So our priest denied our daughter's baptism...

[Nik]

What is SAD is I KNEW what your religion was before I went into the thread.


IT is a business, not a religion. One of the Kennedy's got ann annulment in weeks.
Cash = Action. So sad.

Another one got away with murder. The Kennedy's should be locked up.

 

[moshquerade]

Actually Mosh, I'm kinder when I write than I am in person, as you've said "I'm an Ass". I would say exactly what I've written and more if we were speaking in person.

I do like the "I'm bored" card you've thrown out. It's a staple response when someone has lost the argument, "I'm bored so I'm taking my ball and going home". You know that boredom is the sign of a lazy mind, right?

You know you enjoy being an antagonist. Because you do.

My boredom with you is due to the fact that you keep repeating the same stuff over and over. Broken records bore me.

 

[Cogman]

The Catholic church is FAR worse than any other religious organization when it comes to the kiddy rape category.

Fuck, Mosh, I read an article yesterday on CNN about one parish boss who was trying to convince church members NOT to go to the police about another priest who was raping their son.

It happens SO MUCH in the Catholic church that it's become the stereotype. It happens SO MUCH in the Catholic church that their supreme leader, the Pope, has had to address the entire fucking world on the issue.

It became a media issue. Just like the school teachers molesting students a little while back. The media does that, they pick a group, find something shocking, and then document it happening more then once. With a group as large as the catholic church it isn't surprising that something this despicable has happened more than once.

Just because the media goes nuts over something, doesn't mean it is a frequent daily occurrence.

 

[Nik]

You can break my record any time.

 

[Phokus]

It became a media issue. Just like the school teachers molesting students a little while back. The media does that, they pick a group, find something shocking, and then document it happening more then once. With a group as large as the catholic church it isn't surprising that something this despicable has happened more than once.

Just because the media goes nuts over something, doesn't mean it is a frequent daily occurrence.

It's not just that it's, 'well, you can find that behavior anywhere'. I think the problem is that the Church new about it and facilitated the molestation via the coverups and just transferring priests to new parishes to molest new children when they get 'busted', rather than sending them to the authorities and also changing the way they admit new priests and changing their policies (i.e. the celibacy issue).

 

[Modular]

That's what my mother in law said, but the thing is we plan on going as a family, just through our 20's we weren't really going as much.

His email to us basically says, you aren't welcome because you have not been faithful to our parish, which to me defeats the purpose of the catholic church.

I thought our religion was all about forgiveness .

Severely doubt that. What is says is that you are welcome to come to church regularly, and to participate in the religion should you choose to. At that point, I'm sure your daughter could be baptized. At this point, the priest is 100% right. If you aren't dedicated to the religion, then what's the point?

If you decide that you think this is an important aspect of your lives and your daughter's life, then make it a priority. Don't go blaming hte priest because he's not willing to aid you in a decision that's obviously not that important to you...


Edit: I've only read the first page, so I'm sure this has become nothing more than a pissing fest with hundreds of paper tigers and weakly thought out responses (typical of ATOT religion topics). Ah well.

 

[Wyndru]

I got a 2 month ban for something I didn't do, but I like your insinuation, asshole.

I think he meant my priest, he was on vaca since june, which is why he was emailing me. I could be wrong though.

 

[FelixDeCat]

This thread should be locked. It has become just another Catholic bashing thread by the envious and jealous.

We all know atheists outnumber priests by a million to one. There are thousands upon thousands of child molesting atheists for every bad priest that ever existed (which incidently was only 1 percent of the available priests but we love to bash the Catholics so lets overplay that). Lets also ignore a higher percentage of child molesting teachers and the child molesting atheists as a whole of all professions. But that doesnt matter does it? Nah. It doesnt play into our "lets bash priests" agenda.



Certain people are on my ignore list and will not receive a response. All they are negative individuals who contribute nothing, help no one, resort to cursing and are just generally ignorant and unworthy of my attention. I have better things to do than to bother with them acting the same way all the time to me and everyone else. Just look at their posts and I will be vindicated.

 

[preslove]

It became a media issue. Just like the school teachers molesting students a little while back. The media does that, they pick a group, find something shocking, and then document it happening more then once. With a group as large as the catholic church it isn't surprising that something this despicable has happened more than once.

Just because the media goes nuts over something, doesn't mean it is a frequent daily occurrence.

The Catholic church COVERED UP MOLESTATION! That is, they new that a ton of priests were molesting kids, and instead of turning them into the police, the REASSIGNED the priests to other parishes where THEY KEPT ON MOLESTING KIDS.

Show me a link to any story where a teacher molested a kid and was then protected by the principal of the school, the head of the school district, the head of the state dept. of education, and then the head of the US dept. of education. Instead of, you know, turning the teachers in to the police. You won't find stories like this, however, so your stupid analogy doesn't work.

 

[Cogman]

The Catholic church COVERED UP MOLESTATION! That is, they new that a ton of priests were molesting kids, and instead of turning them into the police, the REASSIGNED the priests to other parishes where THEY KEPT ON MOLESTING KIDS.

Show me a link to any story where a teacher molested a kid and was then protected by the principal of the school, the head of the school district, the head of the state dept. of education, and then the head of the US dept. of education. Instead of, you know, turning the teachers in to the police. You won't find stories like this, however, so your stupid analogy doesn't work.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/feb/08021907.html

Shut up. This was the result of 5 seconds of googling.

 

[preslove]

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/feb/08021907.html

Shut up.

Those teachers were fired at least. The catholic church reassigned one child molester to a fucking ORPHANAGE.

 

[Cogman]

Those teachers were fired at least. The catholic church reassigned one child molester to a fucking ORPHANAGE.

No, they didn't. They were giving them letters of recommendation. Teachers got fired when they got caught, how many teachers didn't get caught? Also, just because they were fired from one school, what prevented them from getting a job at another?

 

[Phokus]

No, they didn't. They were giving them letters of recommendation. Teachers got fired when they got caught, how many teachers didn't get caught?

Priests got transferred when they got caught.

 

[Cogman]

Priests got transferred when they got caught.

By caught, I mean caught by the media or other groups. These teachers just resigned without any criminal punishment. Nothing prevented them from getting a job elsewhere.

I'm not saying what the catholic church did there was right. But my hell people, you make it sound like every single catholic priest is a pedophile. My point is, given a large enough group, you can ALWAYS find something disturbing that happens within that group.

 

[preslove]

No, they didn't. They were giving them letters of recommendation. Teachers got fired when they got caught, how many teachers didn't get caught? Also, just because they were fired from one school, what prevented them from getting a job at another?

I fail to see how your story in ANY WAY approaches the disgusting, pathetic, and just fucking evil nature of this story:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/27/us/27wisconsin.html

They were deaf, but they were not silent. For decades, a group of men who were sexually abused as children by the Rev. Lawrence C. Murphy at a school for the deaf in Wisconsin reported to every type of official they could think of that he was a danger, according to the victims and church documents.

They told other priests. They told three archbishops of Milwaukee. They told two police departments and the district attorney. They used sign language, written affidavits and graphic gestures to show what exactly Father Murphy had done to them. But their reports fell on the deaf ears of hearing people.

This week, they learned that Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, received letters about Father Murphy in 1996 from Archbishop Rembert G. Weakland of Milwaukee, who said that the deaf community needed “a healing response from the Church.” The Vatican sat on the case, then equivocated, and when Father Murphy died in 1998, he died a priest.

“That man should have been in prison for a very long time, but he was lucky,” Steven Geier, one of Father Murphy’s victims, said Thursday. “What about me? I wasn’t supposed to touch girls. What gave him the right to be able to do that? Father Murphy constantly thought about sex with children, and he got away with it.”

 

[Slapstick]

I think he meant my priest, he was on vaca since june, which is why he was emailing me. I could be wrong though.

No, you're right I was referring to your Priest. I didn't know why Nik took offense, still don't and truthfully don't want to know.

 

[Slapstick]

You know you enjoy being an antagonist. Because you do.

My boredom with you is due to the fact that you keep repeating the same stuff over and over. Broken records bore me.

So you bore yourself a lot? So far you're the one playing the "broken record". Keep trying though and maybe you'll find another tune. Oh you say "being an antagonist" like it's a bad thing. It's not, people can expand their knowledge and understanding by being in philosophical conflict with those around them or you can just claim you're bored and not learn a thing.

 

[Fritzo]

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/feb/08021907.html

Shut up. This was the result of 5 seconds of googling.

ZOMG!!! I have to pull my kids out of school!!!!!

 

[FelixDeCat]

By caught, I mean caught by the media or other groups. These teachers just resigned without any criminal punishment. Nothing prevented them from getting a job elsewhere.

I'm not saying what the catholic church did there was right. But my hell people, you make it sound like every single catholic priest is a pedophile. My point is, given a large enough group, you can ALWAYS find something disturbing that happens within that group.

You have made your point Cogman. There is no sense in reasoning with a Catholic basher. They are stuck on hatred and cant see any changes that have been made, people that have been held to account and either resigned or were jailed as a result of their actions, the hundreds of millions paid out in lawsuits, new policies in place and reorginizations that been undertaken.

None of that matters. To them, nothing good happens in the Catholic church. They are filled with irrational hate driven by jealousy of the church and refuse to see anything good.

I see that despite the fact that almost once a week you hear of some educator molesting boys or girls that not all of them are bad. When I hear someone is a teacher or works for the schools I dont automatically think, "child molester" despite all the news reports. I have a brain and I use it. I dont hate schools, dont want to see the secretary of education resign or go to jail or think that districts should pay out millions in settlements. But if one out of 33,000 priests did something wrong the entire church should be done away with? Thats how they think.

 

[Blackjack200]

I'm not saying what the catholic church did there was right. But my hell people, you make it sound like every single catholic priest is a pedophile. My point is, given a large enough group, you can ALWAYS find something disturbing that happens within that group.

I went to a Catholic high school and thought pretty highly of most of the priests. Moreover, I never saw, experienced, or had any suspicion of inappropriate behavior by any priest.

But you can't just say "given a large enough group, you can ALWAYS find something disturbing that happens within that group" and be done with it. You have to look at why that group might unitentionally promote or tolerate bad behavior.

I don't think it's a stretch to say that the Catholic Church is misogynistic by contemporary standards and that it has some serious problems with sex. Is it not legitimate to consider that limiting the priesthood to men and prohibiting them from persuing normal, healthy, sexual realtionships is causing some problems?

 

[sactoking]

I like how in the ~80 posts since OP made his update not a single person addressed it or offered an opinion, being too wrapped up in their own only slighty on-topic rants.

 

[Nik]

I think he meant my priest, he was on vaca since june, which is why he was emailing me. I could be wrong though.

Hah. KK, my bad.

 

[Nik]

So you bore yourself a lot? So far you're the one playing the "broken record". Keep trying though and maybe you'll find another tune. Oh you say "being an antagonist" like it's a bad thing. It's not, people can expand their knowledge and understanding by being in philosophical conflict with those around them or you can just claim you're bored and not learn a thing.

You can sugar coat it, but you're still antagonizing someone for, seemingly, no reason other than to antagonize them.

Just sayin.

 

[skace]

If you don’t participate in the faith, they don't want you. They already have enough half-assed Catholics.

All Catholics are half-assed, thats the beauty of it. The priest should acknowledge that they are apparently very devout Catholics and should get right on that baptism and then tell them he will see them on Thanksgiving.

 

[Nik]

No, they didn't. They were giving them letters of recommendation. Teachers got fired when they got caught, how many teachers didn't get caught? Also, just because they were fired from one school, what prevented them from getting a job at another?

Fail logic.

In order for schools to be comparable to parishes, the school board would have to knowingly transfer teachers between schools to avoid getting the teacher into legal trouble.

THEN you can compare them.

However, the school thing isn't the same because the schools are going after the teachers and turning them in immediately --which is what even the Bible tells Catholics that they're required to do. Those priests need to be ejected from the priesthood and CRUCIFIED in the public eye in court for their crimes.

You're defending adults who are molesting children.

Think about what you're arguing.

Edit: Do you have kids? Nieces and nephews maybe? How would you feel if some catholic priest was moved around to cover up his molestation of your sweet, innocent loved ones? Certainly, albeit knowing what I'd like to do, I don't know what I would do if I found out some wolf-in-priest's-clothing were molesting my niece or my nephew. I'd certainly need to make an effort to restrain myself -I wouldn't first worry about moving the priest to save the church's image instead of turning them in...