So our priest denied our daughter's baptism...

[Nik]

LOL....how did I know that this thread would turn into some debate about good an evil.

Some of you guys are pathetic.

Just let people believe what they want to believe.

His child hasn't chosen to be Catholic and hasn't chosen to be water baptised. Hasn't chosen to be baptised in the spirit, which comes first, blah blah freakin blah.

Aim your "don't push your shit on people who haven't asked for it" right at the OP, not us.

 

[KeithTalent]

The Catholic church COVERED UP MOLESTATION! That is, they new that a ton of priests were molesting kids, and instead of turning them into the police, the REASSIGNED the priests to other parishes where THEY KEPT ON MOLESTING KIDS.

Have you seen Deliver Us From Evil? Watch that documentary. Very sad and disgusting really.

KT

 

[TheShiz]

it does not matter because there is no god. now stop wasting your time thinking about meaningless things.

 

[QueBert]

It's kind of ironic how a small handful of Priests molest children and it means Church/Preists = evil child molesting pigs. Yet Police aren't all labeled as racist, corrupt assholes even though a small handful of them are.

 

[PieIsAwesome]

It's kind of ironic how a small handful of Priests molest children and it means Church/Preists = evil child molesting pigs. Yet Police aren't all labeled as racist, corrupt assholes even though a small handful of them are.

*something about Muslims being held responsible for Islamic terrorism*

 

[SaDiZTiKStyLeZ]

Pee on him.

 

[Kadarin]

It's kind of ironic how a small handful of Priests molest children and it means Church/Preists = evil child molesting pigs. Yet Police aren't all labeled as racist, corrupt assholes even though a small handful of them are.

The Church becomes evil in this case due to its institutional complicity in covering up the abuses that occur, despite the fact that likely just a small percentage of priests actually molest children.

 

[Cogman]

The Church becomes evil in this case due to its institutional complicity in covering up the abuses that occur, despite the fact that likely just a small percentage of priests actually molest children.

And you don't think the same thing doesn't happen with the police? It has happened more than a couple of times that the police do something wrong and all the sudden all the video devices owned by the police "Malfunction".

 

[DangerAardvark]

And you don't think the same thing doesn't happen with the police? It has happened more than a couple of times that the police do something wrong and all the sudden all the video devices owned by the police "Malfunction".

And you don't think it's reasonable to hold an institution which claims moral authority in this life and the next to a higher standard? The chief of police doesn't claim to be Christ's Vicar on Earth. And child abuse isn't just a crime, it's the WORST crime. So you have an organization which claims to possess some sort of moral truth, complicit in some shit that would get you shanked in the cafeteria at San Quentin.

 

[dbk]

go to a different parish

 

[Cogman]

And you don't think it's reasonable to hold an institution which claims moral authority in this life and the next to a higher standard? The chief of police doesn't claim to be Christ's Vicar on Earth. And child abuse isn't just a crime, it's the WORST crime. So you have an organization which claims to possess some sort of moral truth, complicit in some shit that would get you shanked in the cafeteria at San Quentin.

Small group in the organization. Yes, the bishops in charge fubared things up royally. Yes, the priests should have been turned in immediately after discovery. That is, however, in the past now. As someone else has pointed out, the catholic church has instituted some pretty strict policies about priests with children. It isn't an ongoing problem.

Like I said earlier. I don't think it is right to hold an institution responsible for the actions of individuals in that institution. Some Islamic clerics praised terrorist attacks, that doesn't mean I condemn all of Islam and its followers. Nor does that mean that every Islamic cleric is an evil individual.

Hell, why are we talking about this recent event when catholics ran mass executions and torture during the spanish inquisition (this is well documented)? As horrific as this is, I would just say let go. It is in the past now and the catholics are currently guarding against it. There are still catholic believers out there, and crapping on their religion isn't going to make them go "Oh, I see, I have been wrong my entire life!".

 

[Nik]

And you don't think it's reasonable to hold an institution which claims moral authority in this life and the next to a higher standard? The chief of police doesn't claim to be Christ's Vicar on Earth. And child abuse isn't just a crime, it's the WORST crime. So you have an organization which claims to possess some sort of moral truth, complicit in some shit that would get you shanked in the cafeteria at San Quentin.

Yeah but they're the catholic church. It's okay because they're forgiven for their sins.

 

[bignateyk]

Why don't you just switch to a different christian sect if you aren't going to church every week? Catholics are very strict about things like that (as you obviously know). If you don't care to follow their rules, don't bitch about the consequences. Or you could wait until your daughter is older and let her decide for herself.

Most other christian sects aren't nearly as strict about rules and theatrics.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Solution 1: Start going every week and ask again in three months
Solution 2: Choose a new club

 

[meltdown75]

omg trainwreck thread 0_0

 

[coolVariable]

Solution 1: Start going every week and ask again in three months
Solution 2: Choose a new club

Club?
I thought religious associations like this (especially when they are fundamentalist) are called "cults"?

 

[sourceninja]

There is no tithing in the Catholic Church, none. You can go to church as often as you wish and even take the body of Christ every Sunday as long as you've confessed your sins, without ever being requires by Catholic doctrine to contribute one red cent.

That's not to say they didn't used to have 4-5 different contributions during mass back in the day, just that Boomer isn't correct about the reason.

Oh . . . OP, your priest is an ass. I'll bet you could take his response up the hierarchy, beyond the mere parish level, and get it overturned. They want and need members.

You could also go to the next Catholic Church over, and more than likely find a sympathetic and cooperative ear.

Again, the priest who sent you that e-mail is an ass.

I remember my mother begging the priest on the phone for forgiveness when he would call and ask why we were not tithing. I remember going to mass and being preached at that the church wanted new bushes and we should all come together to contribute. I remember wondering why my mother, who was constantly fighting with my father about how to feed us was putting our precious money into a basket instead of our mouths.

Most importantly, I remember the letter my mother received when my father finally convinced her to stop tithing. I never read the letter, but my mother told us when I asked why we were no longer going to church that we were asked not to return.

It was then that I think the first seeds of doubt were laid into my mind. I thank that priest for helping me realize that religion was a sham.

 

[Modelworks]

It's kind of ironic how a small handful of Priests molest children and it means Church/Preists = evil child molesting pigs. Yet Police aren't all labeled as racist, corrupt assholes even though a small handful of them are.

Assigning groups to people is a tactic used by those that have issues themselves. Categorizing people into groups makes it easy for people to reinforce their own beliefs because not only is someone they may know guilty but also others of that group they don't know. They draw the conclusion that because some are like that they all must be the same. Guilt by association.

 

[Modelworks]

There was like tons more, but here is the part where he explains why.

I have a lot of issues with his reply and if I were you I would locate the arch bishop for the area. I doubt you are the first to encounter something like this from him.

If I'm going to perform a baptism I want to know that the parents are seriously about TRYING to live a Christian life and that Eucharist (Mass) is a significant part of it because that makes the baptism genuine and sincere and I know that the faith will get passed on, which is at the heart of the commitment parents make at a baptism.

Here he is trying to take on the role of God himself . He cannot know what is in the heart of another and claiming he will refuse services based on how he has judged someone goes against everything Christ taught.

If you do contact an arch bishop make sure to bring up this passage:


Romans 14:10-13
But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in [his] brother's way.


By refusing to perform the service he is placing an obstacle in your path between you and God based upon his judgment of you.

 

[Nik]

Assigning groups to people is a tactic used by those that have issues themselves. Categorizing people into groups makes it easy for people to reinforce their own beliefs because not only is someone they may know guilty but also others of that group they don't know. They draw the conclusion that because some are like that they all must be the same. Guilt by association.

I like how you say that generalization is a problem of a group of lesser-people and then generalize them all into one big group.

pot, meet kettle

 

[Nik]

I have a lot of issues with his reply and if I were you I would locate the arch bishop for the area. I doubt you are the first to encounter something like this from him.



Here he is trying to take on the role of God himself . He cannot know what is in the heart of another and claiming he will refuse services based on how he has judged someone goes against everything Christ taught.

If you do contact an arch bishop make sure to bring up this passage:


Romans 14:10-13
But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, [As] I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in [his] brother's way.


By refusing to perform the service he is placing an obstacle in your path between you and God based upon his judgment of you.

Catholics believe that priests can absolve sins. They believe that chanting "holy" prayers will somehow absolve sins. They pray to and worship Mary as an idol, someone who's dead and will remain dead until the 2nd coming -according to the very book they pick and choose and butcher but hold above their heads in reverence.

A priest "refusing service" to someone isn't any different than the Soup Nazi saying NO SOUP FOR YOU!

It's a service that has absolutely no value besides that which the users of said service place on it in their own heads.

 

[Homerboy]

Catholics believe that priests can absolve sins. They believe that chanting "holy" prayers will somehow absolve sins. They pray to and worship Mary as an idol, someone who's dead and will remain dead until the 2nd coming -according to the very book they pick and choose and butcher but hold above their heads in reverence.

A priest "refusing service" to someone isn't any different than the Soup Nazi saying NO SOUP FOR YOU!

It's a service that has absolutely no value besides that which the users of said service place on it in their own heads.

Catholics do NOT believe this.
Only God can absolve sins.

 

[Modelworks]

I like how you say that generalization is a problem of a group of lesser-people and then generalize them all into one big group.

pot, meet kettle

Two totally different things.
One is grouping based on assumption, the other is grouping by fact. People who have all or nothing thinking tend to reply like you did.

 

[Nik]

Catholics do NOT believe this.
Only God can absolve sins.

I know countless who do believe this and practice it.

I'm right with you on the 2nd sentence, and laugh at the folks who go to confession each week and beg priests for forgiveness, like the priest has any more "holy mana" than the guy sitting next to them in the pew.

 

[gorcorps]

I'm kind of flabbergasted why you're so bent out of shape about some random guy saying he won't put water on your daughter. I know it's a bigger deal for the religion, but its obvious you don't take it all that seriously. If you find church a chore, then you're simply not interested in the religion... Just whatever parts are most convenient for you. I just don't get why certain parts of this magic book are more important than others.