So if you try to kill a cop in the name of Islam....it is not influenced by Islam

[werepossum]

People who understand what it means to be a real American aren't very common anymore.

Kinda funny how the only people who "understand what it means to be a real American" are the same people who want to "fundamentally transform America".

I don't even know what you're talking about. You can offend anyone you want. I have no power to stop you or anyone else here from doing so except to be inclined to express a differing opinion. Drop the victim complex and get over it.

The heart of my opinion on this issue is that your opinions are just bullshit. Rant after rant after rant about how all Muslims are evil, and they're all the same, and they're all forced by -- insert cherrypicked passage from Quran here -- to kill every non-Muslim, and blah blah blah blah blah. When the reality is that Muslims are just as diverse in the interpretation of their faith as Christians are. And to put that in perspective, the Christian church I attend supports -- and performs -- same-sex marriages.
Oh yeah, and the Christian church that I grew up in (but am no longer actively involved with), buckshot24 regularly rants here that it isn't even Christian, but some 'church of the devil.'
Why do you think that they're united when we aren't?

Perhaps you could link to a few of my rants where I talk about "how all Muslims are evil, and they're all the same, and they're all forced by -- insert cherrypicked passage from Quran here -- to kill every non-Muslim". Should be a trivial task since there are apparently legions of them.

 

[Captain Picard]

All those people harmed in those incidents were harmed for made up reasons exactly as you are making up reasons to justify your hatred of them. The only difference between you and them is that they acted on them. Would you like to do the same? Every monster of the ego thinks of himself or herself as good. The only difference is the lies they use to convince themselves.

So because those muslims have "made up" reasons for doing what they did, anyone who finds their actions repugnant have equally "made up (invalid)" reasons for their feelings?


The world doesn't work like that Mooney. If someone does something despicable, the fact that the justification behind that act is BS doesn't invalidate the righteous disgust, indignation, or hatred of anyone else.

Deal with it.

 

[buckshot24]

I completely recognize that terrorists are mostly Muslims, and that abortion clinic bombers are mostly fundamentalist Christians.
So then what is the discussion about here? Just a circle jerk?

Anybody who claims to be a Christian and kills abortion doctors is doing so in direct contradiction to the teachings of Jesus. Anybody who kills a non-Muslim does so with plausible approval of Mohammed's life and their Kuran.

 

[buckshot24]

So because those muslims have "made up" reasons for doing what they did, anyone who finds their actions repugnant have equally "made up (invalid)" reasons for their feelings?


The world doesn't work like that Mooney. If someone does something despicable, the fact that the justification behind that act is BS doesn't invalidate the righteous disgust, indignation, or hatred of anyone else.

Deal with it.

The Koran is pretty clear. Not sure how he doesn't realize that.

 

[Captain Picard]

The Koran is pretty clear. Not sure how he doesn't realize that.

I'm also not sure how he and several other posters on here don't realize that. Somehow the commandments in the koran aren't "true" islam, according to them. In Mooney's vernacular, those commandments are "made up stuff".

 

[Moonbeam]

Captain Picard: So because those muslims have "made up" reasons for doing what they did, anyone who finds their actions repugnant have equally "made up (invalid)" reasons for their feelings?

M: Not a all. The world doesn't work that way. People come in an infinite range of good sand evils. We are talking about the features that set then apart. We have created a nation of laws to deal with that. Those laws are designed to deal with crime on a rational non emotional basis. We try to rationally communally determine the extent of the crime objectively and supply the proper remedy for preventing it from happening again according to the best we can do with rational risk assessment. We go very far out of our way to protect the innocent, at least in theory. What we do is try to convict criminals for the crimes they actually do create bigotry for whatever association they have.

CP: The world doesn't work like that Mooney.

M: It won't when there are too many bigots like you who can't separate the feeling there is a real good which is true, from your immature opinion of what the real good is. Sadly, you are an undeveloped and unsophisticated, and let me add, un-American, bigot You don't deserve this country and you badly let it down.

CP: If someone does something despicable, the fact that the justification behind that act is BS doesn't invalidate the righteous disgust, indignation, or hatred of anyone else.

Of course it does. Look at yourself, You are certain you are right, so sure you will act on it. Your blind like every other bigot, a complete prisoner of your bigotry. You are no more at fault for your ignorant sad condition than any other kind of bigot on earth. It's righteous disgust, indignation and hatred that power bigotry. Knowledge and understanding set you free. There is no revenge or retribution we can inflict that will ever wash away a single ounce of what we have suffered. The only way to freedom is to die on the cross. You just have never suffered enough pain to bring you to that realization. Our job is to separate evil people from the general population so they can do no more harm. To do more than this is just more evil and to add more immature emotional destruction to the rest of the human race, already buried in it.

CP: Deal with it.

M: You poor blind fool.

 

[Moonbeam]

I'm also not sure how he and several other posters on here don't realize that. Somehow the commandments in the koran aren't "true" islam, according to them. In Mooney's vernacular, those commandments are "made up stuff".

I am not an apologist for Islam nor do I know much about it. But even a simple search on the web brought me to this:

http://www.juancole.com/2013/04/islamic-forbids-terrorism.html

Reading it, and not agreeing with all the crap about how others do it too as any sort of justification for anything, I see enough there to reaffirm that I know very little and would be a fool to have a strong opinion. You and buckshot, however, strike me as just such know it all fools.

 

[realibrad]

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The heart of my opinion on this issue is that your opinions are just bullshit. Rant after rant after rant about how all Muslims are evil, and they're all the same, and they're all forced by -- insert cherrypicked passage from Quran here -- to kill every non-Muslim, and blah blah blah blah blah. When the reality is that Muslims are just as diverse in the interpretation of their faith as Christians are. And to put that in perspective, the Christian church I attend supports -- and performs -- same-sex marriages.
Oh yeah, and the Christian church that I grew up in (but am no longer actively involved with), buckshot24 regularly rants here that it isn't even Christian, but some 'church of the devil.'
Why do you think that they're united when we aren't?

I have not see him make that argument, but maybe I missed it. What I did see was what I have been point out. Islam does not leave as much room for interpretation because of how the religion is set up, and how the culture is built around it.

If you leave Christianity then fine. People will likely dislike you, some will try to get you back to the religion, others may harass you. What is very unlikely is that people will call for you to be killed. If someone ever does do that, then they at the very least cannot use the Bible to justify that murder. As you likely know, leaving Islam is punishable by death. People have tried to get away from this, but its quite clear. As the Quran is a religious text, its full of double speak, because it clearly also says "there is no compulsion in religion", but even that in context is not clear.

The point is that every person I know of cherry picks how they view their religion, because their religion says conflicting things. Picking out the parts you want is how every person uses religion. Right now, Muslims are picking out the bad parts more than Christians. If Christians or Jews wanted to, they could easily go just as far and start up on their bad parts too, but thats to be expected when they share so many things about their religion.

Make no mistake, Christian culture > Islamic culture. I don't care how anyone wants to try to make them seem equal, but they are not. Maybe that will change, but, right now its not equal.

Now, let me point something out to you that you may not realize you are doing. Ask yourself this, how many Muslims do you know? How do you know that their beliefs are just as diverse? You are using the few Muslims you have met, and casting a net over 1.6 billion people.

 

[TheSlamma]

So they actually want to get to the real source of what drove this and not just phone it it with "MUSLIM MUSLIM MUSLIM" and people are bitching again?

 

[buckshot24]

So they actually want to get to the real source of what drove this and not just phone it it with "MUSLIM MUSLIM MUSLIM" and people are bitching again?

Tell it to the perp, he's the one saying it was because he is a Muslim.