So if you try to kill a cop in the name of Islam....it is not influenced by Islam

[ivwshane]

Perhaps we would hold them to account for proper reckoning.

Uh...Because we aren't currently doing that? Who exactly do you think we've been bombing the last eight years?

 

[EduCat]

Gun violence in Chicago resides within the black community. Once Obama dries off his crocodile tears and realizes this.... maybe he can concentrate on the real cause of gun violence.

Which is what? Lack of education, opportunity, combined with extreme poverty?

Very curious. Have you heard of the Latin kings?

 

[1prophet]

For some people, it is about political correctness. For Obama, and likely for Bush as well ("religion of peace") - it's really about diplomacy. It does us no good to pose this struggle with Islamic terrorism as a war between the west and Islam. It hurts us to pose it that way. I don't understand why so many people on the right are bent out of shape that now two POTUSES in a row refuse to say it is about Islam.

Sorry but under the us constitution the government cannot appear to favor one religion over another, especially the most homophobic, misogynistic, anti-free speech state sponsored religion out there,


If this guy here can be labeled christian

If this can be called art

and this called free speech

Then Islam has to be treated equally especially by government officials, anything less is outright naked hypocrisy no matter how you try to spin it and ends up enabling right wing people like Donald Trump and making leftists look like fools.

 

[LegendKiller]

I don't care about the Muslim world. It can fall off a cliff.
What I care about is that we preserve the Constitutionally-guaranteed right to religious freedom for every American citizen.

Capisce?

Calling out radical Islam is not the same as establishing an official state religion.

If anything it would force a reformation Islam badly needs.

 

[LegendKiller]

They don't get it and they never will. Their kind has impeded progress in this country throughout our history. They aren't the first group of bigots to exist in this country and they won't be the last. My only hope is that as this country does progress and each new wave of bigots emerges their demise becomes more rapid, as in their thinking is changed/removed/shamed from society faster and faster.

Ohh no, can't come up with a rational argument? Cry bigotry!

 

[LegendKiller]

Which is what? Lack of education, opportunity, combined with extreme poverty?

Very curious. Have you heard of the Latin kings?

There was another thread that showed the correlation between race and gun homicide. Blacks were more highly correlated than Hispanics. There were some factors that weren't as highly correlated.


But sure, I will agree that economic prosperity is one reason. But liberals don't give a fuck, they are for legalizing every illegal they can find and brining in more. The same people who would compete with lower educated blacks. Liberals have found a new voting block and have tossed blacks aside, mainly because they know they can just feed them and Fish. Much better than teaching them to fish.

 

[soulcougher73]

Cant solve the problem if you wont address the problem truthfully.

 

[Jaskalas]

Uh...Because we aren't currently doing that? Who exactly do you think we've been bombing the last eight years?

Who would think that's relevant, besides a devout Bush styled Neocon? Bombs on the other side of the planet do not address extremists here among us. The Middle East could cease to exist, the problem is still here at home.

Make no mistake, we let in the September 11th hijackers. We continue to let in many more who serve but one purpose. And the Islamic community as a whole continues to harbor such extremists. It feels like there's an iron curtain of sorts between the American public and the Muslim community.

Then there are the apologists like the Mayor. If we attempt investigation, infiltration, and to break down walls... who but that PC crowd would stand in our way? They want to neuter our response and render our nation incapable of rooting out Islamic terrorism.

Rudder has it right, if a Christian committed an act of terrorism, abortion clinic, etc... they would be called Christian. And they would be condemned by everyone. The country would be united in hating that person, of condemning his ideology, and of rooting it out of the country. No safe harbor for those who do that.

That should work both ways.

 

[Blanky]

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/20...oting-it-has-nothing-to-do-with-being-muslim/

Even the the police and the suspect say it was because of Islam.

http://www.post-gazette.com/news/st...st-Philadelphia-shooting/stories/201601080216

Obama will not weigh in on the issue because I heard he missed the evening newscast. This whole situation is getting absurd.

I do t want to see people blow up abortion clinics... And people do it in the name of Chrisitianity. Calling these wackos Christian does not offend me.

Why is everyone so sensitive about people doing terroristic acts in the name of Islam. If law enforcement wants to prevent these kinds of things in the future... In regards to abortion clinic bombings police have to investigate radical Christians. We are seeing an uptick of Islamic lone wolf radicals carrying out attacks and you cannot seperate these people from their religion. It has everything to do with Islam and does not matter if you feel they are not true Muslims.

Mayor was promoting the not a true Scotsman fallacy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

 

[Blanky]

Political correctness has nothing to do with this. It's just fear mongering idiocy to blame millions of people for the crimes of one person who can be loosely correlated to them.
Serious question: when did people get this chickenshit stupid?

So much fail in your post, and I know you know better than this.

First, you strawman going on about millions of muslims (nobody else said millions and/or all muslims in the US want to do this sort of thing). Second, you then call people chickenshit stupid for falling victim to the same thing you say isn't happening in your first sentence; the man is a muslim, he said he attacked in the name of islam. But you know better than he does about his own religion.

Less people are taking this kind of stupidity seriously. Polls are showing more people in the West are waking up, supporting more right leaning politicians and starting to push back on what is an anachronistic religion highly correlated with barbarism the world over. But keep pretending it has nothing to with islam. Frankly, you'll be increasingly ignored because less people are taking this view seriously.

#notarealmuslim

 

[EduCat]

There was another thread that showed the correlation between race and gun homicide. Blacks were more highly correlated than Hispanics. There were some factors that weren't as highly correlated.


But sure, I will agree that economic prosperity is one reason. But liberals don't give a fuck, they are for legalizing every illegal they can find and brining in more. The same people who would compete with lower educated blacks. Liberals have found a new voting block and have tossed blacks aside, mainly because they know they can just feed them and Fish. Much better than teaching them to fish.

The only people I know that absolutely loved illegal labor were my last boss and his family, stout conservatives. His dad was the same way, real pieces of shit if you ask me. Treated people like dirt.

 

[ivwshane]

Ohh no, can't come up with a rational argument? Cry bigotry!

I'm not arguing against a rational argument nor am I dealing with rational people.

 

[MongGrel]

I'm not arguing against a rational argument nor am I dealing with rational people.

+1

 

[ivwshane]

Who would think that's relevant, besides a devout Bush styled Neocon? Bombs on the other side of the planet do not address extremists here among us. The Middle East could cease to exist, the problem is still here at home.

Make no mistake, we let in the September 11th hijackers. We continue to let in many more who serve but one purpose. And the Islamic community as a whole continues to harbor such extremists. It feels like there's an iron curtain of sorts between the American public and the Muslim community.

Then there are the apologists like the Mayor. If we attempt investigation, infiltration, and to break down walls... who but that PC crowd would stand in our way? They want to neuter our response and render our nation incapable of rooting out Islamic terrorism.

Rudder has it right, if a Christian committed an act of terrorism, abortion clinic, etc... they would be called Christian. And they would be condemned by everyone. The country would be united in hating that person, of condemning his ideology, and of rooting it out of the country. No safe harbor for those who do that.

That should work both ways.

They would be called Christians? No, they would be called mentally disturbed white males. Curiously, I haven't seen anyone mention this guy's mental problems yet in this thread. I guess the voices he was hearing was indeed Allah's whereas when a mentally disturbed white male hears God, he's just crazy (or a preacher, a vice president, a president).

 

[LegendKiller]

The only people I know that absolutely loved illegal labor were my last boss and his family, stout conservatives. His dad was the same way, real pieces of shit if you ask me. Treated people like dirt.

Ohh, "conservatives" love them also. Cheap labor for more profits. It is the remaining people who are screwed.

 

[LegendKiller]

I'm not arguing against a rational argument nor am I dealing with rational people.

Yeah, because a Muslim who pledged to ISIS shooting a cop, because the cop upholds laws contrary to Islam, with a stolen cop gun, is not a Muslim according to the mayor who is now calling for more gun control. That is what you consider logical.

This from the same city where amtrak trains were attacked by black males and they denied it. This is the same attitude that pervades other Democrat held big cities. It is all the white devils fault. Don't blame the cultures, blame white people and guns for their failure at just handing out free shit.

 

[Vic]

So much fail in your post, and I know you know better than this.

First, you strawman going on about millions of muslims (nobody else said millions and/or all muslims in the US want to do this sort of thing). Second, you then call people chickenshit stupid for falling victim to the same thing you say isn't happening in your first sentence; the man is a muslim, he said he attacked in the name of islam. But you know better than he does about his own religion.

Less people are taking this kind of stupidity seriously. Polls are showing more people in the West are waking up, supporting more right leaning politicians and starting to push back on what is an anachronistic religion highly correlated with barbarism the world over. But keep pretending it has nothing to with islam. Frankly, you'll be increasingly ignored because less people are taking this view seriously.

#notarealmuslim

Well you must be right if the angry mob fed on media lies agrees with you!

 

[Vic]

Calling out radical Islam is not the same as establishing an official state religion.

If anything it would force a reformation Islam badly needs.

You're not 'calling out radical Islam.' What a joke.
As your 2nd sentence clearly shows, your entire agenda is to opportunistically use radical Islam as a means to oppress all Muslims, including those who are law-abiding citizens with no connections to terrorism whatsoever. You're trying to stir up public opinion into using the government to force them away from their own faith.

 

[Vic]

There was another thread that showed the correlation between race and gun homicide. Blacks were more highly correlated than Hispanics. There were some factors that weren't as highly correlated.


But sure, I will agree that economic prosperity is one reason. But liberals don't give a fuck, they are for legalizing every illegal they can find and brining in more. The same people who would compete with lower educated blacks. Liberals have found a new voting block and have tossed blacks aside, mainly because they know they can just feed them and Fish. Much better than teaching them to fish.

Yeah, no straw men there.

I'm sure most Muslims would happily vote conservative and Republican if Republicans weren't actively attacking their inherent right to religious freedom.
Similar arguments can be made for blacks and hispanics.
Stop and think about your rhetoric for a moment. Do gays vote Democratic so that they can line up at some welfare gravy train, or because liberals recognize that gays have basic civil rights too?
Do you really believe that the Democrats need to promise "free stuff" to get votes from the people that the Republicans openly seek to oppress?

 

[Vic]

I'm not arguing against a rational argument nor am I dealing with rational people.

Isn't that a fact!

 

[Vic]

Yeah, because a Muslim who pledged to ISIS shooting a cop, because the cop upholds laws contrary to Islam, with a stolen cop gun, is not a Muslim according to the mayor who is now calling for more gun control. That is what you consider logical.

This from the same city where amtrak trains were attacked by black males and they denied it. This is the same attitude that pervades other Democrat held big cities. It is all the white devils fault. Don't blame the cultures, blame white people and guns for their failure at just handing out free shit.

I blame the individuals who actually committed the crimes, and insist that they be held accountable.
I do not blame their race, ethnicity, religion, or any other tenuous affiliation because I would never want to blamed for a crime that I didn't commit. Which, ironically, is exactly what you're complaining about with your "white devils" comment. That you're being blamed for things you didn't do, while you go around blaming other people for things they didn't do.
BTW, all of the major cities in the US, except Indianapolis, are governed by Democrat majorities. All of them.

 

[Moonbeam]

Isn't that a fact!

It's only a fact if it's not a fact for you. This is a fact, however, that is completely invisible to irrational people. This blindness is a catch 22. This is a blindness that is undetectable to the blind. This makes the situation hopeless as far as helping the blind. People do occasionally awaken from this sleep however, and that what interests me. Perhaps long dialogues with rational people helps. One can hope. But blindness is a misery and it's such a shame. Even those who can see can't ever really really really be happy. There will always intrude the knowledge even in while a better place that others are far behind and live in darkness.

 

[Vic]

Rudder has it right, if a Christian committed an act of terrorism, abortion clinic, etc... they would be called Christian. And they would be condemned by everyone. The country would be united in hating that person, of condemning his ideology, and of rooting it out of the country. No safe harbor for those who do that.

That should work both ways.

No safe harbor for those who do what? Happen to go to the same church as a criminal whackjob?

 

[Blanky]

Well you must be right if the angry mob fed on media lies agrees with you!

You're making the same arguments in this thread that roundly mocked lunatics do in others. I know you can't see that, that you never came into this thread intending to change your view on anything, so carry on. But this is what happens when somebody digs their heels in on the wrong side of an issue. They post like you are in this thread.

 

[kage69]

For some people, it is about political correctness.

...or political agenda. Look at FOX Noise in regard to the Charleston church shooting. The scumbag actually said he went there looking to kill black people. Of course to the mental giants at FOX, this clearly means the real victim here was poor victimized christianity, that religion was the target. Nevermind what the shooter says! Nevermind that Confederate flag he's holding up folks! Sounds a bit like the OP.

Black Lives Matters has been vilified for months on Fox, usually in conjunction with their 'war on cops.' Yet the BLM movement isn't responsible for a single officer death, but you would think otherwise given the volume of 'reporting' they've devoted to it. Compare that with their take and coverage on the PP shooter, who actually did kill a policeman (and a veteran).

So fucking weak.