So the US spies on their allies...

[finglobes]

I think a lot of the surveillance isn't about individuals but about businesses. Imagine knowing what businesses are doing and when. This would be ultimate insider trading scam. Personally I think Obama likes these scandals. I think he would like foreign businesses afraid to do biz with US businesses. I think he likes people afraid to form non-profits etc. Its a very wicked admin. Bush set up the FISA courts for "foreign" surveillance. Obama's crew turned it domestic

 

[zanejohnson]

Might want to loosen that tin foil hat there...

orly?

http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/27/o...ns-to-snoop-through-americans-financial-data/

 

[fskimospy]

yes, i am. just we haven't seen a situation yet where they've got to "be it."

we DO, know about the plot to take out the occupy leaders... it's out, it's real, deal with it.

now tell me they wont massacre your ass if you march on the capitol...

i wont be anywhere near that place if something like that happens.. it is NOT a big deal for them to wide out the entire march.. and you know, the way they have the media cartel at there beckon whim... it wont be televised... it'll go underground quick...

Have you ever set foot in Egypt in your entire life? I'm nearly certain the answer is no. You have no idea what their government was like/is like.

The rest of your post is just ignorant and insane paranoia. Seek help. Well, first go seek out some knowledge, then go seek some help.

 

[zanejohnson]

I think a lot of the surveillance isn't about individuals but about businesses. Imagine knowing what businesses are doing and when. This would be ultimate insider trading scam. Personally I think Obama likes these scandals. I think he would like foreign businesses afraid to do biz with US businesses. I think he likes people afraid to form non-profits etc. Its a very wicked admin. Bush set up the FISA courts for "foreign" surveillance. Obama's crew turned it domestic

i think Obama likes that, whatever he does now.. in 30 years, he'll be the "transparent president"

and that's good.... but it's a free ride to clean house at the same time, and still maintain public image of that which he will..

certain underground sources have stated already, basically what we'll see in the last of this presidency, is a model.. to get out of whatever shenanigans you've been up to.... because examples are already in the courty system of ways to circumvent the law, and not go to jail......it's a model.. we are cleaning house, but we're giving a "golden parachute" to all the others who've not been in the intense eye of the judicial system, because those at the very top will get off easy.. use it... use the model.. if your up to no good... use it, get out free, and then move on...

it's really simple.

 

[zanejohnson]

Have you ever set foot in Egypt in your entire life? I'm nearly certain the answer is no. You have no idea what their government was like/is like.

The rest of your post is just ignorant and insane paranoia. Seek help. Well, first go seek out some knowledge, then go seek some help.

hey, have your own opinion, it's sooooooooooo healthy..

 

[dud]

How naive are you/we to NOT believe that every country spies in some form/fashion on every other country? The Chinese steal the equivalent of $300 B from the US in stolen tech each year yet Snowden gets praise for telling everyone what we already knew in the first place?

Come on people ...

 

[Zebo]

Are you seriously attempting to argue that the US government is more oppressive than the Egyptian one?

without a doubt. prison population should tell you that

 

[zanejohnson]

without a doubt. prison population should tell you that

Thank You.

for your non ignorance, thank you.

 

[dud]

without a doubt. prison population should tell you that

What are you smoking?

 

[fskimospy]

hey, have your own opinion, it's sooooooooooo healthy..

I do have my own opinion, one that is likely better informed than yours is. The worst part is that it is quite likely that there's no amount of evidence that will change your opinion.

 

[Zebo]

USA is basically a prison colony compared to rest of the world

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prisoner_population_rate_world_2012_map.png

 

[dud]

USA is basically a prison colony compared to rest of the world

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prisoner_population_rate_world_2012_map.png

OK ...

 

[zanejohnson]

What are you smoking?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_incarceration_rate

 

[zanejohnson]

I do have my own opinion, one that is likely better informed than yours is. The worst part is that it is quite likely that there's no amount of evidence that will change your opinion.

lol and then the prison incarceration percentages roll on it!!!

have a seat boy.

 

[fskimospy]

without a doubt. prison population should tell you that

/facepalm

Why don't you go to Washington and protest against the government and then go to Cairo and do the same.

Tell me how that all works out for you and if your opinion has changed. Furthermore, by your measure the US is likely more oppressive than North Korea and New Zealand is more oppressive than Saudi Arabia.

Hopefully by this point you've realized what a retarded position that is.

 

[zanejohnson]

/facepalm

Why don't you go to Washington and protest against the government and then go to Cairo and do the same.

Tell me how that all works out for you and if your opinion has changed. Furthermore, by your measure the US is likely more oppressive than North Korea and New Zealand is more oppressive than Saudi Arabia.

Hopefully by this point you've realized what a retarded position that is.

wait wait wait.... THEY DID.

they got a new government!!! PEACEFULLY!


ok.. now YOU go try that in DC.... i wont, because i'm not in denial.

and yes! USA IS NORTH KOREA, the same model, is applied there... it's called ISOLATION, to the point that your citizens, are in DENIAL of the ENTIRE WORLD..

that's you.

 

[zanejohnson]

now watch here comes the personal attacks

 

[fskimospy]

wait wait wait.... THEY DID.

they got a new government!!! PEACEFULLY!


ok.. now YOU go try that in DC.... i wont, because i'm not in denial.

http://www.therecord.com/news-story...overnment-protesters-as-egypt-s-crisis-grows/

You're right, so peaceful. What was I thinking.

The US peacefully transferred power 4 times during Mubarak's approximately 30 year long military dictatorship.

 

[StinkyPinky]

THe US is losing its influence in the world and that is something that we all need to address.

Actually, let me expand that. It's the western world in general. The "west" has become soft and complacent and full of people lacking testicular fortitude. This is not just its leaders, but its citizens Hell, I include myself in this. What the hell happened???

 

[fskimospy]

and yes! USA IS NORTH KOREA, the same model, is applied there... it's called ISOLATION, to the point that your citizens, are in DENIAL of the ENTIRE WORLD..

that's you.

I'm sorry, but if you believe that the US is the equivalent of North Korea there is simply no grounds for us to discuss this. We are simply not living on the same planet.

 

[zanejohnson]

http://www.therecord.com/news-story...overnment-protesters-as-egypt-s-crisis-grows/

You're right, so peaceful. What was I thinking.

The US peacefully transferred power 4 times during Mubarak's approximately 30 year long military dictatorship.

yeah that's peaceful.


ever heard of Kent state?

 

[dud]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_incarceration_rate

The "war" on drugs can account for much of that population. If it would make you happy we can legalize all controlled substances ... which will cause their prices to plummet ... which will make these drugs both more affordable for the masses and less attractive to produce. The effects of this policy might well be very painful ... especially if one of you loved ones ODs on these now "legal" substances.

People want what they want even when they are stupid. Read my sig ...

 

[zanejohnson]

lets get this straight...

Egypt's tahrir sqaure..

would equai.......white house lawn... or capitol hill..

do you honestly believe they would EVER LET THAT HAPPEN?

 

[dud]

THe US is losing its influence in the world and that is something that we all need to address.

Actually, let me expand that. It's the western world in general. The "west" has become soft and complacent and full of people lacking testicular fortitude. This is not just its leaders, but its citizens Hell, I include myself in this. What the hell happened???

Read my sig ...

 

[zanejohnson]

The "war" on drugs can account for much of that population. If it would make you happy we can legalize all controlled substances ... which will cause their prices to plummet ... which will make these drugs both more affordable for the masses and less attractive to produce. The effects of this policy might well be very painful ... especially if one of you loved ones ODs on these now "legal" substances.

People want what they want even when they are stupid. Read my sig ...

the 'war on drugs' is part of the oppression we are talking about in this thread..

go get caught with a joint in turkey, or syria, or any other fucking country in the world..

you know what??? you wont. they dont do that, that's oppression to the fullest extent, and a violation of human rights to the utmost pinnacle.