So tell me again, why was Obama so bad?

[bradly1101]

That was an indicator of the quality of the cars they were manufacturing. Honestly I don't know how they continue to exist given their complete inability to match the reliability of Asian cars.

Coincidentally a close friend of mine has a new Ford that seems to spend more time at the shop than with her. Meanwhile I'm tootin' along in my 24 year old Toyota minivan that just keeps going and going...

 

[Jhhnn]

Yes, but the things you mentioned that he should have done were, you know, things he did.

If the whole idea is 'do the same thing, only better', I just don't see much of a basis for criticism. It's so vague that you could say it about literally anything.

I have no idea how you make the opposition follow your agenda when they are only concerned about their own primary voters.

Please. Repubs' greatest concern has been to allow Obama no victories.

 

[bradly1101]

Please. Repubs' greatest concern has been to allow Obama no victories.

They see it as their own victory. Depending on how the election goes, I think Hillary may garner more opposition than Obama did.

 

[Ken g6]

I'll tell you two things I'm unhappy about as a Liberal:

1. Prosecution of the press.
2. Supporting job outsourcing with trade deals like the TPP.

 

[fskimospy]

I'll tell you two things I'm unhappy about as a Liberal:

1. Prosecution of the press.
2. Supporting job outsourcing with trade deals like the TPP.

I dislike the prosecution of the press, but free trade is something we should all support. I find the opposition to the TPP baffling, especially considering it isn't even so much about trade. It seems to have become an ideological totem.

 

[ivwshane]

I dislike the prosecution of the press, but free trade is something we should all support. I find the opposition to the TPP baffling, especially considering it isn't even so much about trade. It seems to have become an ideological totem.

Ask anyone what the TPP is about and it will reveal their ignorance. That's how you know most of the anti TPP talk is simply mindless parroting of propaganda.

 

[bradly1101]

I dislike the prosecution of the press, but free trade is something we should all support. I find the opposition to the TPP baffling, especially considering it isn't even so much about trade. It seems to have become an ideological totem.

Yes the TPP will bring economic and political cooperation (with a little power-play on China). Many see it though as a job killer like NAFTA is seen. We want cheaper things more than we care about jobs I think. And jobs are needed everywhere with our burgeoning, unsustainable population.

 

[Ken g6]

I dislike the prosecution of the press, but free trade is something we should all support. I find the opposition to the TPP baffling, especially considering it isn't even so much about trade. It seems to have become an ideological totem.

Well, most of my problem with the TPP is increased copyright restrictions. I'd rather have everything fall into the Public Domain within 20 years. But I gather that's not popular outside the tech sector, and people think it will cause the USA to lose jobs because too many of our jobs are based on the fantasy of "intellectual property".

 

[bshole]

That's no longer true & hasn't been for decades. That's just another example of the astounding persistence of mistaken belief. Kinda like Obama not being born in Hawaii...

Most reliable in order...
Lexus
Mazda
Toyota
Audi
Subaru

American Manufacturers of note...
GMC stands at 14, Lincoln at 16, Chevrolet at 19, Ford at 24, Jeep at 27 (2nd worst)


From personal experience I will never buy another Ford in my life. I spent almost as much in repairs as I did for the friggin truck. My last car was a Toyota and didn't need a mechanic even once. Put 300k miles on it over 8 years and replaced it with another Toyota which has never seen a mechanic either.

http://www.newsday.com/classifieds/...015-include-lexus-mazda-and-toyota-1.10387053

 

[fskimospy]

I'll be interested to see opinion of Obama five or ten years from now. I think he will be viewed as an excellent president once partisanship is removed from the equation.

 

[emperus]

Most reliable in order...
Lexus
Mazda
Toyota
Audi
Subaru

American Manufacturers of note...
GMC stands at 14, Lincoln at 16, Chevrolet at 19, Ford at 24, Jeep at 27 (2nd worst)


From personal experience I will never buy another Ford in my life. I spent almost as much in repairs as I did for the friggin truck. My last car was a Toyota and didn't need a mechanic even once. Put 300k miles on it over 8 years and replaced it with another Toyota which has never seen a mechanic either.

http://www.newsday.com/classifieds/...015-include-lexus-mazda-and-toyota-1.10387053

A car with 300k miles has had to have some work on it even just changing the brakes. I assume you did it yourself, but that wouldn't be a fair comparison with people who are less mechanically inclined.

 

[shortylickens]

I'll be interested to see opinion of Obama five or ten years from now. I think he will be viewed as an excellent president once partisanship is removed from the equation.

People love Kennedy too, but objectively he was not a good president.
Emotion overtakes logic.

 

[nexus5rocks]

Race relations have been the worst in my 30 years of existence.

 

[bradly1101]

Race relations have been the worst in my 30 years of existence.

I agree (except I lived through the Watts riots and Rodney King in L.A.), and I don't blame Obama, but I do partly blame the reaction to him. People love to hate. It makes them temporarily feel less small. "You mean a (half) black guy is doing better than me?"

 

[Jhhnn]

Uppity foreign born black muslim usurping the the greatest position of white male privilege, the presidency of the US.

And now they want a woman! Oh, the humanity!

 

[bradly1101]

Uppity foreign born black muslim usurping the the greatest position of white male privilege, the presidency of the US.

And now they want a woman! Oh, the humanity!

She's only half female.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I'll be interested to see opinion of Obama five or ten years from now. I think he will be viewed as an excellent president once partisanship is removed from the equation.

Do you think he will score lower or higher than Bill Clinton? Out of curiosity, I read a few polls on Presidential rankings. I was somewhat shocked how high W ranks and how relatively low Bill Clinton ranks. Do you think Obama gets into the first quartile with the likes of Roosevelt, Washington, Truman and Lincoln, or is he hanging out more with Eisenhower, Kennedy and Jackson?

 

[agent00f]

Obama had a mandate and a strong campaign message. He is a brilliant campaigner and speaker but stumbled a bit when he pivoted to President.

He won as a referendum to the Neo Con agenda, with our meddling in the ME being front and center.

I believe he should have gained momentum and goodwill before talking health care. He should have built momentum, took that momentum into the midterm elections to help reshape Congress and then took on health care.

He wasn't bad but hope and change quickly became more of the same

People forget that he campaigned as a centrist. That means he was somewhat conservative, too, even if those sorts are too dumb to see what exists of them in him.

 

[Jhhnn]

Do you think he will score lower or higher than Bill Clinton? Out of curiosity, I read a few polls on Presidential rankings. I was somewhat shocked how high W ranks and how relatively low Bill Clinton ranks. Do you think Obama gets into the first quartile with the likes of Roosevelt, Washington, Truman and Lincoln, or is he hanging out more with Eisenhower, Kennedy and Jackson?

Please. Bill Clinton remains a popular figure today. GWB went into disgrace & hiding. Have you completely forgotten his non-appearance at the 2008 RNC? His notable absence from the world stage since then?

 

[Roflmouth]

Who said Obama was bad? Considering he's responsible for the two largest Republican congressional gains in seventy years, he's been an absolute godsend

 

[fskimospy]

Who said Obama was bad? Considering he's responsible for the two largest Republican congressional gains in seventy years, he's been an absolute godsend

The nice thing has been that despite them he's been able to keep pushing policy to the left. Considering the presidency is more powerful than congress right now let's make a deal: you keep congress and we keep the White House.

How fun!

 

[nexus5rocks]

I agree (except I lived through the Watts riots and Rodney King in L.A.), and I don't blame Obama, but I do partly blame the reaction to him. People love to hate. It makes them temporarily feel less small. "You mean a (half) black guy is doing better than me?"

You would think at worst with a black president, race relations would remain constant but his remarks do nothing but add to the racial divide. It's not directly because of him, but he definitely added fuel to the fire.

 

[Jhhnn]

You would think at worst with a black president, race relations would remain constant but his remarks do nothing but add to the racial divide. It's not directly because of him, but he definitely added fuel to the fire.

What a load of bullshit. Reference remarks like these-

http://digg.com/2016/obama-dallas-full-speech-bush

 

[agent00f]

Doesn't really matter, does it?

Race relations isn't something advantageous for american conservatives to bring up. To wit:

Well, Reagen said the party left him. I for one agree with that. Over the course of time the Democratic party has morphed into this ultra far-left, progressive, nonsensical, quasi-Socialistic party. This is a party that props up black lives matter and shuns police officers. This is a party that uses blacks for their vote and then tosses them to the curb where they can't find a job. Yet I thought the Democratic party was about the working man? This is a party that supports abortion yet says black lives matter. Which is funny because Margaret Sanger created Planned Parenthood to get rid of blacks. This party is so dysfunctional they had to oust Little Debby and then went through like three contenders in a matter of days. Yet the shill sheep in this country don't care, they don't mind. They reap what they sow.

To be fair, the Republicans haven't done shit now that they control both sides of Congress. I'm not a Republican however. I consider myself a staunch Conservative.

The party never left Reagan nor vice versa, given he surely approved of the party's Willie Horton ad & such despite proclamations that some of their best friends are black. In generally the message that conservatism is minority-friendly is meant for an audience of your peers to tell themselves they're not racist despite forming around a platform to oppose civil rights.

Speaking of sheep, american conservatism advocates for the interests of the gentry, and it's somewhat in their interest that uneducated whites get a class of minorities with lower social status underneath them. Not really any different than back in the day. Whether that's worth giving up collective bargaining & such is doubtful, but their constituents do love hating on anyone said to be too uppity.

 

[bradly1101]

You would think at worst with a black president, race relations would remain constant but his remarks do nothing but add to the racial divide. It's not directly because of him, but he definitely added fuel to the fire.

Remarks like what?

What a load of bullshit. Reference remarks like these-

http://digg.com/2016/obama-dallas-full-speech-bush