So tell me again, why was Obama so bad?

[bradly1101]

Well, Reagen said the party left him. I for one agree with that. Over the course of time the Democratic party has morphed into this ultra far-left, progressive, nonsensical, quasi-Socialistic party. This is a party that props up black lives matter and shuns police officers. This is a party that uses blacks for their vote and then tosses them to the curb where they can't find a job. Yet I thought the Democratic party was about the working man? This is a party that supports abortion yet says black lives matter. Which is funny because Margaret Sanger created Planned Parenthood to get rid of blacks. This party is so dysfunctional they had to oust Little Debby and then went through like three contenders in a matter of days. Yet the shill sheep in this country don't care, they don't mind. They reap what they sow.

To be fair, the Republicans haven't done shit now that they control both sides of Congress. I'm not a Republican however. I consider myself a staunch Conservative.

You forgot to mention how liberals love the gays. THE GAYS!

 

[bradly1101]

No, but thanks for putting words in my mouth.

Represented to me? Well, how about less taxation rape? How about less regulation? How about the Government just get the hell out of the way for once? Just a few minor things.

You mention regulation. If not for regulation, wouldn't greed force the destruction of health and the environment? Believe it or not you benefit from much regulation, even regulation foisted on the auto industry by RALPH NADER!

 

[Starbuck1975]

Can you be more specific? It seems to me that you're basically describing exactly what Obama did. The stimulus bill was about 1/3rd tax cuts for the exact purpose of 'throwing your opposition a bone'. What was their response? Scorched earth opposition.

The decision to obstruct Obama at every turn was made before he spent a day in office. Comparing him to Reagan doesn't make sense because partisanship so much more extreme now.

Bold investments in infrastructure like the New Deal or Eisenhower highway program. Investments in cities with the greatest wealth disparity. A strengthening of the middle class. A renewed global engagement foreign policy. A path forward on inmigration. Instead we got a half baked health care system, a worstened situation in the ME and a stagnate economy.

 

[Starbuck1975]

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[MongGrel]

Bold investments in infrastructure like the New Deal or Eisenhower highway program. Investments in cities with the greatest wealth disparity. A strengthening of the middle class. A renewed global engagement foreign policy. A path forward on inmigration. Instead we got a half baked health care system, a worstened situation in the ME and a stagnate economy.

You seem to have very little knowledge of how the US government functions.

That and either have not read half the posts just in this thread, or some form of comprehension issue.

 

[Jhhnn]

Bold investments in infrastructure like the New Deal or Eisenhower highway program. Investments in cities with the greatest wealth disparity. A strengthening of the middle class. A renewed global engagement foreign policy. A path forward on inmigration. Instead we got a half baked health care system, a worstened situation in the ME and a stagnate economy.

Like the most obstructionist Repub Congresses in history have nothing to do with any of that. Witness the insulting disservice they've done to Merrick Garland & the institution of the SCOTUS.

Shee-it, Sherlock. They've been screaming Cut! Cut! Cut! in the face of the worst economic collapse since the Great Depression.

 

[fskimospy]

Bold investments in infrastructure like the New Deal or Eisenhower highway program. Investments in cities with the greatest wealth disparity.

So basically the ARRA? Isn't that exactly what he did? It was immediately furiously denounced by Republicans.

A strengthening of the middle class.

What does that mean?

A renewed global engagement foreign policy.

That's exactly what he did. Republicans immediately and furiously denounced it as an 'apology tour', something they are still angry about eight years later.

A path forward on inmigration. Instead we got a half baked health care system, a worstened situation in the ME and a stagnate economy.

He offered a path forward on immigration as well. It was furiously denounced by Republicans. Also, our economy has performed better than almost any industrialized nation after the financial crisis.

He literally did almost everything you just suggested he do in order to 'build momentum'. It didn't work. It was never going to work, because Republicans had already made a choice that scorched earth opposition was their best political move.

This isn't the first time I've seen someone basically say that Obama would have been so much more centrist and things would have gone so much better if only he had tried to enact the very policies he did enact.

 

[TheGardener]

Republicans don't object to spending. They just want those increases to be smaller than the Democrats. When Democrats propose an 8% increase, the Republicans might counter with a 5% increase. Then Democrats cry about Republicans cutting spending.

You should be more concerned about a Libertarian becoming POTUS. But then we know that neither party is going to support that.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Wow, yeah, the Democrats wanted to maintain slavery. The Republican party was created by Lincoln. But you know what? I'm going to bookmark this page because if, that's a big IF Trump makes it in the lefestest will riot. I shit you not. They are in fact the real definition of sore losers.

The Ministry of Truth wants you back in your old rewrite history records job, your (non) knowledge of history will fit right in there.

 

[WHAMPOM]

You don't know history dude. Lincoln created the modern Republican party.

Actually, it was Amos something, but Lincoln is often credited. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States)

And here I thought it was the 1960's Racist Southern Dixiecrats jumping ship over human rights for Blacks that created the modern Republican Party. Who-da thunk!

 

[Jaskalas]

Gawd. Have you forgotten what was happening when he took office?

The subject I replied to is TPP in case you had forgotten.
There's no excuse for him pushing the Republican agenda in TPP except they both answer to the same masters.

 

[Puffnstuff]

For what its work President Obama inherited the mess that the financial crisis of '08 started and there are many different parties to blame for it. This goes beyond just our own government as we are subject to globalism and that will never change. Blame lawmakers from all parties who forced us to become subject to free trade instead of fair trade placing us at the whims of rich business owners who practice social dumping in the name of their own profits.

 

[Sunburn74]

The subject I replied to is TPP in case you had forgotten.
There's no excuse for him pushing the Republican agenda in TPP except they both answer to the same masters.

Honestly I am not informed enough about the TPP to have an opinion. I can only state that prominent economists sharply disagree on whether overall it'll be a good thing for the US or a bad thing.

 

[JSt0rm]

Someone get John Conor some Vaseline. Lmao.

 

[Starbuck1975]

So basically the ARRA? Isn't that exactly what he did? It was immediately furiously denounced by Republicans.

The ARRA relied too heavily on tax relief and not enough on job creation, and I found that even the governance and prioritization of ARRA infrastructure projects got little bang for their buck.

That's exactly what he did. Republicans immediately and furiously denounced it as an 'apology tour', something they are still angry about eight years later.

The Republicans got their asses handed to them after 8 years of failed foreign policy. They were in no position to denounce much of anything. They played chicken with Obama and he blinked.

He literally did almost everything you just suggested he do in order to 'build momentum'. It didn't work. It was never going to work, because Republicans had already made a choice that scorched earth opposition was their best political move.

The opposition party exists to oppose and they did it in an furious and underhanded manner.

Your response to every point I made was essentially Republican obstructionism. That is my point entirely. Obama the candidate never really pivoted to Obama the President, and failed to find his stride or momentum to contend the inevitable obstructionism, especially from the Tea Party. I expected more.

 

[Thebobo]

Hes not so bad, although he just cut NASA's budget, fucker!

 

[boomerang]

You mention regulation. If not for regulation, wouldn't greed force the destruction of health and the environment? Believe it or not you benefit from much regulation, even regulation foisted on the auto industry by RALPH NADER!

Ah, the more is better argument. That's one right out of the playbook.

 

[JSt0rm]

who said more is better? A balance of reasonable and rational regulation is good for all of us.

 

[Vic]

You don't know history dude. Lincoln created the modern Republican party.

Actually, it was Amos something, but Lincoln is often credited. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Party_(United_States)

Lincoln was a liberal. The original Republican party was a liberal party.
It's you who doesn't history here, as usual.

 

[Vic]

He's only a bad President to people that judge him based on results. Those that judge him based on his intentions are very enamored of him.

There is no such thing as failure to Democrats unless a Republican can be blamed. That's evident right here in this thread. This is why there is little sense in listing his failures and shortcomings. Democrats have convinced themselves that they are blameless.

137 days to go.

And the results say that most Americans are better off than they were 8 years ago.
Isn't it odd that the self-labelled "small government" crowd always blames the government when they're losers? Why don't you pull yourself up by your own bootstraps and quit looking to the government to fix your problems?

 

[bradly1101]

Ah, the more is better argument. That's one right out of the playbook.

Huh? Have you seen our rivers? They run black now. Deregulation in some areas is OK to me, like if there are multiple agencies overlapping.

So where would you remove regulations?

 

[Vic]

Bold investments in infrastructure like the New Deal or Eisenhower highway program. Investments in cities with the greatest wealth disparity. A strengthening of the middle class. A renewed global engagement foreign policy. A path forward on inmigration. Instead we got a half baked health care system, a worstened situation in the ME and a stagnate economy.

While I agreed that Obama demonstrated fairly weak leadership throughout his terms of office, it was/is Congress' responsibility to take action on the majority of those issues.

 

[Moonbeam]

So tell me again, why was Obama so bad?

Just because a question is asked does not mean that one is capable of understanding the answer, particularly if one has no internal basis for the proper assimilation of that answer. The answer to many questions, the fact that they are questions in the first place, is often the result of insufficient depth of consciousness, i.e., self realization via self understanding.

On a superficial level, there are all manner of apparently good answers, but psychologically, in order to understand how something or someone can be bad requires an understanding of the meaning of evil.

Most people assume they know what evil is, they are unaware that there is no such thing as evil, that it is a product of human delusion, the duality state, the result of language and thinking, simply concepts we have invented but have no actual reality.

Thought is division and time, it is always of the past or the future. In a true state of awareness there is only the now, the observer and the observed are one and the same thing. There can be no thought in the state of now awareness because thought is the future or the past. Without thought there can be no comparison, no separation into this and that, no notion of one thing being good or evil. There is only love and loves in action.

But we have forgotten that. We have been programmed. We all learned to divide the world with words and names for things, to invent ideas and concepts that we apply to things.

We were taught pain and reward according to our good and bad actions, we were all made to feel bad, and the pain of those experiences would have killed us had we not been able to suppress them.

So here we are, all suffering from the psychosis of amnesia, the feeling of worthlessness buried under the will of the ego to conform and be what is best. We see ourselves as hating evil and loving the good. We do not see our disease. We live in terror that we will remember what happened to us. It is that terror,, that fear that of remembering the pain of our loss of perfection, our belief that we are the evil we fear that is the source of out hate. We seek out evil in the world, we invent it so that we can feel our rage at what happened to us.

This psychological disease, the need to hate the other, the external projection of our own misguided notion of our own evil that people of cunning, politicians and their political strategists for example, gin up for political benefit.

Obama is evil because we are mentally ill.

Of course this obvious fact, owing to what one would have to understand about oneself to appreciate, will not be appreciated at all. Our sleep is very deep. But at least you heard the story, those of you who read this far.

 

[bradly1101]

So tell me again, why was Obama so bad?

Just because a question is asked does not mean that one is capable of understanding the answer, particularly if one has no internal basis for the proper assimilation of that answer. The answer to many questions, the fact that they are questions in the first place, is often the result of insufficient depth of consciousness, i.e., self realization via self understanding.

On a superficial level, there are all manner of apparently good answers, but psychologically, in order to understand how something or someone can be bad requires an understanding of the meaning of evil.

Most people assume they know what evil is, they are unaware that there is no such thing as evil, that it is a product of human delusion, the duality state, the result of language and thinking, simply concepts we have invented but have no actual reality.

Thought is division and time, it is always of the past or the future. In a true state of awareness there is only the now, the observer and the observed are one and the same thing. There can be no thought in the state of now awareness because thought is the future or the past. Without thought there can be no comparison, no separation into this and that, no notion of one thing being good or evil. There is only love and loves in action.

But we have forgotten that. We have been programmed. We all learned to divide the world with words and names for things, to invent ideas and concepts that we apply to things.

We were taught pain and reward according to our good and bad actions, we were all made to feel bad, and the pain of those experiences would have killed us had we not been able to suppress them.

So here we are, all suffering from the psychosis of amnesia, the feeling of worthlessness buried under the will of the ego to conform and be what is best. We see ourselves as hating evil and loving the good. We do not see our disease. We live in terror that we will remember what happened to us. It is that terror,, that fear that of remembering the pain of our loss of perfection, our belief that we are the evil we fear that is the source of out hate. We seek out evil in the world, we invent it so that we can feel our rage at what happened to us.

This psychological disease, the need to hate the other, the external projection of our own misguided notion of our own evil that people of cunning, politicians and their political strategists for example, gin up for political benefit.

Obama is evil because we are mentally ill.

Of course this obvious fact, owing to what one would have to understand about oneself to appreciate, will not be appreciated at all. Our sleep is very deep. But at least you heard the story, those of you who read this far.

That was said so well. We live in duality, but presence is precious. The sleep is indeed very deep and permeates all our actions. Where love does not exist, evil does. Imagine a foreign policy based on love. I know the hate was deep with Bush toward Hussein, after all the Iraqi leader was accused of trying to assassinate his father. Look where that one decision has led us.

We can only live in the present, but staying there can be disorienting for some as the past and future want to intrude as we seek stability, but get anything but.

Wise words Moonbeam.

 

[Starbuck1975]

While I agreed that Obama demonstrated fairly weak leadership throughout his terms of office, it was/is Congress' responsibility to take action on the majority of those issues.

Agreed, and I believe his failure was more in leading his own party than keeping the Republicans in check. In the opening months of the Obama administration, Democrats were bouncing off the walls like kids at a serve yourself frozen yogurt store. The lack of prioritizarion, vision and leadership is what cost them the midterms, snd here we are.