owned in the fiesta bowl by Ohio State, what was your argument again

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: amish
ok, what conference would they join???

there is no way that they would join the Big 10 as there are too many good teams there already. *throws flamebait* the big ea(sy)st?

They are too scared to join the Big East because there wouldn't be any guarantee they would win every year. They were offered a spot when VT and Miami were there and they declined. S is for s-c-a-r-e-d.

They declined because they would be losing tons of money. To Universities football isnt about the game its about the money it generates.

Yeah that too. ND wanted monetary guarantees from the Big East that just wasn't gonna happen combined with the fact that ND would have to face real competition. It's like if they paid Lennox Lewis $25,000 to come out of retirement and fight Klitschko... why would he risk tarnishing his legacy (and getting knocked out) for -100X what he used to make?

Face real competition?

They face USC and Michigan every year. They constitently play harder schedules than most major teams. Quit trying to make the big east into a powerhouse. They are not. ND has played better teams than any Big East team.

They play Big 10 teams, Pac 10 teams, ACC teams. They start playing Big East teams in '08, and they've got OU somewhere down the line.

How about beat real comp? Just cause ND plays USC and Mich doesn't make them good. They need to at least show up when they play and not get used.

OMG.. they beat Michigan and took USC to the wire, losing on an illegal play... did they not show up enough for you last year? :roll:

I swear to god ND haters come up with the most asinine arguments.

Losing 13 straight Bowl games = laughingstock of America. You can't tell me that getting abused that many times in a row means they deserved to be in those bowls because they play UM and USC?

Uh, quit saying 13 straight bowl games, they havent played in 13 straight bowl games. They've lost 8 in a row.

ND is 13-14 all time in bowl games. Texas BTW is 22-21-2. USC is 21-9. OSU is 18-19. Michigan is 18-19.

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Losing 13 straight Bowl games = laughingstock of America. You can't tell me that getting abused that many times in a row means they deserved to be in those bowls because they play UM and USC?

Uh, quit saying 13 straight bowl games, they havent played in 13 straight bowl games. They've lost 8 in a row.

Ok, they haven't won a bowl game in 13 years. Better?

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
What a joke.. ok OP, so you hate Norte Dame because of a rule they didn't make, that makes a lot of sense. Lets see what you would do as the director of athletics at Notre Dame. Lets see you turn your back on a multi-billion dollar TV contract with NBC that gets almost all your games nationally televised. Lets see you go back on the history of the school, a history you know they will always hold on to, just to appease the petty little haters like yourself who want them to be in a conference. Lets see you throw away most of their multi-conference rivalries that have been going on for years now just to play teams just as good as the ones they already play anyway, sprinkled in with teams that are equally as bad as the ones they play as well.

This is ridiculous, Notre Dame doesn't have to join anywhere if they don't want to. The BCS should be your main gripe, but of course you interject that hatred to ND like everyone else. Do I agree with the rule? No, not really, but as long as ND plays by the rules they can do whatever the hell they want to make money, get recruits, and look nice enough for someone to want their sucker fans to spend all their money watching their overrated team lose again in their BCS bowl game.

Fixed

Yeah I agree, I wouldn't want to lose all that $$ either. But eventually the contract will end, and they'll have to deal with being the biggest laughingstock in America even after getting great recruits year in and year out.

It wasnt to long ago that both Texas and USC were sucking it up/laughing stocks, much worse than what ND has been doing. Programs have peaks and valleys.

Another example, just look at FSU and Miami.

However, they should change the rule away from ND, and just put in any Independent thats ranked in the top 8 gets an automatic bid. If Rutgers can pull a micracle out if its ass, you never know what the military schools might do.

Texas, USC, FSU, and Miami have all lost 13 straight Bowls in their history?

Uh they havent lost 13 straight IIRC its only 8. Now they havent won a bowl game since 1993.

Lets see as per the Texas Longhorn website...

Texas
1979 loss
1980 loss
1981 no bowl
1982 win
1983 loss
1984 loss
1985 loss
1986 no bowl
1987 win
1988 no bowl
1989 no bowl
1990 no bowl
1991 loss
1992 no bowl
1993 no bowl
1994 win
1995 loss
1996 no bowl
1997 loss
1998 no bowl
1999 win

lets see in 20 years 4 wins - 8 losses - 8 no appearances.

As for USC before Carroll they had a rough decade as well.

Its more than just your bowl record, its how well you do in the regular season.

Yeah it's the last 8, I just looked it up. 8 losses in a row? I don't recall Texas, USC, FSU, or Miami having that type of performance in the past 30 or so years even. While I agree the regular season is important, if you can't win the big game then you will always be remembered as the good team who could never win it all (Yankees are getting there with 6 straight years of not winning the big one), i.e. see "choke" in the dictionary.

 

[JasonCoder]

You'd think they'd be getting tired of getting paid to lose games (BCS loser payout probably better than some other bowl's winner payout) and want to win one once in a while.