So if you try to kill a cop in the name of Islam....it is not influenced by Islam

[Sulaco]

A devout fundamentalist Christian, who attended his church every Sunday and was active in other ways, shot up a UPS facility in Alabama in September 2014, killing 4 people.
The media barely mentioned his religious affiliation, the RWNJs were not outraged, and no politicians called for draconian measures until we can figure out what's going on.

Yeah....that's because people smarter than you realized the AL UPS shooting incident was perpetrated by someone who had recently been fired from his job there. He made no political or religious statement. He made no mention to his underlying motives being inspired by his religion, faith, or anything else, or furthering of any other political or religious agenda or goal. It was, very simply, a targeted revenge killing from a frustrated and unstable ex employee.

The Philadelphia shooting was done for the sole reason, in the shooter's own words, of his perceived war against the West and defender's of Western law. In other words, he did it for political/religious reasons and was motivated for no other reason than that. He had no previous interactions with that officer, or the Philadelphia P.D. in general. They were targeted specifically because of his perceived "war" against the West and allegiance to ISIS.

They aren't even in the same galaxy, Vic. What an utterly dissonant and asinine false equivalency to try and make. It further erodes your credibility.

 

[Ackmed]

Extremely pathetic that the Mayor tries to claim this has nothing to do with Islam. Very, very sad.

 

[realibrad]

Extremely pathetic that the Mayor tries to claim this has nothing to do with Islam. Very, very sad.

Not to surprised really. Its the same thing people say when a Christian does something and says he did it for god. People dismiss it as not something a true Christian would do.

 

[Vic]

Yeah....that's because people smarter than you realized the AL UPS shooting incident was perpetrated by someone who had recently been fired from his job there. He made no political or religious statement. He made no mention to his underlying motives being inspired by his religion, faith, or anything else, or furthering of any other political or religious agenda or goal. It was, very simply, a targeted revenge killing from a frustrated and unstable ex employee.

The Philadelphia shooting was done for the sole reason, in the shooter's own words, of his perceived war against the West and defender's of Western law. In other words, he did it for political/religious reasons and was motivated for no other reason than that. He had no previous interactions with that officer, or the Philadelphia P.D. in general. They were targeted specifically because of his perceived "war" against the West and allegiance to ISIS.

They aren't even in the same galaxy, Vic. What an utterly dissonant and asinine false equivalency to try and make. It further erodes your credibility.

Are you under the mistaken impression that I believe that the UPS shooting is somehow the fault of Christianity or that I even implied that?

 

[Subyman]

Extremely pathetic that the Mayor tries to claim this has nothing to do with Islam. Very, very sad.

Well, it doesn't have anything to do with, say, the Mosque down the street or another citizen practicing the religion. Islam didn't "make" them do it and isn't culpable. The man that shot the gun used Islam as his excuse to be violent.

 

[Ackmed]

Except acts like this have happened all over, citing Islam faith for doing it.

I follow Allah. I pledge my allegiance to the Islamic State and that's why I did what I did

Pretty cut and dry. But ok, you're going to ignore that.

 

[Subyman]

Except acts like this have happened all over, citing Islam faith for doing it.



Pretty cut and dry. But ok, you're going to ignore that.

There is a problem with people using Islam in violent ways. There are many more people who do not, which is why we shouldn't throw the entire religion under the bus or stoke the flames of religion-based hate. If we knew the man was a part of a violent organization then that would be more representative of his views and actions, such as ISIS. If it was a one-off thing then he should be categorized as a mentally unstable individual who used his religion as justification for his unstable and violent world-view, no different than any other faith-based killings.

 

[Indus]

Except acts like this have happened all over, citing Islam faith for doing it.



Pretty cut and dry. But ok, you're going to ignore that.

Well you use Donald Trump and Rush Limbaugh to act like a fucking jackass and kill half the forum reader's brain cells.. should we blame Donald Trump and Rush Limbaugh too for your deeds or just you?

Oh and of course you say Planned Parenthood and Charleston were not terrorist attacks. They were mentally ill.. so maybe this guy is too.

 

[JockoJohnson]

Maybe we should all put our "jump to conclusions" mat away and wait for more details. I know it takes the fun out of all the speculation and name calling from both sides of the issue and probably won't be done.

Now more information about Edward Archer belonging to a radical group. And hey, how about that trip to the Middle East? Is that where he became mentally unstable or radicalized by ISIS? Who knows for sure as things are still being investigated.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/01/1...dical-associates-terror-suspect-at-large.html

 

[Ackmed]

Well you use Donald Trump and Rush Limbaugh to act like a fucking jackass and kill half the forum reader's brain cells.. should we blame Donald Trump and Rush Limbaugh too for your deeds or just you?

Oh and of course you say Planned Parenthood and Charleston were not terrorist attacks. They were mentally ill.. so maybe this guy is too.

I have never said anything in support of Trump or Limbaugh. What deeds have I done like this? None. I have never said anything that PP or Charleston were not terrorist attacks. Stop lying trying to further your agenda.

You're accusing me of killing brain cells? Have you read your posts? Your titles get edited by mods, because you lie. Take a look in the mirror.

There is a problem with people using Islam in violent ways. There are many more people who do not, which is why we shouldn't throw the entire religion under the bus or stoke the flames of religion-based hate. If we knew the man was a part of a violent organization then that would be more representative of his views and actions, such as ISIS. If it was a one-off thing then he should be categorized as a mentally unstable individual who used his religion as justification for his unstable and violent world-view, no different than any other faith-based killings.

I don't paint the entire Islam faith under the bus. I am very sure the vast majority are peaceful people. He did pledge his faith to ISIS, http://abcnews.go.com/US/man-accused-shooting-philly-cop-confessed-committing-act/story?id=36169588

The man admitted to doing it for Islam, in allegiance to ISIS. But they Mayor said it had nothing to do with Islam? That is just silly. I am not basing every Muslim's actions for this one, but when someone admits to doing something for a certain reason, but an elected official denies it? Not good.

 

[realibrad]

There is a problem with people using Islam in violent ways. There are many more people who do not, which is why we shouldn't throw the entire religion under the bus or stoke the flames of religion-based hate. If we knew the man was a part of a violent organization then that would be more representative of his views and actions, such as ISIS. If it was a one-off thing then he should be categorized as a mentally unstable individual who used his religion as justification for his unstable and violent world-view, no different than any other faith-based killings.

Religion can do 2 big things in terms of violence.

Religion can tell you to to x to someone. Devout followers will do what they are told. If a person says to do something, you can dismiss it if you disagree. If religion tells you to do something, its a lot harder to dismiss.

Next is that people who want to do violence can find justification in religion. Islam, like most religions says conflicting things. In one area it will say to be nice to everyone, and in another say to not be nice.

Most people in this world are nice enough and will try to bend the rules about the bad parts. I like that people do that. The problem is when people want to not ignore the bad part, and or follow the bad part. If people get their morality from their religion, and their religion says to do something bad, then not following the bad would be immoral.

The problem with Islam is that the Quran says to do bad things to those who oppress Islam. Now, most people will say that does not require killing anyone, but the Quran is clear that you can and sometimes should. I dont want to pick on just Islam, because other major religions do the same thing too in different areas.

 

[SP33Demon]

Yeah....that's because people smarter than you realized the AL UPS shooting incident was perpetrated by someone who had recently been fired from his job there. He made no political or religious statement. He made no mention to his underlying motives being inspired by his religion, faith, or anything else, or furthering of any other political or religious agenda or goal. It was, very simply, a targeted revenge killing from a frustrated and unstable ex employee.

The Philadelphia shooting was done for the sole reason, in the shooter's own words, of his perceived war against the West and defender's of Western law. In other words, he did it for political/religious reasons and was motivated for no other reason than that. He had no previous interactions with that officer, or the Philadelphia P.D. in general. They were targeted specifically because of his perceived "war" against the West and allegiance to ISIS.

They aren't even in the same galaxy, Vic. What an utterly dissonant and asinine false equivalency to try and make. It further erodes your credibility.

Vic's posts in this thread get the mental midget of the month award. Congratulations!

On a more serious note, we are so PC that we cannot properly identify a real threat anymore due to the possibility of hurt feelings. It's horseshit, and fuck you pussies who are PC. I am not. Fucking betas.

 

[SP33Demon]

Well, it doesn't have anything to do with, say, the Mosque down the street or another citizen practicing the religion. Islam didn't "make" them do it and isn't culpable. The man that shot the gun used Islam as his excuse to be violent.

Mosques have a lot to do with radicalization. You are clueless, go back to your PC safe space.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...e-mosques-state-emergency-crackdown/76655054/

 

[raildogg]

Humans always look to blame external threats while ignoring the real threats - they themselves! Keep blaming the so-called Muslims. At least this shows that you accept what the mainstream media and talk radio has to say. This is exactly what politicians and their media want - people fighting among themselves.

What a world. And to think that people believe we're actually *evolving"?

 

[realibrad]

Humans always look to blame external threats while ignoring the real threats - they themselves! Keep blaming the so-called Muslims. At least this shows that you accept what the mainstream media and talk radio has to say. This is exactly what politicians and their media want - people fighting among themselves.

What a world. And to think that people believe we're actually *evolving"?

If people can be manipulated by the media, do you think people can be manipulated by religion?

 

[raildogg]

If people can be manipulated by the media, do you think people can be manipulated by religion?

Organized religion's source for staying relevant is due to its manipulating of the masses. Organized religion is not the same thing as a true religious person. The holy men of the past were not followers of organized religion yet somehow people believe they can become holy by following an organized religion! It makes no sense but that is what we have. Organized religions exploiting people and pitting them against each other.

People are always looking for some type of guidance from an external source. That can be anything.

I don't think religion, in its true sense, manipulates in any way. But there is no true religion any more. What we have are exploiters and followers.

 

[nickqt]

Vic's posts in this thread get the mental midget of the month award. Congratulations!

On a more serious note, we are so PC that we cannot properly identify a real threat anymore due to the possibility of hurt feelings. It's horseshit, and fuck you pussies who are PC. I am not. Fucking betas.

Scary mooselmans are comin' to getcha and you're not allowed to say so. Your posts have been deleted, Strongman Trump can't say it, and no one can say it.

No one is allowed to scapegoat an entire religion, because PC.

Also: microaggressions.

Keep on keepin' on, clown.

 

[ivwshane]

Vic's posts in this thread get the mental midget of the month award. Congratulations!

On a more serious note, we are so PC that we cannot properly identify a real threat anymore due to the possibility of hurt feelings. It's horseshit, and fuck you pussies who are PC. I am not. Fucking betas.

Anyone who isn't a moron (that wouldn't be you) knows that when identifying threats you don't just cast a wide net and hope you catch something.

 

[werepossum]

For some people, it is about political correctness. For Obama, and likely for Bush as well ("religion of peace") - it's really about diplomacy. It does us no good to pose this struggle with Islamic terrorism as a war between the west and Islam. It hurts us to pose it that way. I don't understand why so many people on the right are bent out of shape that now two POTUSES in a row refuse to say it is about Islam.

Because it's highly unlikely that we defeat something we can't admit we are fighting.

It's also amusing that so many people who are so insistent that this behavior not be linked in any way to Islam have absolutely no problem grouping all cops (or gun owners) with every bad apple. This mayor for example; one would be in great peril if caught between him and a camera any time something like this happens and he makes a mad dash to blame guns and defend Islam.

 

[werepossum]

Yeah....that's because people smarter than you realized the AL UPS shooting incident was perpetrated by someone who had recently been fired from his job there. He made no political or religious statement. He made no mention to his underlying motives being inspired by his religion, faith, or anything else, or furthering of any other political or religious agenda or goal. It was, very simply, a targeted revenge killing from a frustrated and unstable ex employee.

The Philadelphia shooting was done for the sole reason, in the shooter's own words, of his perceived war against the West and defender's of Western law. In other words, he did it for political/religious reasons and was motivated for no other reason than that. He had no previous interactions with that officer, or the Philadelphia P.D. in general. They were targeted specifically because of his perceived "war" against the West and allegiance to ISIS.

They aren't even in the same galaxy, Vic. What an utterly dissonant and asinine false equivalency to try and make. It further erodes your credibility.

Well, yeah - but since he didn't actually yell "Unemployment snack bar!" when murdering, some people are insisting it must be due to Christianity.

Well reasoned and well said, sir.

Humans always look to blame external threats while ignoring the real threats - they themselves! Keep blaming the so-called Muslims. At least this shows that you accept what the mainstream media and talk radio has to say. This is exactly what politicians and their media want - people fighting among themselves.

What a world. And to think that people believe we're actually *evolving"?

This is true. I know lots of people who suddenly shot themselves in the back or sawed off their own heads in the name of Allah.

Oh wait, I don't, because that would be stupid and never happens.

Anyone who isn't a moron (that wouldn't be you) knows that when identifying threats you don't just cast a wide net and hope you catch something.

Hmm. If only there were some way to narrow this "wide net". Something they have in common. Some underlying factor . . .

 

[werepossum]

Religion can do 2 big things in terms of violence.

Religion can tell you to to x to someone. Devout followers will do what they are told. If a person says to do something, you can dismiss it if you disagree. If religion tells you to do something, its a lot harder to dismiss.

Next is that people who want to do violence can find justification in religion. Islam, like most religions says conflicting things. In one area it will say to be nice to everyone, and in another say to not be nice.

Most people in this world are nice enough and will try to bend the rules about the bad parts. I like that people do that. The problem is when people want to not ignore the bad part, and or follow the bad part. If people get their morality from their religion, and their religion says to do something bad, then not following the bad would be immoral.

The problem with Islam is that the Quran says to do bad things to those who oppress Islam. Now, most people will say that does not require killing anyone, but the Quran is clear that you can and sometimes should. I dont want to pick on just Islam, because other major religions do the same thing too in different areas.

Well said. The big difference between Islam and other Abrahamic faiths is that Islam has a very clear mandate to murder non-Islamic people. But (albeit less commonly) people also honestly believe that Christianity (and Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.) requires that they murder someone. Any religion can be used as justification for murder and other bad things, and a good person can remain a good person while following any religion. Hell, there are even Satanists who never harm anyone.

It's also worth remembering that in much of Africa, it's most commonly the Christians that are the terrorists. So YMMV with your GPS coordinates.

 

[ivwshane]

Well, yeah - but since he didn't actually yell "Unemployment snack bar!" when murdering, some people are insisting it must be due to Christianity.

Well reasoned and well said, sir.


This is true. I know lots of people who suddenly shot themselves in the back or sawed off their own heads in the name of Allah.

Oh wait, I don't, because that would be stupid and never happens.


Hmm. If only there were some way to narrow this "wide net". Something they have in common. Some underlying factor . . .

You think narrowing it to religion is narrowing a wide net? Wow! That's just Michael1980 stupid! Congrats dumbass, your net just caught 1+ billion Muslims!

 

[buckshot24]

Ummm how exactly is this saying millions of Muslims are guilty because they are Muslim?

All gun owners are suspect when one nut uses one to kill people so...

 

[werepossum]

Step 1: Be a moron.
Step 2: Seek fame.
Step 3: Do stupid stuff.
Step 4: Claim to do something on behalf of something else that is famous.
Step 5: Right-wingers shit the bed just a little bit harder before hiding in their closets because of the Mooselman threat.

Yes, we cowardly conservatives who want to fight radical Islam should certainly take a lesson from proggies who want to bravely appease them.

You think narrowing it to religion is narrowing a wide net? Wow! That's just Michael1980 stupid! Congrats dumbass, your net just caught 1+ billion Muslims!

Hopefully, the net would be controlled by people smarter than you - actually, that's pretty much a fundamental statistical requirement of reality unless it involves wearing straitjackets or feeding tubes - who can hold more than one thought in their minds. Perhaps two or three or even <gasp> four criteria!

 

[nickqt]

Yes, we cowardly conservatives who want to fight radical Islam should certainly take a lesson from proggies who want to bravely appease them.


Hopefully, the net would be controlled by people smarter than you - actually, that's pretty much a fundamental statistical requirement of reality unless it involves wearing straitjackets or feeding tubes - who can hold more than one thought in their minds. Perhaps two or three or even <gasp> four criteria!

By appease, you mean not round them up, make them register with a federal database, and not make them wear a crescent moon and star arm band?

The big bad Mooselman menace is comin' to get ya!

Hurry! Run! Hide! Shit the bed!

Conservatives: protecting 'Murrica from big bad boogiemens!

Us "proggies" don't feel the need to otherize 1.3 Billion people because we're not cowards.

So, congrats on that, I guess! Hurrah!

Also: microaggressions.