So the US spies on their allies...

[Zebo]

/facepalm

Why don't you go to Washington and protest against the government and then go to Cairo and do the same.

Tell me how that all works out for you and if your opinion has changed. Furthermore, by your measure the US is likely more oppressive than North Korea and New Zealand is more oppressive than Saudi Arabia.

Hopefully by this point you've realized what a retarded position that is.

you're only using a very narrow view of freedom with your example. as I say prison tells the whole story

you can add executions too. they are the same pragmatically. which makes Saudi way less free than new zealand. uSA as well since we execute more than anyone too

 

[fskimospy]

lets get this straight...

Egypt's tahrir sqaure..

would equai.......white house lawn... or capitol hill..

do you honestly believe they would EVER LET THAT HAPPEN?

You do not know the geography of Cairo.

lol, it is nothing like the white house lawn. You seriously need to learn what you're talking about.

 

[zanejohnson]

you're only using a very narrow view of freedom with your example. as I say prison tells the whole story

your so full of rightness it almost makes my braingasm..

thank you..

it's so very very simple, yet everyone is oblivious... it's so refreshing to see this.

 

[fskimospy]

you're only using a very narrow view of freedom with your example. as I say prison tells the whole story

Haha, 'you're using a narrow definition of freedom. I will use prison population alone'.

 

[zanejohnson]

You do not know the geography of Cairo.

lol, it is nothing like the white house lawn. You seriously need to learn what you're talking about.

ok, then name me a place we can gather in the streets and successfully get a new government...

 

[unokitty]

Germans Loved Obama. Now They Don’t Trust Him.


Uno

 

[zanejohnson]

Haha, 'you're using a narrow definition of freedom. I will use prison population alone'.

ok use prison population!!!!!

is oppressed not incarcerated????


is incarceration not the definition of oppression???

are people inherently just "different" here??? or is your stupid realization of oppression really at question here?


we could use a million other stats.. percentage of population with direct confrontation with peace officers..

population with peace officers that resulted in incarceration,

population WRONGLY CONVICTED.

 

[Zebo]

this is a country you go to prison for 30 years for making hard alcohol in your home for your own consumption and your trying to argue it's free? what a joke.

USA along with a couple european countires are only places on the planet you have to pay continued rents on property you own

uSA is not even close to free.

 

[Printer Bandit]

Amerika :whiste:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxroiTRg7Tg

 

[Zebo]

Haha, 'you're using a narrow definition of freedom. I will use prison population alone'.

What else? actions speak louder than words. if you imprison more than anyone else you're not up on freedom.

 

[fskimospy]

What else? actions speak louder than words. if you imprison more than anyone else you're not up on freedom.

You know that people actually get together and try to come up with a comprehensive measurement of human freedom instead of your cereal box version, right?

http://www.fraserinstitute.org/research-news/display.aspx?id=19170

(there are lots more too) On none of those is Egypt more free than America.

Again, by your hilarious measure New Zealand is less free than Saudi Arabia. You of course attempted to backtrack when the manifest absurdity of your measure was pointed out to you, and now you're declaring that the 25-odd executions carried out in Saudi Arabia each year make up for the thousands and thousands of extra prisoners, etc. What really happened here is that you started with your conclusion and then searched for evidence instead of the other way around.

Simply put, trying to measure the relative freedom of a country purely by its prison population is stupid. Flat out stupid.

 

[zanejohnson]

this is a country you go to prison for 30 years for making hard alcohol in your home for your own consumption and your trying to argue it's free? what a joke.

USA along with a couple european countires are only places on the planet you have to pay continued rents on property you own

uSA is not even close to free.

you know.. this guy probably doesnt even know about the federal reserve (trick/misconception).......... and why that leads to us paying "rent" on property we "own."

also how it affects ANY AMOUNT OF MONEY WE LEND TO ANOTHER GOVERNMENT. how, all we have to do is lend money to slowly, financially, completely, invade and control the country in which the money was lended. and sometimes, we dont even do it by choice, we FORCE IT down there throats with "government aid," "humanitarian efforts," its disgusting really.

 

[fskimospy]

ok, then name me a place we can gather in the streets and successfully get a new government...

lol. Just a few posts ago you were telling me all about how life is in Egypt, how Tahrir Square was like the White House lawn. Now you're moving the goal posts to that the US needs to actually overthrow its government in order to be as 'free' as Egypt.

Can you tell me some more about how the US is like North Korea? Have you actually even visited the US?

 

[zanejohnson]

What really happened here is that you started with your conclusion and then searched for evidence instead of the other way around.

no sir.

that's exactly what you did. hence why your post ended up at the post number it did, at the end of the thread...

you're not sneaky.

 

[zanejohnson]

lol. Just a few posts ago you were telling me all about how life is in Egypt, how Tahrir Square was like the White House lawn. Now you're moving the goal posts to that the US needs to actually overthrow its government in order to be as 'free' as Egypt.

Can you tell me some more about how the US is like North Korea? Have you actually even visited the US?

once again. see post above.

 

[boxleitnerb]

You realize Germany spies on the US too, right? Are you similarly outraged?

To that extent? I doubt it, but maybe you have more information for me.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

once again. see post above.

So you used to take so many drugs you almost died, then you got "saved" and now you're a conspiracy nutcase?

You "know the truth" and any evidence to the contrary is dismissed as government disinformation.

Chewing that patch really fucked you up for life.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

To that extent? I doubt it, but maybe you have more information for me.

It's fairly well known that all nations do their fair bit of spying when they get a chance.

The UK is certainly no angel when it comes to this, we're just much better at it than the US.

 

[boxleitnerb]

To be honest, I'm most outraged about two things:
The classification of Germany as a "target" (I wonder how sovereign we really are btw, but that is another can of worms...) and the scope of the spying. Someone mentioned espionage by China and the damage it causes the US economy. I wonder how much damage is caused in Germany due to this spying. How can companies conduct business with this extent of surveillance, how can they keep their information safe?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

To be honest, I'm most outraged about two things:
The classification of Germany as a "target" (I wonder how sovereign we really are btw, but that is another can of worms...) and the scope of the spying. Someone mentioned espionage by China and the damage it causes the US economy. I wonder how much damage is caused in Germany due to this spying. How can companies conduct business with this extent of surveillance, how can they keep their information safe?

I think the much bigger issue is the spying on the EU offices and i do believe it has more to do with economics than it does with anything else.

That is simply unacceptable.

 

[IGBT]

so how many billions is your obama going to borrow to give to Africa??

 

[blankslate]

so how many billions is your obama going to borrow to give to Africa??

Don't worry GWB already did that.


As far as the prison population goes a lot of that can also be put directly upon the war on drugs. We could let the non-violent drug offenders out however, the war on drugs has been a money maker.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/19/us/19prisons.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


http://reason.com/archives/2012/04/22/4-industries-getting-rich-off-the-drug-w


e2a
Of course we're spying on other countries even our allies... the rude thing was being stupid enough to get caught, here's a hint don't contract that shit out. Our allies who are spying on us have been polite enough not to get caught in such a way that it makes major news... so far at least.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

so how many billions is your obama going to borrow to give to Africa??

£963 842 485 just to help them reduce CO2 emissions.

Did i make your head explode?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Don't worry GWB already did that.


As far as the prison population goes a lot of that can also be put directly upon the war on drugs. We could let the non-violent drug offenders out however, the war on drugs has been a money maker.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/19/us/19prisons.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0


http://reason.com/archives/2012/04/22/4-industries-getting-rich-off-the-drug-w


e2a
Of course we're spying on other countries even our allies... the rude thing was being stupid enough to get caught, here's a hint don't contract that shit out. Our allies who are spying on us have been polite enough not to get caught in such a way that it makes major news... so far at least.

When allies catch each others spies you will never hear about it.

This is EXTREMELY different though, they spied on the EU offices at a time when trade negotiations are about to start.

Naturally that's not going to happen now.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

When allies catch each others spies you will never hear about it.

This is EXTREMELY different though, they spied on the EU offices at a time when trade negotiations are about to start.

Naturally that's not going to happen now.

GB has got to stop being the US sock puppet too. Seems that there's a bit of quisling going on.