So THIS is why I hate Notre Dame... thanks for reminding me...

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: JasonCoder
You'd think they'd be getting tired of getting paid to lose games (BCS loser payout probably better than some other bowl's winner payout) and want to win one once in a while.

~70% of the money in bowl games are tied to the BCS games. A BCS payout is two to three times as much as the next best bowl payout.

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: JasonCoder
You'd think they'd be getting tired of getting paid to lose games (BCS loser payout probably better than some other bowl's winner payout) and want to win one once in a while.

91% of the money in bowl games are tied to the BCS games.

So better to get smoked but still get paid than to actually win the game?

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: JasonCoder
You'd think they'd be getting tired of getting paid to lose games (BCS loser payout probably better than some other bowl's winner payout) and want to win one once in a while.

91% of the money in bowl games are tied to the BCS games.

So better to get smoked but still get paid than to actually win the game?

In the eyes of college administrators? Yes. Football supports all other Division I athletic programs, except Basketball at some institutitions.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: JasonCoder
You'd think they'd be getting tired of getting paid to lose games (BCS loser payout probably better than some other bowl's winner payout) and want to win one once in a while.

91% of the money in bowl games are tied to the BCS games.

So better to get smoked but still get paid than to actually win the game?

In the eyes of college administrators? Yes. Football supports all other Division I athletic programs, except Basketball at some institutitions.

If ND loses their 9th bowl in a row this year, I don't think there will be many domers that agree with you.

 

[BrokenVisage]

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: amish
ok, what conference would they join???

there is no way that they would join the Big 10 as there are too many good teams there already. *throws flamebait* the big ea(sy)st?

They are too scared to join the Big East because there wouldn't be any guarantee they would win every year. They were offered a spot when VT and Miami were there and they declined. S is for s-c-a-r-e-d.

They declined because they would be losing tons of money. To Universities football isnt about the game its about the money it generates.

Yeah that too. ND wanted monetary guarantees from the Big East that just wasn't gonna happen combined with the fact that ND would have to face real competition. It's like if they paid Lennox Lewis $25,000 to come out of retirement and fight Klitschko... why would he risk tarnishing his legacy (and getting knocked out) for -100X what he used to make?

Face real competition?

They face USC and Michigan every year. They constitently play harder schedules than most major teams. Quit trying to make the big east into a powerhouse. They are not. ND has played better teams than any Big East team.

They play Big 10 teams, Pac 10 teams, ACC teams. They start playing Big East teams in '08, and they've got OU somewhere down the line.

How about beat real comp? Just cause ND plays USC and Mich doesn't make them good. They need to at least show up when they play and not get used.

OMG.. they beat Michigan and took USC to the wire, losing on an illegal play... did they not show up enough for you last year? :roll:

I swear to god ND haters come up with the most asinine arguments.

Last year they beat a 7-5 Michigan and gave up 60 yards on a 4th and 9 and got owned in the fiesta bowl by Ohio State, what was your argument again

1) They beat the #3 team at the time in Michigan, downplay that all you want but they probably caused that Michigan team to collapse after beating them IN Ann Arbor.

2) They gave up a big play on 4th and long after scoring on an impressive comeback drive to take the lead.. props to the QB for finding his man.. but then they stopped him from scoring at the goal line only to be pushed in illegally.

3) Ohio St, with pretty much the same offense squad, is the best team in the country this year. I'd say getting beat handily by this years best team isn't exactly fraudulent, it's expected.

There's my argument you hapless hater..

 

[JasonCoder]

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: JasonCoder
You'd think they'd be getting tired of getting paid to lose games (BCS loser payout probably better than some other bowl's winner payout) and want to win one once in a while.

91% of the money in bowl games are tied to the BCS games.

So better to get smoked but still get paid than to actually win the game?

In the eyes of college administrators? Yes. Football supports all other Division I athletic programs, except Basketball at some institutitions.

If ND loses their 9th bowl in a row this year, I don't think there will be many domers that agree with you.

The classic fans vs. administration. Fans are upset while the prez is counting all the BCS and NBC money.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: kalster
Last year they beat a 7-5 Michigan and gave up 60 yards on a 4th and 9 and got owned in the fiesta bowl by Ohio State, what was your argument again

Ahhh... such fond memories.

I relished every moment of that snot-kicking game .

As an OSU lifer, I at least respect UM's program (minus Carr)...

 

[Thraxen]

Originally posted by: Wreckem
In the eyes of college administrators? Yes. Football supports all other Division I athletic programs, except Basketball at some institutitions.

You may be right, but I don't think that's the issue. I think the real problem is they will get in to the BCS and collect the money that another more deserving team should be collecting. I personally don't hate ND nor am I going to say they are a horrible team, because they aren't. But they do get to go to bigger bowls than they often derserve. Which may be great if you are a ND fan, but screws another team... which is likely why so many people hate them.

 

[JasonCoder]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: kalster
Last year they beat a 7-5 Michigan and gave up 60 yards on a 4th and 9 and got owned in the fiesta bowl by Ohio State, what was your argument again

Ahhh... such fond memories.

I relished every moment of that snot-kicking game .

As an OSU lifer, I at least respect UM's program (minus Carr)...

As a card carrying buckeye I respect the team except for Hart. Dude has a mouth problem about teams that rolled his defense. Sometimes I feel sorry for LLLlllloyd. But not often.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: JasonCoder

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: kalster
Last year they beat a 7-5 Michigan and gave up 60 yards on a 4th and 9 and got owned in the fiesta bowl by Ohio State, what was your argument again

Ahhh... such fond memories.

I relished every moment of that snot-kicking game .

As an OSU lifer, I at least respect UM's program (minus Carr)...

As a card carrying buckeye I respect the team except for Hart. Dude has a mouth problem about teams that rolled his defense. Sometimes I feel sorry for LLLlllloyd. But not often.

I agree. Hart is what happens when a coach like Carr rubs off on a kid.

 

[sciencewhiz]

Originally posted by: dullard
I've made those same comments myself. No team, not even Notre Dame should be given rules specifically for that team alone, and which do not apply to any other team.

BCS rule #4.

I submit that we drop rule #4, skip over the good but not great Notre Dame team for all bowls, and let them stay out of all bowl games as punishment until they decide to join a conference like almost all of the rest of the schools.

You could drop rule #4, and Notre Dame would still be in a BCS bowl every year that they were eligible as an at large team. Notre Dame = $$$.

 

[brandonbull]

ND is on the BCS selection committee

 

[rgwalt]

Originally posted by: Feldenak

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
Lets see you throw away most of their multi-conference rivalries that have been going on for years now just to play teams just as good as the ones they already play anyway, sprinkled in with teams that are equally as bad as the ones they play as well.

Their great rivalries....like the grand tour of the service academies? Notre Dame has beaten Navy 41+ straight times, right? That's no longer a rivalry...that's a gimme. Take this year for example, ND played two good teams (USC & Michigan) and got decimated in both of them. I can see why they won't join a conference...they'd be exposed early & often in a conference instead of waiting to get bombed in a bowl game.

ND keeps playing Navy as long as Navy wants to play the Irish. Do you think that the Irish would keep Navy on their schedule for a "gimmie"? Seriously. ND keeps Navy on the schedule because the Naval ROTC program kept ND afloat in WWII. Without that program ND would have closed its doors due to lack of enrollment.

Also, bitch about ND all you want, but it is the fault of the BCS and the people that choose the bowls. It isn't like Weiss or Father John has a gun to the head of the Sugar Bowl officals. Notre Dame is invited over Auburn and Wisconsin because ND will attract a much larger NATIONAL audience. There are ND fans (alums and non-alums alike) all over the country who will tune in for that game, and ND fans travel.

ND will never volunteer to join a conference. It isn't currently in their best interests. Don't hate ND, hate the system.

R

 

[mpitts]

Here are my thoughts on Notre Dame and bowl games (which I cut and pasted from my web log). I wrote this shortly after ND lost to USC:

So, now that USC has beaten Notre Dame 44-24, the real question becomes:

Who gets drilled harder in their BCS bowl game; Notre Dame or Boise State?

No one even knows the match-ups yet and I am leaning towards Notre Dame.

So what would lead any rational college football fan to this train of thought? Easy. Notre Dame had two difficult games all year. Home vs. Michigan and on the road vs. USC. Aggregate score of said games:

91-45

Yep. 91. 91 f'ing points in the only two games that really mattered on the Irish schedule. They scored 45 points combined in those two games. Michigan hung 47 on them in 60 minutes.

I can't figure out how Notre Dame continues to write their own rule book. Christ, there are stipulations in the BCS that pertain specifically to Notre Dame. If they are in the top 8 of the final BCS rankings, they automatically get an at-large birth. All they have to do is satisfy the BARE MINIMUM requirements set forth by the BCS (9 wins and top 14 in final rankings) and bowl committees can't WAIT to invite them. No one else gets this type of treatment.

But, in typical ass-backwards Division 1-A fashion, it all revolves around money. Notre Dame brings with them a very large (and jaded) fan base. Bowls are all about money, hotel rooms booked, tickets sold and everything that isn't related to how a team played during the season.

That's alright. I will sit back on New Year's Day.. or January 2nd.. or January 4th.. Or whatever the fvck day the BCS games are played on nowadays.. and laugh. I'll laugh because I'll be watching another Notre Dame team that didn't really deserve to play in a prestigious bowl game get drilled. Just like when Oregon State blew them out 34-9 in the 2001 Fiesta Bowl.

Here is a quick fact for you:

Notre Dame has not won a bowl game since 1993.

0-8 in bowl games since 1993. Hard to believe, isn't it?

Unless they play the Marines or Coast Guard in January, it will be 0-9.

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: mpitts

Here is a quick fact for you:

Notre Dame has not won a bowl game since 1993.

0-8 in bowl games since 1993. Hard to believe, isn't it?

Unless they play the Marines or Coast Guard in January, it will be 0-9.

LOL

ND beat one ranked team this year, georgia tech, which is only ranked in ONE poll, 25th! Their schedule was padded with Purdue, North Carolina, Stanford, ARMY(!), NAVY (!), and AIR FORCE(!).

You really have to be a jack ass to be a ND fanboi.

September 2 at Georgia Tech W 14-10 1-0
September 9 Penn State W 41-17 2-0 NBC
September 16 Michigan L 47-21 2-1 NBC
September 23 at Michigan State W 40-37 3-1
September 30 Purdue W 35-21 4-1 NBC
October 7 Stanford W 31-10 5-1 NBC
October 21 UCLA W 20-17 6-1 NBC
October 28 at Navy W 38-14 7-1 CBS
November 4 North Carolina W 45-26 8-1 NBC
November 11 at Air Force W 39-17 9-1 CSTV
November 18 Army W 41-9 10-1 NBC
November 25 at No. 3 USC L 44-24 10-2

 

[chuckywang]

ND = fans = ratings = money = BC$ Bound

 

[mwtgg]

I'm surprised no one's busted out the Cheerios joke.

 

[Wreckem]

This year they didnt recieve the auto bid because they finished 11.

They got in because Wisconsin and Auburn were in conferences that already had 2 teams in BCS games.

If West Virginia didnt choke against South Florida, they would have been BCS bowl bound, not ND.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: SP33Demon

Originally posted by: amish
ok, what conference would they join???

there is no way that they would join the Big 10 as there are too many good teams there already. *throws flamebait* the big ea(sy)st?

They are too scared to join the Big East because there wouldn't be any guarantee they would win every year. They were offered a spot when VT and Miami were there and they declined. S is for s-c-a-r-e-d.

They declined because they would be losing tons of money. To Universities football isnt about the game its about the money it generates.

Yeah that too. ND wanted monetary guarantees from the Big East that just wasn't gonna happen combined with the fact that ND would have to face real competition. It's like if they paid Lennox Lewis $25,000 to come out of retirement and fight Klitschko... why would he risk tarnishing his legacy (and getting knocked out) for -100X what he used to make?

Face real competition?

They face USC and Michigan every year. They constitently play harder schedules than most major teams. Quit trying to make the big east into a powerhouse. They are not. ND has played better teams than any Big East team.

They play Big 10 teams, Pac 10 teams, ACC teams. They start playing Big East teams in '08, and they've got OU somewhere down the line.

How about beat real comp? Just cause ND plays USC and Mich doesn't make them good. They need to at least show up when they play and not get used.

OMG.. they beat Michigan and took USC to the wire, losing on an illegal play... did they not show up enough for you last year? :roll:

I swear to god ND haters come up with the most asinine arguments.

finny...pretrnding to parady ND...your really good!! ND football program is toast!!
My prediction is they will never ever relive the Glory days ever again!!

 

[flxnimprtmscl]

Who cares? The same thing that has been happening for years will continue to happen. Notre Dame gets a bowl berth that they don't deserve and then procedes to get ass raped like a hooker left alone in a room with a bunch of Duke lacrosse players. Same old story. Nothing to see here folks, move along. I personaly enjoy watching them get humiliated every year.