So they finally fired Bobby Knight
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Couldn't happen to a more classy guy eh. But is this for sure? ESPN sometimes announces something that is just a rumour.
Obviously the media is not one for portraying the good sides of someone, rather than focusing on the bad sides of them. In this case, it couldn't be more true. Bobby Knight was a hell of a guy. Aside from numerous problems which have been magnified infinitely by the press, the good things he has done in life far outweigh it. There is a reason why he's been coach of Indiana for nearly 3 decades.
This is the type of guy that treats his players like children of his (he's never been married or had children) which would explain the type of things he does out there. If a father would treat his kids the way Knight treats his players, there would be absolutely no crime in it. Knight is probably the ONLY coach I know of that puts education on top of basketball. He requires his kids to go to class everyday, and highly insists on them staying for four years, which more of them have done with Indiana than most other schools. Can you criticize a guy for making education #1?
During his 30 years, Knight has made endless amounts of road trips out of his own heart to speak at charity/fund-raising events. No one paid him to do this stuff, he would voluntarily do it. And many times, they'd be out of state and he'd be driving 4-5 hours to get there. You try to get Tiger Woods or Michael Jordan to say something without a million dollar contract and you're chances of failing would be much greater than the media being un-biased. This is not to mention the endless amount of times he's visited his future prospects, and explaining to them and their parents what Indiana will offer, education #1, sports #2. There's a reasons so many kids want to head over there, despite all the bad they've heard.
If his players have not gone onto become professional basketball players, they've turned into something else with the education they received at Indiana, whether it'd be an engineer, biologist, etc. Have you EVER heard the media cover THAT side of the story? It's a shame that no one will never know.
If this is indeed true, then Indiana's desire is obviously to please the people and the media out there, rather than to go for what's best for their students, and Bobby Knight. Any school that kills a 30 year legacy over an over hyped 5-second incident which may or may not have happened is not a place I'd want to go (or something bad about them
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This is the type of guy that treats his players like children of his (he's never been married or had children) which would explain the type of things he does out there. If a father would treat his kids the way Knight treats his players, there would be absolutely no crime in it. Knight is probably the ONLY coach I know of that puts education on top of basketball. He requires his kids to go to class everyday, and highly insists on them staying for four years, which more of them have done with Indiana than most other schools. Can you criticize a guy for making education #1?
During his 30 years, Knight has made endless amounts of road trips out of his own heart to speak at charity/fund-raising events. No one paid him to do this stuff, he would voluntarily do it. And many times, they'd be out of state and he'd be driving 4-5 hours to get there. You try to get Tiger Woods or Michael Jordan to say something without a million dollar contract and you're chances of failing would be much greater than the media being un-biased. This is not to mention the endless amount of times he's visited his future prospects, and explaining to them and their parents what Indiana will offer, education #1, sports #2. There's a reasons so many kids want to head over there, despite all the bad they've heard.
If his players have not gone onto become professional basketball players, they've turned into something else with the education they received at Indiana, whether it'd be an engineer, biologist, etc. Have you EVER heard the media cover THAT side of the story? It's a shame that no one will never know.
If this is indeed true, then Indiana's desire is obviously to please the people and the media out there, rather than to go for what's best for their students, and Bobby Knight. Any school that kills a 30 year legacy over an over hyped 5-second incident which may or may not have happened is not a place I'd want to go (or something bad about them
)Nope, because its more fun to talk about him slapping kids or throwing chairs across the basketball court....you seem surprised by this?
i have to agree with you, goldenbear.
also, i don't believe that the allegations against him are true.
also, i don't believe that the allegations against him are true.
<< Nope, because its more fun to talk about him slapping kids or throwing chairs across the basketball court....you seem surprised by this? >>
Eh, not so much surprised as I am dissapointed with Indiana. It certainly was bound to happen with all the events surrounding this. I don't know about anyone else but I sure will miss him. There couldn't be a worst way for him to leave Indiana. I would hope the word gets out somehow of all the good things he's done in his life, and you can see by the way he defends himself that he has pure LOVE for his job and knows no one will be able to do everything he did.
Eh, not so much surprised as I am dissapointed with Indiana. It certainly was bound to happen with all the events surrounding this. I don't know about anyone else but I sure will miss him. There couldn't be a worst way for him to leave Indiana. I would hope the word gets out somehow of all the good things he's done in his life, and you can see by the way he defends himself that he has pure LOVE for his job and knows no one will be able to do everything he did.
<< You try to get Tiger Woods or Michael Jordan to say something without a million dollar contract and you're chances of failing would be much greater than the media being un-biased. >>
Michael Jordon does more for charity then anyone knows. I'll bet you don't know that he is one of the top people in the Make A Wish program. He does this without anyone knowing. I was at the United Center one year and there he was in the middle of the playoffs with this kid in a wheelchair. He must of spent hours with him. Jordon doesn't like to talk about what he does because he's affraid that everyone will come a knockin at his door. He totally downplays all his charitable actions. I don't know about Tiger and if he does anything good.
"During his 30 years, Knight has made endless amounts of road trips out of his own heart to speak at charity/fund-raising events. No one paid him to do this stuff, he would voluntarily do it. And many times, they'd be out of state and he'd be driving 4-5 hours to get there. You try to get Tiger Woods or Michael Jordan to say something without a million dollar contract and you're chances of failing would be much greater than the media being un-biased."
I don't think anyone anywhere has ever denied all the good that Knight has done. I'm not from Indiana, nor am I a Hoosier fan (NC STATE, BABY-didn't you love that game yesterday vs Indiana?), but I have defended Knight to my friends when the media legitimately did him wrong.
HOWEVER.....all the good he has done absolutely DOES NOT make it ok to act the way he does sometimes. His bad behavior is totally unacceptable, and regardless of whether or not Hoosier fans will admit it, winning is the only reason his behavior has been tolerated. Doing good deeds doesn't make up for cursing, hitting, kicking, throwing, and generally misbehaving.
He should have been canned years ago.
I don't think anyone anywhere has ever denied all the good that Knight has done. I'm not from Indiana, nor am I a Hoosier fan (NC STATE, BABY-didn't you love that game yesterday vs Indiana?), but I have defended Knight to my friends when the media legitimately did him wrong.
HOWEVER.....all the good he has done absolutely DOES NOT make it ok to act the way he does sometimes. His bad behavior is totally unacceptable, and regardless of whether or not Hoosier fans will admit it, winning is the only reason his behavior has been tolerated. Doing good deeds doesn't make up for cursing, hitting, kicking, throwing, and generally misbehaving.
He should have been canned years ago.
<< Michael Jordon does more for charity then anyone knows. I'll bet you don't know that he is one of the top people in the Make A Wish program. He does this without anyone knowing. >>
Yeah I just named some names off the top of my head...but with a good number of athletes out there, you try to get their autograph or something, and they would hardly take a glimpse at you.
Yeah I just named some names off the top of my head...but with a good number of athletes out there, you try to get their autograph or something, and they would hardly take a glimpse at you.
I agree with you GoldenBear that alot of the celebrities won't give out autographs. It's a shame to all the fans who adorn these guys. I think the celebs should give out autographs to the kids without hesitation. But I can understand why they don't like to give them out to adults.
uh...what father would choke his kids?
i'm glad the sob got fired...i just wish he stayed on longer
and pulled his BS on some kid that didn't take any BS.
Bobby would've landed in the ER room.
i'm glad the sob got fired...i just wish he stayed on longer
and pulled his BS on some kid that didn't take any BS.
Bobby would've landed in the ER room.
What you have to realize is that a record of doing good deeds does not allow one to commit bad deeds and then expect to get away with it. If a philanthropist raped a woman, would you let him go because of the good he has done in the past? No of course not. Likewise, it seems like this Bobby Knight finally got what was coming to him.
I agree with you GoldenBear that alot of the celebrities won't give out autographs. It's a shame to all the fans who adorn these guys. I think the celebs should give out autographs to the kids without hesitation. But I can understand why they don't like to give them out to adults.
I'm no lover of celebrities here (in fact, I despise most of them), but I can understand their reluctance to give out autographs when they probably get begged for them 100 times each day.
I agree with you GoldenBear that alot of the celebrities won't give out autographs. It's a shame to all the fans who adorn these guys. I think the celebs should give out autographs to the kids without hesitation. But I can understand why they don't like to give them out to adults.
I'm no lover of celebrities here (in fact, I despise most of them), but I can understand their reluctance to give out autographs when they probably get begged for them 100 times each day.
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<< I don't think anyone anywhere has ever denied all the good that Knight has done. >>
Have you heard a story on one of the big national news station say something similar to the stuff I just wrote, about all his good stuff? Obviously if the media isn't going to mention it, no one will know about it. The average guy in his house who watches the news occasionally will think, "what a b*tch, he should be thrown in jail".
<< His bad behavior is totally unacceptable >>
What bad behavior are you referring to exactly? I don't konw about other schools, but my HIGH SCHOOL basketball coach, would NEVER go through a practice without letting out the F word at least a few times, and that was on a good day. Of course it was never directed toward anyone specifically, but it's still the same matter.
<< winning is the only reason his behavior has been tolerated. >>
No really? That's like saying, the only reason we have cars is so we can drive them, otherwise...
There's a reason he wins. That's what makes him such a guy. He teaches his kids about life, which builds character around them allowing to perform well in school as well as in the court. There are hundreds of kids out there who have been under him who have are living their lives right now in good order, and they have Knight to thank for it.
<< I don't think anyone anywhere has ever denied all the good that Knight has done. >>
Have you heard a story on one of the big national news station say something similar to the stuff I just wrote, about all his good stuff? Obviously if the media isn't going to mention it, no one will know about it. The average guy in his house who watches the news occasionally will think, "what a b*tch, he should be thrown in jail".
<< His bad behavior is totally unacceptable >>
What bad behavior are you referring to exactly? I don't konw about other schools, but my HIGH SCHOOL basketball coach, would NEVER go through a practice without letting out the F word at least a few times, and that was on a good day. Of course it was never directed toward anyone specifically, but it's still the same matter.
<< winning is the only reason his behavior has been tolerated. >>
No really? That's like saying, the only reason we have cars is so we can drive them, otherwise...
There's a reason he wins. That's what makes him such a guy. He teaches his kids about life, which builds character around them allowing to perform well in school as well as in the court. There are hundreds of kids out there who have been under him who have are living their lives right now in good order, and they have Knight to thank for it.
<< If a father would treat his kids the way Knight treats his players, there would be absolutely no crime in it. >>
You're kidding, right? In every state I can think of, it IS a crime to lay your hands on your kids in an abusive manner, not to mention it is never okay to choke or abuse your kids. In the community where I live, it is not even acceptable to scream profanities at them. How is physical and emotional abuse okay, for anyone? I may agree with a lot of your points on this issue, but that is not one of them.
the reason alot if stars don't give autographs to people is because many people
turn right around and sell those autographs. even kids do that.
turn right around and sell those autographs. even kids do that.
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<< uh...what father would choke his kids? >>
Did he strangle his player? Did he abuse him in a way that resulted in career threatining injuries? Did the incident traumatize his player for the rest of his life?
If I were a coach and you were one of my players, and you played for one of the finest basketball programs in America, if I were to grab you around the neck because you made a little boo-boo, would you go crying to your mommy?
CyberSax:
<< If a philanthropist raped a woman, would you let him go because of the good he has done in the past? >>
Has Knight ever raped anyone? Bill Clinton has performed as bad of a deed as you can without getting arrested, and where's he now?
<< uh...what father would choke his kids? >>
Did he strangle his player? Did he abuse him in a way that resulted in career threatining injuries? Did the incident traumatize his player for the rest of his life?
If I were a coach and you were one of my players, and you played for one of the finest basketball programs in America, if I were to grab you around the neck because you made a little boo-boo, would you go crying to your mommy?
CyberSax:
<< If a philanthropist raped a woman, would you let him go because of the good he has done in the past? >>
Has Knight ever raped anyone? Bill Clinton has performed as bad of a deed as you can without getting arrested, and where's he now?
<< You're kidding, right? In every state I can think of, it IS a crime to lay your hands on your kids in an abusive manner, not to mention it is never okay to choke or abuse your kids. In the community where I live, it is not even acceptable to scream profanities at them. How is physical and emotional abuse okay, for anyone? I may agree with a lot of your points on this issue, but that is not one of them. >>
The only difference is, the father's actions aren't video taped 24 hours a day. Unless you've seen 100% of all his practices (which I don't think any of can say we've done), you wouldn't be able to make a fair judgement on how he treats his players. And from a court of law standpoint, no kid has been convicted him of beating them to a pulp, or strangling them to death.
The only difference is, the father's actions aren't video taped 24 hours a day. Unless you've seen 100% of all his practices (which I don't think any of can say we've done), you wouldn't be able to make a fair judgement on how he treats his players. And from a court of law standpoint, no kid has been convicted him of beating them to a pulp, or strangling them to death.
<< the reason alot if stars don't give autographs to people is because many people
turn right around and sell those autographs. >>
To actually make money off of selling an autograph you'd need a certificate of authenticity, which costs about $50. And about 60-70% of autographed stuff they sell in stores is non-legit anyhow...
turn right around and sell those autographs. >>
To actually make money off of selling an autograph you'd need a certificate of authenticity, which costs about $50. And about 60-70% of autographed stuff they sell in stores is non-legit anyhow...
<< Read my next post... >>
I did and still see nothing that makes me change my opinion. You say that he thinks of them like his kids, my point remains that no man should treat his kids that way. If you had left it as 'that's the way he treats his players' or something, I can leave that alone. I've never had a coach that didn't swear a blue streak, but my father never would call me any of the names Bobby Knight called his players or his own kid.
I don't think he permanently injured anyone and don't think any of what he did necessarily rises to the level of a criminal offense, but if you have been put in a position where you are required to work with people (not just kids, but people) and you can't control your temper enough to keep your hands off of their necks, you should be in another line of work, regardless of your talent or aptitude. Knight should have spent more time learning how to control himself before he attempted to control his players.
<< Did he strangle his player? Did he abuse him in a way that resulted in career threatining injuries? Did the incident traumatize his player for the rest of his life? >>
I SAW A VIDEO WHERE KINIGHT WAS CHOKING A PLAYER REALLY HARD . There is no excuse for that.
<< If I were a coach and you were one of my players, and you played for one of the finest basketball programs in America, if I were to grab you around the neck because you made a little boo-boo, would you go crying to your mommy? >>
No, if you even tried to choke me, I would kick you so hard in the nuts. I'd do it twice just for good measure...you'd be the one crying to your mommy
<< To actually make money off of selling an autograph you'd need a certificate of authenticity, which costs about $50. And about 60-70% of autographed stuff they sell in stores is non-legit anyhow... >>
I didn't say kids were actually making money off autographs...I'm just saying that
there are a bunch of people that are selling them (and people obviosuly buy them)
with authenticity or not.
Andy anyways, there have been many reports of Certificates of Authenticity
that are fake.
<< And from a court of law standpoint, no kid has been convicted him of beating them to a pulp, or strangling them to death. >>
Uh sir,
the reason Knight isn't behind bars right now for assualt is because no
Indiana District Attorney has the balls to prosecute him. Most DA's are
elected to their position. Knight is obviously a popular figure in Indiana.
I hope you can draw a conclusion from this.
Any normal person that even attempts to choke a person is going to
be prosecuted and will most likely be in jail!
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