so i was reading the bible...

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3chordcharlie

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Originally posted by: chess9
If 1 billion people believe X is true then the probability of X being true approaches zero.

Hahaha like in the book where humans communicate with an Alien race by demonstrating Euclidean geometry, and the justification is 'since it's wrong, I couldn't imagine that they hadn't thought of it too!!'
 

JackStorm

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Originally posted by: Painman
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
What if there were a generally unknown state of mental health equivalent to being in heaven that people had in the Garden of Eden before they ate of the tree of knowledge, or rather before they became separated from that heavenly state of self unity through the invention of language which made possible the concept of good and evil which in turn made it possible to put children down and make them hate themselves and divide against themselves loosing that state of unity; and further the few people here and there who somehow managed through good luck or personal effort overcame those feelings and discovered that state of health, being as how they would easily be able to recognize each other banded together to study how best to awaken the rest of hell dwelling humanity, and concluded that a succession of three waves of Monotheism would provide the evolutionary spiritual advancement necessary to raise people up in sufficient numbers to maintain a teachable number to man a hidden inner school of teaching that could guide and keep humanity alive. In such a case religion wouldn't be superstition about nothing, but misinformation about a hidden advanced science, a science so advanced as to be known to almost nobody. In such a case one could be tempted to say that religion is a placebo which brings some not illusions, but a real cure. What if religion is a blueprint and analogy of something happening at a higher dimension the sincere practice of which allows an occasional transformation of the mind. Such a scenario might be quite possible if there is actually nothing wrong with people but a feeling there is. All that would be necessary is to somehow loose that feeling.

But then again, who would ever imagine there could be something wrong with them. That would simply be impossible. Surely you would feel it if it were true, right?

In your own arcane and verbose way, you are aweseome.

Moonie has an interesting way of looking at things. I'll give you that. Much of what he says could cause people too (If they don't already do so) reflect upon their own state of being and those around them.

heh, Moonie is like a modern day elder passing along his wisdom to the younger (and in some cases older) generation :p
 

3chordcharlie

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Originally posted by: JackStorm
Much of what he says could cause people too (If they don't already do so) reflect upon their own state of being and those around them.

This sounds dangerous. We'd better burn him ;)
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: PatboyX
always interested in religion (and being told a number of time that 1. the bible says homosexuality is wrong and 2. the bible never states that it is), i opened my bible to research it myself.

levitius 20:13 (OSB) says "If man has intercourse with a man as with a woman, both commit an abomination. They must be put to death; their blood be on their own heads!"

so...that settles my first question. is it there? anyone have any other translations?
my other question is one of context.
a lot of these sexual crimes are punishable by death (including adultery. sleeping with a woman while on her period is simply a question of alienation/exile). some of these laws and standards are not considered material on which to conduct rational business in our world. why does the homosexual aspect seem to remain legit?

Wow, OK, an interpetation of supposedly educated intelligent individuals Centuries later that is Barbaric as Barbaric an be. No different than the other side interpeting the Quran as kill anyone that doesn't follow the Quran.

Death to all Gays both Men and women.

Well at least just like the Holy or Jihad Wars against each other, it would be a further reduction in population count, we're our own best Darwin when it comes to population control. WTG :thumbsup:
 

imported_tss4

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Originally posted by: PatboyX
always interested in religion (and being told a number of time that 1. the bible says homosexuality is wrong and 2. the bible never states that it is), i opened my bible to research it myself.

levitius 20:13 (OSB) says "If man has intercourse with a man as with a woman, both commit an abomination. They must be put to death; their blood be on their own heads!"

so...that settles my first question. is it there? anyone have any other translations?
my other question is one of context.
a lot of these sexual crimes are punishable by death (including adultery. sleeping with a woman while on her period is simply a question of alienation/exile). some of these laws and standards are not considered material on which to conduct rational business in our world. why does the homosexual aspect seem to remain legit?

Well, you clearly have a passage indicating that gays were killed in biblical times. Yet, I see nothing ruling out lesbians here.
 

3chordcharlie

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Originally posted by: tss4
Well, you clearly have a passage indicating that gays were killed in biblical times. Yet, I see nothing ruling out lesbians here.

Well it's probably just assumed since women are pretty much owned by, and subservient to, their husbands. What further need would there be to regulate women's activities?
 

AEB

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The Old Testament is to inform christians of the Laws and the way life was before Jesus. Also often times the NT points to OT versus that predict Jesus's coming. That said, any kind of pre-marital sex is wrong in God's eyes (Eph 5:5 for one) so gay sex (men women whatever) would fall under this. I'm also fairly certain the Bible defines marrige as between one man and one woman but i am too lazy to look it up.

But just to re-iterate the OT is not how Jesus wants us to live, becuase he died for our sins on the cross we are now bound under the new covenant to follow his laws and teachings.

With all that said i dont see how this is P&N. I've found that no one will budge on religion...
 

Shad0hawK

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Leviticus? You mean these guys? Some serious rock'n goin' on. :D

Seriously though, isn't most of what's contained in Leviticus considered the extreme fringe of Christianity. Nobody follows the stuff in there, do they?

orthodox jews.
 

3chordcharlie

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Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Leviticus? You mean these guys? Some serious rock'n goin' on. :D

Seriously though, isn't most of what's contained in Leviticus considered the extreme fringe of Christianity. Nobody follows the stuff in there, do they?

orthodox jews.

But in Judaism, most of the rules only apply to Jews; they feel no need to impose those rules on outsiders. IIRC gentiles are more or less supposed to follow the ten commandments, and live 'good' lives. Being Jewish is considered a combination privilege and burden.
 

chess9

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3chordcharlie:

Yes, except one might hope the Aliens would know it was wrong. :)

But, I doubt it. One can be stupid at so many levels....

-Robert
 

3chordcharlie

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Originally posted by: chess9
3chordcharlie:

Yes, except one might hope the Aliens would know it was wrong. :)

But, I doubt it. One can be stupid at so many levels....

-Robert

That was built-in to the assumption: that it was so simple and obvious, despite being wrong, that the aliens would have thought of it too, and would have knowledge of it (including, probably, the knowledge that it was wrong).
 

Vadatajs

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What about Acts, where Phillip baptizes the eunuch? Eunuchs were sexual outcasts in biblical times, much like homosexuals are today. Once again, bible thumpers concentrate on old testament dogma instead of Jesus' actual teachings.
 

The Green Bean

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Originally posted by: Vadatajs
What about Acts, where Phillip baptizes the eunuch? Eunuchs were sexual outcasts in biblical times, much like homosexuals are today. Once again, bible thumpers concentrate on old testament dogma instead of Jesus' actual teachings.

eunuchs: Its actually not thier fault.
 

Vadatajs

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Originally posted by: hatim
Originally posted by: Vadatajs
What about Acts, where Phillip baptizes the eunuch? Eunuchs were sexual outcasts in biblical times, much like homosexuals are today. Once again, bible thumpers concentrate on old testament dogma instead of Jesus' actual teachings.

eunuchs: Its actually not thier fault.


Same with homosexuals
 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: chess9
If 1 billion people believe X is true then the probability of X being true approaches zero.

-Robert
Yes, but so far I've only persuaded Painman.
 
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Originally posted by: Vadatajs
Originally posted by: hatim
Originally posted by: Vadatajs
What about Acts, where Phillip baptizes the eunuch? Eunuchs were sexual outcasts in biblical times, much like homosexuals are today. Once again, bible thumpers concentrate on old testament dogma instead of Jesus' actual teachings.

eunuchs: Its actually not thier fault.


Same with homosexuals

Hatim would disagree with you and would like to throw the homosexuals off of a cliff.
 

Todd33

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BTW number of Muslems >> Christians. Therefore Islam > Christianity!
 

CanOWorms

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Originally posted by: Todd33
BTW number of Muslems >> Christians. Therefore Islam > Christianity!

Link? I've always read the opposite. I think the future will look like that though.
 

The Green Bean

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Originally posted by: Vadatajs
Originally posted by: hatim
Originally posted by: Vadatajs
What about Acts, where Phillip baptizes the eunuch? Eunuchs were sexual outcasts in biblical times, much like homosexuals are today. Once again, bible thumpers concentrate on old testament dogma instead of Jesus' actual teachings.

eunuchs: Its actually not thier fault.


Same with homosexuals

it is...no one is born homo
 

Vadatajs

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Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: Vadatajs
Originally posted by: hatim
Originally posted by: Vadatajs
What about Acts, where Phillip baptizes the eunuch? Eunuchs were sexual outcasts in biblical times, much like homosexuals are today. Once again, bible thumpers concentrate on old testament dogma instead of Jesus' actual teachings.

eunuchs: Its actually not thier fault.


Same with homosexuals

Hatim would disagree with you and would like to throw the homosexuals off of a cliff.

I'm quite sure Hatim doesn't personally know any homosexuals.
 

The Green Bean

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Originally posted by: Vadatajs
Originally posted by: hatim
Originally posted by: Vadatajs
What about Acts, where Phillip baptizes the eunuch? Eunuchs were sexual outcasts in biblical times, much like homosexuals are today. Once again, bible thumpers concentrate on old testament dogma instead of Jesus' actual teachings.

eunuchs: Its actually not thier fault.


Same with homosexuals

it is...no one is born homo